Test E w/ Deca or Dbol?

[wolf 1]

I am 26yrs old 225lbs 6'2" with 8%bf and this will be my fourth cycle. I have previously ran three test e cycles at 600mg a week for 12 weeks with nolvadex for pct. Side effects being only bacne.

I am looking to add more mass with my third cycle; preferably a leaner mass. I have been debating between deca and dbol. Would like to hear from experienced people.


My first choice
500mg test e wk 1-12
200mg deca wk 1-10
40 40 20 20 nolvadex wk 14-18

My second choice would be
500mg test e wk 1-12
25mg of DBol wk 1-6
40 40 20 20 nolvadex wk 14-18

Thanks for your time.
Experienced help only.

[jimmyinkedup]

I like the first one but i like it more like this:
500mg test e wk1-14
400mg deca wk 1-12
.25 - .5adex eod
nolva 40/20/20/20/20 clomid 70/35/35/35 wk14-19

[Sworder]

40mg-60mg Dbol would be my preference. Deca takes too long to kick and at that dose it isn't really worth it, even if frontloading.

[MuscleInk]

If you are looking for leaner gains why not go with test E & primo? I realize primo wasn't one of the compounds you mentioned but the gains with dbol or deca wouldn't be as dry as those with primo.

[harley121]

Is the goal to kickstart the cycle or be easier on your liver? I am assuming kickstart the cycle
Sworder- would either of those goals change your recommendation?

[Sworder]

Just personal preference, I like keeping cycles shorter so I can do more. The dbol/Test E @ 12 weeks should elicit about the same gains as Deca/Test @ 14 weeks. Also, deca can be a little harsher on the recovery.

Many roads lead to Rome! Jimmy's suggestion was great.

Remember hCG @ 250iu x2 week too!

[harley121]

Makes sense. Just learning here

[wolf 1]

Thanks for the recommendation sworder. How much bloating or water retention can I expect? I will have a clean diet while cycling and rumor has it most your gains kick started with Dbol disappear after usage. Any truth to that?

Thanks again

[stpete]

Just personal preference, I like keeping cycles shorter so I can do more. The dbol/Test E @ 12 weeks should elicit about the same gains as Deca/Test @ 14 weeks. Also, deca can be a little harsher on the recovery.

Many roads lead to Rome! Jimmy's suggestion was great.

Remember hCG @ 250iu x2 week too!

Hold on. Sworder, you're saying that the test/dbol will be just as good as the test/deca?

And what do you mean by "keeping your cycles shorter so i can do more"?

[Sworder]

Dianabol bloats you a lot and the bloat disappears. But the muscle you gained stays. Muscle gains with bloat or muscle gains without bloat doesn't matter to me. Some people are very picky I am not. I am a letro fiend though that helps a lot with the bloat.

@Pete
Yes, look at the ester he is using, had it been NPP then I would have said go with NPP instead of deca. Deca for 12 weeks @ 400mg or 6 weeks 60 mg Dianabol. I would prefer the dianabol, deca doesn't give that good gains IMO! Especially under 500mg/week without a frontload. I like dianabol more, like I said though. Many roads lead to Rome. If you prefer the deca state so!

Shorter cycles so you can do more/year.

[wolf 1]

How does this stack look? Would there be noticeable different gains by stacking all 3 vs 2. Is the risk of bad effects that much greater by doing this?

500mg test e wk 1-12
400mg deca wk 1-10
25mg dbol wk 1-6
40 40 20 20 nolvadex wk 14-18
.5adex eod

Thanks for the responses

[Sworder]

nolva 40/20/20/20/ clomid 70/35/35/35 wk14-19

Jimmy's PCT looks stronger! You can do Nolva 40mg first 2 weeks too doesn't hurt..

Yes, that looks better. I would up the Dianabol though, 40mg. Maybe a lot of gear though for you maybe drop the dbol to 5 weeks that's about when the Test/Deca(<- hopefully) kicks. What did you run last time?

[stpete]

Dianabol bloats you a lot and the bloat disappears. But the muscle you gained stays. Muscle gains with bloat or muscle gains without bloat doesn't matter to me. Some people are very picky I am not. I am a letro fiend though that helps a lot with the bloat.

@Pete
Yes, look at the ester he is using, had it been NPP then I would have said go with NPP instead of deca. Deca for 12 weeks @ 400mg or 6 weeks 60 mg Dianabol. I would prefer the dianabol, deca doesn't give that good gains IMO! Especially under 500mg/week without a frontload. I like dianabol more, like I said though. Many roads lead to Rome. If you prefer the deca state so!

Shorter cycles so you can do more/year.

I see what you're getting at and that's fine. Personal preference.

I rarely call someone on something, but i have to say that your deca has been bunk, my friend. There's no way on earth your d-bol held to a good deca cycle!

D-Bols back pumps and half life makes it undesirable. I like it, but i prefer something easier and more productive.

[warmouth]

I see what you're getting at and that's fine. Personal preference.

I rarely call someone on something, but i have to say that your deca has been bunk, my friend. There's no way on earth your d-bol held to a good deca cycle!

D-Bols back pumps and half life makes it undesirable. I like it, but i prefer something easier and more productive.

What is a good deca cycle in your opinion? Mgs and duration.

[Sworder]

I see what you're getting at and that's fine. Personal preference.
I rarely call someone on something, but i have to say that your deca has been bunk, my friend. There's no way on earth your d-bol held to a good deca cycle!
D-Bols back pumps and half life makes it undesirable. I like it, but i prefer something easier and more productive.

4 hour hl is a pain, BUT very nice to get you pumped pre-workout along with a stimulant. Provides a nice peak IMO! To get full benefit of dbol you have to take one before bed and also one midnight, i take a midnight shake so it doesn't matter I am up anyway.

[Lunk1]

4 hour hl is a pain, BUT very nice to get you pumped pre-workout along with a stimulant. Provides a nice peak IMO! To get full benefit of dbol you have to take one before bed and also one midnight, i take a midnight shake so it doesn't matter I am up anyway.

I gotta say...only tryed dbol once at 50mg for 4 weeks and had no back pumps at all and did not experience any "pre-workout pumps" that is when I took the whole 50.

[Sworder]

Some like dbol, some don't

[marcus300]

I like the first one but i like it more like this:
500mg test e wk1-14
400mg deca wk 1-12
.25 - .5adex eod
nolva 40/20/20/20/20 clomid 70/35/35/35 wk14-19

There's your answer, deca would be far better than the dbol imho .

[rage-lifter26]

Curious on what you decided on? Because this was one of the thoughts on my mind for my next cycle!