ok thank you, also, i could get my hands on some liquid deca, and i think its nandro. I am 28, i have had reconstructed knee surgery, back in 2006, it got strong then its getting weak again, basically im thinking of doing a full test e cycle, but i was thinking of implementing a very minimal amount of deca in there with it, to help improve my joints and ligaments(properly training not overtraining my knee) if i took a 5 week cycle of deca and stretched it to ten weeks, along with the normal 10 week cycle of test e, would this be beneficial? Also should i use clomid coming down and what else should i use to do this all properly? I want minimal side effects i read about and would like to be ready to combat it if necessary. 28 m, years of proper training and dieting knowledge. 180 lbs 5 ft 11 Any help and knowledge would be great. I will post one other place thanks! All advice appreciated