Here we go... Critique please

[ruhkus]

Alright, after reading for about AS on/off for years and playing with the idea. I am just about ready to place my order. Before I do I want to get some final opinions. Chances are I have messed this up, it is a confusing topic.

Stats

Age:33
Weight: 224
Bf% 13
Lifting for 13 years

Goal: body recomp.....lean dry gains. Want to look photo shoot ready at the end of this.

Diet: completely in check and methodical. Everything weighed measured and accounted for. Planning to cycle with 10-15% surplus on lifting days and maintenance on off days. I know a lot about nutrition, but complete noob with anabolics

12 week cycle

Week 1-12 test c 200 twice a week (mon & fri)
Week 1-12 Tren ace 75 twice a week (mon & fri)
Week 1-12 Mast 100 twice a week (mon & fri)
Week 1-12 Winny 50 ed oral
Week 1-12 Forma Stanzol (not sure if this is necessary but I have read good things)

* with oral Winny I'll take something for liver protection

PCT

The usual Nolva and clomid, was also thinking about running MK-2866 to try and hold gains and stay lean while my body readjusts.

Please critique, it is appreciated.

[red_hulk]

This is way too much for a first cycle dude, you should try just running a basic 12 week cycle of test and building on from there. Are you going to run an ai? How are you planning on doing the pct protocol, just to make sure you have that planned properly as well.

[austinite]

Easy, Tiger

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...cles-Look-here

[red_hulk]

Easy, Tiger

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...cles-Look-here

Definitely take a look at this and some other threads, I'd post some but it's a pain in the ass to do from your phone lol

[ruhkus]

Haha.....I was 90% sure this was going to be the response. Yes I have read those links a bunch times and heard over and over to just run test on your first cycle and keep it simple. I appreciate people looking out, but I guess foolishly or boldly that I am more mature than many beginners. Truth is I plan to do 1 cycle only (long story), then let my body set wherever my natural test levels tell it to set after. (I know you have heard this story before too... At least one person is rolling their eyes, saying yeah right, 1 cycle only)....

But I will take this advice to heart and re read everything again. Tren just seems like such a beautiful thing for recomp. I really don't want to bulk....

[ruhkus]

But hypothetically if I was to follow my original plan...basically the same as the stickies

Wk 1-10 Testosterone Cypionate = 200mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-10 Arimidex .25mg eod – monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1- 12.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection .

Is there anything I could also take to make sure this was a recomp.... Lean dry gains.....

[red_hulk]

It seems like there are so many people who come for what they want to hear and not actual advice. I don't mean any disrespect, I know you're a grown man and can make your own decisions, but you really SHOULD take this into consideration. Running all that at the same time in general, never mind first cycle, looks like a train wreck. And again, are you planning on running an ai? Or just looking to take the sides head on?

[red_hulk]

But hypothetically if I was to follow my original plan...basically the same as the stickies

Wk 1-10 Testosterone Cypionate = 200mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-10 Arimidex .25mg eod - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1- 12.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection .

Is there anything I could also take to make sure this was a recomp.... Lean dry gains.....

Your hypothetical cycle looks much better man haha I would suggest running that. You could still run it for 12 weeks, even more if you want and you'll see great gains and results.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

You have solid stats for not running any cycles. You should benefit greatly off Test alone.

There's no need for all those compounds. How will you know what to adjust if you start seeing sides? Running all those compounds you will not be able to isolate which one is causing the problems.

[ruhkus]

You know what....I'm gonna listen, no one is hear to try and steer me wrong. I'll go back and look at putting together a beginner cycle. One question would Winny fit into a good beginner cycle, I see anavar but that seems to be hard to find at a decent price. Thanks for responsding and working with me as I get through my stubbornness. I'll figure out what I can source and post a new plan.

[ruhkus]

Alright new plan....

Wk 1-15 Test Cypionate = 250mcg twice/wk mon/fri
Wk 1-15 Ameridex .25mg eod – monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1- 17 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection
Wk 1-15 Winny 50ed

PCT
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

My questions are (assuming the above is a move appropriate first cycle)

1.) I'll have Ameridex to run .5mg are there pros or cons to doing that?
2.) Anything I can do do stay lean and dry is possible during the cycle?
3.) Coming off I'll have 6-8 weeks to look photo ready....any tips coming off to drop water weight and maybe body fat if needed while holding on muscle.... Basically looking for a contest type prep coming off the cycle while maintaining as much of my gains as I can....any links?
2.)