UGL and PIP problems

[XxAndreaxX]

hi everyone.
My first cycle was an oral one, the typical h-drol cycle.
I hated the water-retention effect, so I made a susta-tren-proviron cycle.
I fell in love with that combination, extreme definition, no sides but... a hell of time with the injections.
I started with low doses of tren, sustanon, have never been a problem, even 1ml. but tren made me suffer like a bitch, it started with swelling in the injections sites, then red marks all around the spot, then a crazy itchy allergy all over my body that I controlled with antistaminics, and finally bulbs in the injections points. I never could inject more than 0,5ml, so I was forced to ED injections.
the tren I used, was optimum pharma bunk, it was extremely underdosed, because the only sides I had, were PIP related.
Now I was planning my next cycle, I bought a Prochem tren (test vial), because I read in fórums that its much milder in PIPs, but no, the PIP is not that bad like Optimum pharma, but I wanted to double the dose, and that way Its almost impossible. Now I'm a Little bit scared, I don't trust UGL anymore, I mean, how can I trust a lab, that can't even write trenbolone correctly??? (they write trenbelone instead)
I need some near-pharma grade tren, maybe balkan's Parabolan or alpapharmas parabolin do the job...
or do you think i'll get the same PIP experience with that??
thanks

[snowman]

First , from what im reading this is your second cycle right? If so, you should not be using tren at all bro.... tren is for people with a lot of cycles under their belt.
What king of tren are you using? Tren A or E ?
Are you mixing your tren and test in the same syringe? that should help a little. Prochem is actually a good lab , i would not go with balkan at this point, cause there is a lot of fakes around already, and same is starting with alpha.
I think you will always get a little pip from tren... for me, when i used to use Tren, i knew from the first injection if it was good or not, i would get tren cough for about 5 min after the injection ....

As for the spelling... trenbelone could be in portuguese, instead of trenbolone :-)

[XxAndreaxX]

hi, thanks for your help, I had no sides at all with tren, only some crazy dreams, and insomnia, nothing more.
I used to take 75EOD or 37,5ED, so its the normal starters dose, although I think my gear was underdosed.
Ah, my tren was Ace. I never had trencough, even after 2 vials, neither with Prochem.
I heard that trencough isn't actually a sign of good tren.
so what should I do?? buy the rest of the 4 vials of prochem tren, or try balkans parabolan and make shure to get a legit one???
Or should I change Ester, and go for Enanthate or hexa???

[jpowell]

1st, watch how you come out with things--its almost looking like your fishing around for a source.
2nd, tren as this is considered animal gear, http://www.steroid.com/Hors***********.php--in liquid form. produced by actual u.s. pharm company most likely isnt going to happen as fda has not approved for human consumption
3rd, everything your come across runs the risk of under dosed/knockoff/simly fake.
4th, spelling means nothing, many companies do this.
5th, crazy dreams and nightmares--def point to legit tren, maybe you were underdosed.
6th, tren cough is debated on both sides, legit and fake, i have even saw where ppl say its not related to the tren--so cant solely rely on this.
7th, why wod u switch from ace- to enth or tri-tren? do you even now the difference or what it means?

[songdog]

Bro you jumped into a cycle to advanced for your level.You dont judge a compound by its sides.You need to put the tren down and do some research on beginners cycles.Test only and have your diet checked out.

[XxAndreaxX]

hi, first thing, I'm not looking for a source, I already have more than one, although hints are always well accepted. I jumped so soon into tren, because I hated the results of h-drol, my idea was test-primobolan, but then I saw the Price of primo, and went directly to tren. I had no issues with tren itself, I had more sides with h-drol (high bp and no libido were the worst).
I feel I'm ready for another run, and btw, if I change tren for another UGL steroid, I'll have the same problem. Like I said, the problem is not tren, its the gear quality that meses with my cicle.
So I wanted you to help me out, finding a solution for that. first of all, triyng to understand: My PIP is caused due the acetate short ester or the por manufacture quality??
If its only for the ester, I'll jump to hexa or enanthate. thanks!

my next cycle:
1-8 500mg Susta/EW
1-8 350mg tren/EW
1-8 0,5mg cabergoline/EW
1-8 10mg Aromasin/EW
maybe some T3 if needed
PCT as always

[snowman]

I would listen to what everyone is telling you.... drop the tren.
Changing to other ester, i don't believe it will help you... If you insist of doing the tren, then keep doing tren A, If you run into to many side affects at least you know, If you stop doing tren it will leave you body sooner, then IF you were doing tren E....
I dont know, how you will know for sure, IF you got real balkan or not, unless you use it, or you really have a great trusted source that can get real balkan IF that is the case, then it does not hurt to try it.
If it was me, i would just do sust 500mg a week, but i would go 12 weeks, instead of the 8 you have planned

[XxAndreaxX]

ok, my biggest concern was that an UGL injectable could cause me some kind of infection... shouldn't be the case. how many days should I let between pins?? If I rotate between glutes and shoulders, than every 4th day, or should I leave more space, and include quads for example?

[clarky.]

Hi mate i have always used prochem it is good gear

[snowman]

ok, my biggest concern was that an UGL injectable could cause me some kind of infection... shouldn't be the case. how many days should I let between pins?? If I rotate between glutes and shoulders, than every 4th day, or should I leave more space, and include quads for example?

That is ALWAYS a concern with UGL and infections, we dont know, where they are making their product... could be in a kitchen, bathroom, who knows.... the reality is that UGL is always a risk, cause im sure they don't follow the same procedures as bayer as an example.
As for the other question, i depends how much you injecting at one time.... i do glutes... front,midle and back of shoulders ...quads, triceps... i did calves once, and could not walk for a week.... you can do subQ injections too with insulin needles...lots of choices.

[XxAndreaxX]

That is ALWAYS a concern with UGL and infections, we dont know, where they are making their product... could be in a kitchen, bathroom, who knows.... the reality is that UGL is always a risk, cause im sure they don't follow the same procedures as bayer as an example.
As for the other question, i depends how much you injecting at one time.... i do glutes... front,midle and back of shoulders ...quads, triceps... i did calves once, and could not walk for a week.... you can do subQ injections too with insulin needles...lots of choices.

hey, thats why I was thinking about some "pharma grade" UGL like balkan or alpha. Its now more than a week since my last probe tren Ace shot in my shoulder (only 0,3ml), and I've still a strange feeling. I always pinned with an insuline gauge, because of my low bf. in my glutes I shoot with the blue gauge. I'm a Little bit scared of that shoulder, because I still got that feeling and it was only 0,3ml. I feel like soreness, its not pain, but its a feeling like my shoulder is telling me, don't ever put a needle in here. the other shoulder is more or less ok. maybe its not due the tren, but due the massive pinning of my previous cycle. does anyone have an idea?