First time oral!

[>Good Luck<]

No, I didn't just get my first bj LOL

I am proposing a cycle. Looking for some advice and guidance as well as some symptoms to look for when I do start. As the title said, this will be my first time running orals, so multiple compounds. I have 2 cycles under the belt. Both test only. I have become much more comfortable pinning but not ready for ED or EOD's.

So here is the deal. I have test e on hand, and have selected tbol for the second compound. I intend to take it as follows.


Tuesday morning & friday evening - 250mg test e for 12 weeks

Hcg 250iu on shot days instead of day after because I don't want to be having to much alone time or my wife will think I'm masturbating lol

ED tbol @ 60mg daily. My tabs are 30mg tabs and I'm not sure if splitting the tab would be effective. I was thinking to take 30mg when I wake with breakfast, and the other 45-60mins prior to workout with my pre workout meal. It's usually oats.

Adex for AI at .25 eod and I will try to stretch that to e3d if I can.

Pct will be Nolvadex & clomid 20/20/20/20 and 50/50/50/50. I tried the 40/40/20/20 & 100/100/50/50 and found it to be hard on me.

Is my oral timing ok? Should i split the pills and take 15-30-15 instead?

Also, how will i know if 60mg tbol is to much? What signs should I be aware of?

Anything else i should know or watch for or need to get?

[warmouth]

Looks good man. I would use the first week of PCT as a frontload period and double the doses. I am eventually going to try the Tbol myself, once healthy, but I have used Anavar(alot alike). I tried it split morning/evening, then tried it periodically throughout the day, but I found I liked it best all at once. I like the fact of the maximum amount at once versus smaller amounts split up. I dont think you will see a difference at all, so that is your call.

[>Good Luck<]

Looks good man. I would use the first week of PCT as a frontload period and double the doses. I am eventually going to try the Tbol myself, once healthy, but I have used Anavar(alot alike). I tried it split morning/evening, then tried it periodically throughout the day, but I found I liked it best all at once. I like the fact of the maximum amount at once versus smaller amounts split up. I dont think you will see a difference at all, so that is your call.

Thanks for the advice warmouth

Will I get any kind of rush from it? Maybe "rush" is a poor choice of words but basically is taking it pre workout beneficial or is the some more hogwash around here?

[warmouth]

No problem. "rush" is fine because thats actually how I wanted to put it. There is no rush. I found it hard to schedule and would forget how many I took splitting them up. The way I looked at it was this. Do I want 20mgs floating around and peaking a few times throughout the day or have a huge peak all at once? I just felt like it was doing me better in the gym and elsewhere taking it all at once. Alot of people like different methods. I know one who takes var EOD. Personal preference for me is all at once. Definitely felt there was improvements on the weights when I switched over. Placebo? maybe.

[>Good Luck<]

No problem. "rush" is fine because thats actually how I wanted to put it. There is no rush. I found it hard to schedule and would forget how many I took splitting them up. The way I looked at it was this. Do I want 20mgs floating around and peaking a few times throughout the day or have a huge peak all at once? I just felt like it was doing me better in the gym and elsewhere taking it all at once. Alot of people like different methods. I know one who takes var EOD. Personal preference for me is all at once. Definitely felt there was improvements on the weights when I switched over. Placebo? maybe.

That's an answer I can understand! I'll have to test both ways. I'm pretty active so all at once is probably more convenient. Seems better to me.

[warmouth]

Keep us updated on this one. I am wanting to know as much on Tbol as I can.

[>Good Luck<]

Keep us updated on this one. I am wanting to know as much on Tbol as I can.

When I begin my cycle, I will set up a log and document the progress.

[MickeyKnox]

Looks good. Agree with Warmouth on the frontload of your SERM's.

You can dose Tbol once a day if you like. Half life = 16 hours.

[< <Samson> >]

Damn, I am considering trying another oral. . . But, I just don't like the neg liver shit. But, even this D-Bol works good. . .

No rush, I think from any oral < Right?. . .

You think t-Bol over A-Bombs? Androl looks strong, I was thinking about it. But, now I see more shit about t-Bol the Anadrol.

We'll see. . .

All good shit to know.

[warmouth]

Tbol isnt neary as harmful as Dbol. Although they are chemically close to the same. Anadrol is apparently the harshest of the "common"orals. Of course, I would say the most potent would be the oral Tren, but thats not considered "common". Tbol and Anavar will definitely yield cleaner, more maintainable gains, albeit much less weight than Dbol or Anadrol. The latter 2 normally cause some degree of water retention, which is a big cause for the "gains" if thats what you would want to call water weight. Tbol and var dont really cause any water retention, and for me, var actually decreases retention and makes my skin look paper thin. Pretty cool. Another positive, they can generally be tolerated for longer durations, and even though they wont put as much weight on, the gains will stick around for awhile.

[The Titan99]

Tbol is my favorite oral of all!! It's like Dbol with no water and no estrogen. It's like Anavar but gives you great size and at the end you have a bigger, fuller look. Super strength gains too. Not as harsh on the liver so you can run it longer. I run it for 8-10 weeks regularly. I'd split it into 2 doses even though it has a 16 hr half life. That just means you can maintain blood levels 24/7 so you have that stuff pumping around even while your asleep (growing). I like to run that stuff at a higher dose though (like 100 mg ed) but you go with 60 mg this first time and you'll be happy you did.

[The Titan99]

Keep us updated on this one. I am wanting to know as much on Tbol as I can.

Get some and run it man, you'll be preaching it's greatness like a Baptist Minister!!

[>Good Luck<]

Damn, I am considering trying another oral. . . But, I just don't like the neg liver shit. But, even this D-Bol works good. . .

No rush, I think from any oral < Right?. . .

You think t-Bol over A-Bombs? Androl looks strong, I was thinking about it. But, now I see more shit about t-Bol the Anadrol.

We'll see. . .

All good shit to know.

Well here's my thoughts. Dbol is cheapest, but it aromatises and therefore would need to increase AI intake to avoid gyno. A-bombs are just crazy. A pound a day gains is a bit excessive, especially considering as fast as you gain the weight, you WILL lose it. Also aromatises. Anavar is like the supermodel chick I could never get. Too high class for me at this point. Would LOVE to run a solid Var cycle with low test, but not ready as I am still bulking. Mate I will choose Var for a cut.


Which brings me to t-bol. I think I'm mesmerized by her beauty. From what I understand, you can expect to jaw gains comparable to d-Bol without the water retention. Not only this, but tbol does not aromatise/ convert to estrogen which makes the allure all the more real to me. Last but not least, they say tbol gains are much more sustainable like gains from Var, but u can take less and therefore it is a more economical choice. Hopefully I am right about this, because even just typing this got me a little excited!

[The Titan99]

Well here's my thoughts. Dbol is cheapest, but it aromatises and therefore would need to increase AI intake to avoid gyno. A-bombs are just crazy. A pound a day gains is a bit excessive, especially considering as fast as you gain the weight, you WILL lose it. Also aromatises. Anavar is like the supermodel chick I could never get. Too high class for me at this point. Would LOVE to run a solid Var cycle with low test, but not ready as I am still bulking. Mate I will choose Var for a cut.


Which brings me to t-bol. I think I'm mesmerized by her beauty. From what I understand, you can expect to jaw gains comparable to d-Bol without the water retention. Not only this, but tbol does not aromatise/ convert to estrogen which makes the allure all the more real to me. Last but not least, they say tbol gains are much more sustainable like gains from Var, but u can take less and therefore it is a more economical choice. Hopefully I am right about this, because even just typing this got me a little excited!

The thing that makes gains remain after the cycle is diet of course, but the thing with the Tbol is no estro=no water=no water loss or perceived loss of gains post cycle. Also, some of those heavy orals like dbol/androl are only taken for 30 days as a kick start and the body doesn't get used to carrying the extra muscle/weight so it's more likely to be snapped back. Kind of a inertia/rebound effect.

[< <Samson> >]

No one mentioned it so I might as well ask.

How is Halo compared to all the above mentioned?

It is very expensive, so does it do some crazy shit or what? Even more expensive than Var.

[>Good Luck<]

How long should I run this tbol for? Should I run it the whole 12 weeks? Or first 4 weeks? Or 8 weeks? Or???

[Times Roman]

aw.. never mind. I thought this thread was about "something else"? =)

[>Good Luck<]

aw.. never mind. I thought this thread was about "something else"? =)

Lol, at least I got you in here. 1/2 point for good luck

[The Titan99]

How long should I run this tbol for? Should I run it the whole 12 weeks? Or first 4 weeks? Or 8 weeks? Or???

I'd run it the whole 12 if it were me, but you definitely want at least 8. I usually do 8 week cycles with 2 week bridges and you'll see plenty of great gains provided everything else is in order

[>Good Luck<]

I'd run it the whole 12 if it were me, but you definitely want at least 8. I usually do 8 week cycles with 2 week bridges and you'll see plenty of great gains provided everything else is in order

Blast and cruise method from Ronnie Rowland! Nice

[The Titan99]

Blast and cruise method from Ronnie Rowland! Nice

Yup. Been doing that for 3 years with incredible results.

[>Good Luck<]

Yup. Been doing that for 3 years with incredible results.

Have you posted recently and taken BW to see where your baseline is now? I've been curious how one would rebound from this method

[The Titan99]

No one mentioned it so I might as well ask.

How is Halo compared to all the above mentioned?

It is very expensive, so does it do some crazy shit or what? Even more expensive than Var.

Different game completely. I tried Halo for 3 weeks just lately. Extremely liver toxic, perhaps the worst. Only stays in the system 6 hours I think. Enormous strength increase and makes for super aggression in the gym. Some guy's say they have temper problems with it, but I didn't. High doses of Masteron P are my Achilles heel when it comes to temper. I was on 900 mg of Mast and had to spend the day at the DMV in Thailand. The Dali Llama would commit assault under those circumstances LOL! Halo is on the top of the scale androgenically I would guess. The others (especially Var) are hardly androgenic at all. The only thing close to the same is the price.

[The Titan99]

Have you posted recently and taken BW to see where your baseline is now? I've been curious how one would rebound from this method

Yea man, it's in a thread I started a few days ago called "My annual AI experiment. Everything was cool except what I listed there. Since I never use an AI my E2 level was higher than a pregnant woman's!! Lol!! Thank the Lord I don't suffer from sides because my E2, progesterone and Prolactin was through the roof. The blood work was taken 18 days after a huge Test/Tren/Deca/Halo/HGH cycle. At the time of the BW was cruising on 600 mg Test E. Check it out.