Test ethanate and tren cycle questions.

[wolf 1]

I have posted a few times recently on looking for my next cycle. Im interested in adding tren e to my test e especially after reading a few threads and doing some research. Again this will be my fourth cycle with 500mg test e and 40mg var being my last. My main concerns are discrepancies of using adex, aromasin, caber, B12, and HCG during the cycle. There seems to be so many options and what is really needed?

This is what i had set up. I would like input by experienced users of a similar cycle or knowledgeable members on this.
250mg Tren e weeks 1-10
100mg Test e weeks 1-12
.25mg armidex eod

Pct
40mg Nolva weeks 14-16 then 20mg weeks 16-18
350IU HCG ED starts 3 days after last injection for 10 days

Can my tren run the same length as my test since its the same ester? Also is an AI needed during this cycle due to the low doses and the tren not turning into estrogen. I believe it may help with prolactin levels?

Thanks once again. I just want to make sure all angles are covered. Your help has been appreciated.

[MickeyKnox]

Tren and Test at the same time. The esters are very similar.

hCG on cycle @ 250iu 2/wk is a solid protocol and will prevent testicular atrophy. It does not belong in PCT.

AI on cycle to combat E2 levels and possible prolactin. Caber on hand but not necessary on cycle if E2 is controlled.

Clomid/Nolva for PCT.

[Lunk1]

Yes...run the AI through the cycle!
HCG run during the cycle at 250iuX 2per week
Keep Caber or Prami ON HAND!
B12 is optianal, nice for the energy since Tren can make ppl lethargic
No need to run test longer...drop em both at 12 weeks

[Lunk1]

Damn you Mick lol...great advice lol

[Tron3219]

If u hasn't ever ran tren, u should run tren a, shorter ester so it's in and out faster if u can't deal with the sides. Tren has some brutal sides.

[kelkel]

Guys I think .25 eod AI for this maintenance level of T will possibly crash his E2. I suggest much lower, maybe .25 adex 24hrs after each injection and adjust from there.

kel

[Lunk1]

Guys I think .25 eod AI for this maintenance level of T will possibly crash his E2. I suggest much lower, maybe .25 adex 24hrs after each injection and adjust from there.

kel

I bow to your expertise here...it's easier to adjust up than it is down!

[MickeyKnox]

Yup, you nailed it Kel.

That's why youre the big kahuna and they pay you the big bucks.

[kelkel]

Funny. Think this way, .25mg eod is the standard suggested starting dose here for 500mg per week. He's doing a replacement TRT dosage. Even the .25 twice per week may be avoidable, especially if he splits the dosage in half to twice per week, but that's contingent on BW, which not many people get on cycle. If he's low body fat as well it's a plus. Hell, I'd almost rather see the op hold off on the AI, run caber and monitor for sides if astute enough at this game.

Mick it's the pension plan and matching 401K that keeps me here.

[Lunk1]

Funny. Think this way, .25mg eod is the standard suggested starting dose here for 500mg per week. He's doing a replacement TRT dosage. Even the .25 twice per week may be avoidable, especially if he splits the dosage in half to twice per week, but that's contingent on BW, which not many people get on cycle. If he's low body fat as well it's a plus. Hell, I'd almost rather see the op hold off on the AI, run caber and monitor for sides if astute enough at this game.

Mick it's the pension plan and matching 401K that keeps me here.

I understand and couldnt agree more Kel...I honestly have been missing this logic a number of times for sure. Thanks for the eye opener. I'm torn on the no AI and Caber vs low dose AI and Caber on hand though!!!

[MickeyKnox]

That's funny you wrote that. After reading your previous comment, i was sitting back pondering the idea that the OP may not even need an AI at all. And i like the idea of including Caber instead, and paying close attention to obvious E2 sides.

Re Pension: I sure hope Admin is matching you dollar for dollar.

[kelkel]

That's funny you wrote that. After reading your previous comment, i was sitting back pondering the idea that the OP may not even need an AI at all. And i like the idea of including Caber instead, and paying close attention to obvious E2 sides.

Re Pension: I sure hope Admin is matching you dollar for dollar.

Oh, I forgot the all inclusive staff cruise!

I understand and couldnt agree more Kel...I honestly have been missing this logic a number of times for sure. Thanks for the eye opener. I'm torn on the no AI and Caber vs low dose AI and Caber on hand though!!!

I see both sides there. The op needs to know his body and how it responds. Hence my caveat above to monitor for sides if astute at this game....

[cb714]

You can do hcg at the end but most people seem to prefer keeping the testes working the whole time. Ive done both, see no diiference in recovery time. Thats me though, everyone is different.

I personally prefer to run test lower than tren just like you wrote. I run a trt dose of 100mg/wk and tren at 350-400max. Sides are manageable for me at that dose. Make sure you keep some caber or prami on hand in case you turn out to be sensitive to prolactin. Dont wanna start milking like a pregnant chick.

Prami seems to give a lot of people bad sides. Ive never had an issue. Only side I get from prami is a higher sex drive and occasional dizziness. People seem to tolerate caber a lot better but it is harder to get and way more expensive. I think I'll try it out next time around.

One more thing... Keep an eye on your blood pressure. Buy some cialis. That will keep your bp in check if it tends to get high...added bonus of awesome boners. Mix that in with some caber and your sex life should be pretty awesome. Lol.

[kelkel]

Cialis is a great addition to a protocol and I run it steadily. Only caveat is that if you have low BP already you should not run it.

[wolf 1]

Thanks for the obvious knowledgeable responses. I was planning on running injections twice a week and I have 9-10% bf at 225lbs.

test e 100mg 1-12wk
tren e 250mg 1-12wk
.25 dex 24 hours after last injection
hcg 250iu x2 a wk

pct
nolva and clomid

Kelkel what is your reasoning behind using caber over adex on this cycle due to body fat and if i run caber would i b at 12.5mg ed? Also i have heard bad things on tren a and that the sides are less with tren e. This is my 1st tren cycle. Should i switch to tren a and test p?

Thanks again.

[kelkel]

Doing a replacement dosage split twice a week you just plain may not need an AI at all. I don't at 60mg x 2 per week. Lower BF + smaller more frequent injections = less spike in E which can reduce / eliminate the need for an AI. So, if your E is in a good normal range why would you take an AI? To lower it to an unhealthy level! Makes no sense. If your E stays normal then to me it makes sense to run low dose caber. I don't know where you got the amount you listed but you really will not need more than .25mg twice per week. .5 would probably be on the high side. .25 Caber crushes my prolactin level. Tren A-E? Same thing, different ester. Switching just depends on how much you like injecting. It's a low dose cycle. I don't see an issue with it personally.

There is a sticky thread here titled Everything you need to know about caber. Search it up as well as Atomini's thread on Tren would be a good read for you. You'll be fine!

kel

[wolf 1]

I received tren A instead of the tren E with my test E. I was wondering if i can start and stop the same esteres on the same day during the cycle. As of now i have tren A M/W/F and Test E M/F for 12 weeks. Also i received 5000iu of HCG. Would it be ok if i took 200iu M/F throughout the cycle for 12 weeks. Also why do many cycles have you take HCG at the end of the cycle when some recommend taking it during the whole cycle.
PCT and caber doses are same as posted above
Thanks

[Lunk1]

I received tren A instead of the tren E with my test E. I was wondering if i can start and stop the same esteres on the same day during the cycle. As of now i have tren A M/W/F and Test E M/F for 12 weeks. Also i received 5000iu of HCG. Would it be ok if i took 200iu M/F throughout the cycle for 12 weeks. Also why do many cycles have you take HCG at the end of the cycle when some recommend taking it during the whole cycle.
PCT and caber doses are same as posted above
Thanks

test 1-12 Mon & Thur
Tren 4-12 EOD not MWF
HCG would be best at 250iu 2 per week but 200 will still help (through whole cycle to avoid atrophy and speed recovery

[MickeyKnox]

^^ Agreed. ( i waited for you to post this time Lunk. lol)

I don't understand your first question about starting and stopping SAME esters.

M/W/F is NOT every other day (EOD)

Test E should be every 3.5 days for optimum blood/hormone stability. Same goes with hCG.

[kelkel]

Tren A EOD, not just MWF. If you mean switching from Tren E to A, sure you can.
Test E Monday am, Thurs pm.
Re HCG. Just different theories but think about it. Why allow yourself to be totally shut down when you can maintain function via HCG during cycle, which in turn helps during pct. Improves your odds, so to speak.

[kelkel]

Jeez!

[Lunk1]

^^ Agreed. ( i waited for you to post this time Lunk. lol)

I don't understand your first question about starting and stopping SAME esters.

M/W/F is NOT every other day (EOD)

Test E should be every 3.5 days for optimum blood/hormone stability. Same goes with hCG.

Thanks for being so patient Mick...I had to stop licking the windows on the short bus so I could reply

I believe the ops concern has to do with the fact he got Tren A instead of Tren E and how to comine that with a long estered Test. Hopefully my example will suffice!

[Lunk1]

Jeez!

Whats the matter recruiter??

[kelkel]

Penalty, piling on!

Oh, your numero uno on my list....

[leather daddy]

Penalty, piling on!

Oh, your numero uno on my list....

ive been pinning MWF. for majority of my short ester cycles. Probs should be eod and i might change that as of monday but i dont see a difference tbh. Any difference? Considering tren ace half live is 3 days as im sure props is 4.

[Lunk1]

Penalty, piling on!

Oh, your numero uno on my list....

I told the wife this morn how your waiting fo me...she seems to think you may want to take a seat and grab a snack cause it could be a while lol

[Lunk1]

ive been pinning MWF. for majority of my short ester cycles. Probs should be eod and i might change that as of monday but i dont see a difference tbh. Any difference? Considering tren ace half live is 3 days as im sure props is 4.

PPL fail to realize that one of the most important aspects of cycling is to maintain stable and constant blood levels...the more you create peaks and valleys in your levels the less the gains and greater the sides!

[leather daddy]

PPL fail to realize that one of the most important aspects of cycling is to maintain stable and constant blood levels...the more you create peaks and valleys in your levels the less the gains and greater the sides!

i understand. As of monday im switching to eod. Probably just do 100mg tren and 100mg prop eod. Maybe 150. Will we see

[leather daddy]

actually i will start today.

[MickeyKnox]

Thanks for being so patient Mick...I had to stop licking the windows on the short bus so I could reply

I believe the ops concern has to do with the fact he got Tren A instead of Tren E and how to comine that with a long estered Test. Hopefully my example will suffice!

I hear for ya anytime buddy. And if we go out for lunch, we'll get a great parking spot with your handicap sticker.

[wolf 1]

Thanks Lunk. You nailed what I was looking for. My main concern was the two diff esters, but i got it now. Just wanted to double check with people more knowledgeable then me.

Thanks again