friend hopped on tbol oral only...

[ImDennis]

so buddy of mine hopped on tbol oral only cycle, tried to talk him into using test also but he keeps mentioning that all his buddies had great results with it and they all retained their results, but after trying to convince him to do test also i managed to get no where, so just curious, what do you guys think... hes about 6ft, 190ish pounds, decently built, plans on running tbol for 10 weeks (i tried telling him he'll fuk his liver up and he should only run it for like a month while with test and then just go test but he wouldn't listen), hes taking milk thistle with his tbol, hes doing 50mg doses, plans on doing tbol for 10 weeks, then pct after, so my questions are, how bad is it gonna be, is he gonna maintain the results?, what should he expect

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

No he will most likely keep nothing.

I had a friend do a dbol only cycle...lost all his gains after and had flu like symptoms 2 weeks straight after coming off.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

He'll be fine. tbol is mild and 10 weeks won't kill his liver. The liver regenerates at lightning speed. If he is too much of a vagina to stick a needle in his ass, then at least he is using something that won't be much of a problem. And no, he won't keep anything unless he goes back on soon after, but that's the case with any AAS.

[warmouth]

Man, your friend sounds like an absolute moron, not nearly ready for AAS. You on the other hand, seem far more knowledgeable by coming on here and getting advice for an oral only cycle, for your friend that is. Id say you should beg him to stop before he really hurts himself permantently and cause problems throughout his life. It would suck if your friend got degenerative bone and muscle disease and lost alot of cartilage and such. Or is fed through a tube. It is a scary thought, and definitely something to think about. Tremors and muscle wasting disease being young would not be a good quality of life throughout the prime of his life. Beg him!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Man, your friend sounds like an absolute moron, not nearly ready for AAS. You on the other hand, seem far more knowledgeable by coming on here and getting advice for an oral only cycle, for your friend that is. Id say you should beg him to stop before he really hurts himself permantently and cause problems throughout his life. It would suck if your friend got degenerative bone and muscle disease and lost alot of cartilage and such. Or is fed through a tube. It is a scary thought, and definitely something to think about. Tremors and muscle wasting disease being young would not be a good quality of life throughout the prime of his life. Beg him!

lol, the odds of that are like 1 in a trillion. Some people really love to exaggerate side effects sometimes

[ImDennis]

Man, your friend sounds like an absolute moron, not nearly ready for AAS. You on the other hand, seem far more knowledgeable by coming on here and getting advice for an oral only cycle, for your friend that is. Id say you should beg him to stop before he really hurts himself permantently and cause problems throughout his life. It would suck if your friend got degenerative bone and muscle disease and lost alot of cartilage and such. Or is fed through a tube. It is a scary thought, and definitely something to think about. Tremors and muscle wasting disease being young would not be a good quality of life throughout the prime of his life. Beg him!

lolll wut...... im not going to beg the kid, its his on life, i told him as much as i could, he even wants to hop on sust after his oral cycle.... he's just my gym buddy, what he does in his time doesn't really have much affect on me, was just curious on how bad the liver damage is going to be... and im assuming u think im planning on doing this... and im just using my friend as an example rather then myself, answer to that is no. i haven't even done a cycle, not going to for another year or so....

[AlphaMaleDawg]

lolll wut...... im not going to beg the kid, its his on life, i told him as much as i could, he even wants to hop on sust after his oral cycle.... he's just my gym buddy, what he does in his time doesn't really have much affect on me, was just curious on how bad the liver damage is going to be... and im assuming u think im planning on doing this... and im just using my friend as an example rather then myself, answer to that is no. i haven't even done a cycle, not going to for another year or so....

I once took Superdrol, arguably the harshest oral you can take for 3 weeks, had my ALT and AST both almost triple the normal range. Three weeks later after I came off, I took bloods again, and both were in the normal range. The liver is very resilient. Tbol can be used at a reasonable dose for 10 weeks for sure, at least for most people. I'd run dbol for 10 weeks if I used a modest dose like 20mg a day. I'm really not worried about the liver. The cholesterol and lipid panel is what I am more concerned with. Mine get tanked easily on tren and orals, for instance. I actually don't use orals anymore because of that.

[AD]

He'll be fine. tbol is mild and 10 weeks won't kill his liver. The liver regenerates at lightning speed. If he is too much of a vagina to stick a needle in his ass, then at least he is using something that won't be much of a problem. And no, he won't keep anything unless he goes back on soon after, but that's the case with any AAS.

do you feel that the liver is the only thing he needs to worry about? with 10wks of tbol and nothing else?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

do you feel that the liver is the only thing he needs to worry about? with 10wks of tbol and nothing else?

No, he needs to worry about his cholesterol, which I indicated in the post right above yours. As far as his HPTA goes, it will be fine

[warmouth]

No, he needs to worry about his cholesterol, which I indicated in the post right above yours. As far as his HPTA goes, it will be fine

Cholesterol and liver. Is THAT all? And about the HPTA. How do you know that his HPTA will be fine?

[warmouth]

lolll wut...... im not going to beg the kid, its his on life, i told him as much as i could, he even wants to hop on sust after his oral cycle.... he's just my gym buddy, what he does in his time doesn't really have much affect on me, was just curious on how bad the liver damage is going to be... and im assuming u think im planning on doing this... and im just using my friend as an example rather then myself, answer to that is no. i haven't even done a cycle, not going to for another year or so....

Then if you arent concerned about him, why the question? Especially being your first post ever on this board, it makes it sound like you are wanting to know this for yourself. Just saying.....

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Cholesterol and liver. Is THAT all? And about the HPTA. How do you know that his HPTA will be fine?

First of all, he is a huge vagina for taking orals only because he doesn't want to inject needles in his ass. Secondly, his hpta will be fine. I am not condoning what he is doing, but I can assure you he won't be shutdown for life from a little tbol lol.

[warmouth]

First of all, he is a huge vagina for taking orals only because he doesn't want to inject needles in his ass. Secondly, his hpta will be fine. I am not condoning what he is doing, but I can assure you he won't be shutdown for life from a little tbol lol.

How do you know? Do you have any evidence to support this theory? I just dont see how you can assure someone this. Pretty bold.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

How do you know? Do you have any evidence to support this theory? I just dont see how you can assure someone this. Pretty bold.

No, but do you have any evidence that he will? 99 out of 100 people at that age will recover from that. Yes I made up that statistic, but it is ridiculous to think there is a good chance he will never recover his natural test. There is no need to exaggerate the implications of what he is doing. And oh yea, he is still a bitch. I think we can both agree on that

[Capebuffalo]

How do you know? Do you have any evidence to support this theory? I just dont see how you can assure someone this. Pretty bold.

^^^This.
Look using absolutes like I assure you you will be fine is not wise.
There is no guarantee with anything. Young users don't need smoke blown up their ass. Their is risk with anything you put in your body. Please choose your words more accordingly if you continue with your advise. Please.

[Bonaparte]

Tbol is the mildest steroid on the HPTA, after maybe halotestin. He'll just be partially suppressed by the end of it, and may experience some lethargy and libido issues in the last month. Not a huge deal, and nothing that a month of Nolva following it shouldn't fix.

But the results won't be anything amazing if he's trying to bulk.

[bp2000]

Cholesterol and liver. Is THAT all? And about the HPTA. How do you know that his HPTA will be fine?

Funny how guys who use AAS will talk about the HPTA. You think you have superman HPTA? A regular steriod user has a much greater chance of damaging their HPTA than someone who runs a mild Tbol only cycle. Var and Tbol only cycles are not the worse thing in the world. Most of these kids will use this and nothing else which is safter than telling them to run needles.

[warmouth]

No, but do you have any evidence that he will? 99 out of 100 people at that age will recover from that. Yes I made up that statistic, but it is ridiculous to think there is a good chance he will never recover his natural test. There is no need to exaggerate the implications of what he is doing. And oh yea, he is still a bitch. I think we can both agree on that

We can agree on the last part, but there is much more evidence to prove a supression than not. In fact, a suppression is almost a guarantee with Tbol, as it is a derivitive of Dbol, which causes major supression, if not total shutdown. And since a supression is a fact of this, how can you prove a rebound? It is an impossibility. If a person is shutdown, especially for extended periods(10 weeks), then there is absolutely no guarrantee a full recovery is possible. Not saying it cant happen, but why make statements to guarantee a full recovery?

[warmouth]

Funny how guys who use AAS will talk about the HPTA. You think you have superman HPTA? A regular steriod user has a much greater chance of damaging their HPTA than someone who runs a mild Tbol only cycle. Var and Tbol only cycles are not the worse thing in the world. Most of these kids will use this and nothing else which is safter than telling them to run needles.

The fact is, most people are more concerned with the HPTA and gyno than anything else. They fail to realize the actual risks involved. Screw HPTA, that can be worked with. It would suck for a young person to be put on TRT for doing stupid things, but hey, risk to reward, right? Gyno? Who cares. It can be fixed. Think about the actual serious problems that actually happen that no one seems to ask about or care about.
High cholesterol
High Blood Pressure
High RBC
Hemocrit
Thickening of the walls of the heart
Elevated Liver Enzymes
Kidney function
The list goes on and on. And these are the things that happen most and are never a concern to most new users or guys who only care about the "visual" sides. There is alot more risk involved than HPTA and supression.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

It's not a guarantee, but it's far more likely he will recover. Sure I can't say exactly for sure, but I also can't guarantee someone will die from taking double their dose of Tylenol. There are risks with everything, and I don't feel this is any riskier than most other things. I don't think there is that much of a disconnect between what we are saying.

[Bonaparte]

We can agree on the last part, but there is much more evidence to prove a supression than not. In fact, a suppression is almost a guarantee with Tbol, as it is a derivitive of Dbol, which causes major supression, if not total shutdown. And since a supression is a fact of this, how can you prove a rebound? It is an impossibility. If a person is shutdown, especially for extended periods(10 weeks), then there is absolutely no guarrantee a full recovery is possible. Not saying it cant happen, but why make statements to guarantee a full recovery?

Same goes for injecting test, only the shutdown there will be faster and a sure thing.
And Dbol itself is not that suppressive. It is mainly the methylestradiol that is disruptive of the HPTA.
There are studies out there with zero patients experiencing full suppression after 6 weeks of high dosed Dbol (and that's without an AI).
My main reason for using a decent dose of test alongside orals is that the stronger ones make me lethargic as hell, and a good dose of test helps tremendously with this.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

The fact is, most people are more concerned with the HPTA and gyno than anything else. They fail to realize the actual risks involved. Screw HPTA, that can be worked with. It would suck for a young person to be put on TRT for doing stupid things, but hey, risk to reward, right? Gyno? Who cares. It can be fixed. Think about the actual serious problems that actually happen that no one seems to ask about or care about.
High cholesterol
High Blood Pressure
High RBC
Hemocrit
Thickening of the walls of the heart
Elevated Liver Enzymes
Kidney function
The list goes on and on. And these are the things that happen most and are never a concern to most new users or guys who only care about the "visual" sides. There is alot more risk involved than HPTA and supression.

Good post, however, I doubt he will have all those problems you mentioned on just a little tbol. If he was running a big stack of tren, anadrol, test and eq in large doses, then all those factors 100% come into play

[warmouth]

Good post, however, I doubt he will have all those problems you mentioned on just a little tbol. If he was running a big stack of tren, anadrol, test and eq in large doses, then all those factors 100% come into play

I did 80mgs of anavar and 250mgs test for 6 weeks. All of those happened to me. Thats one reason I am laying in bed with a holter monitor on and am getting an ecocardiogram and renal ultral sound soon.

[bp2000]

I did 80mgs of anavar and 250mgs test for 6 weeks. All of those happened to me. Thats one reason I am laying in bed with a holter monitor on and am getting an ecocardiogram and renal ultral sound soon.

Damn bro 6 weeks is a short time. I would think thickening of the heart would happen over time from steroid abuse. The cycle you mentioned doesn't sound like abuse. Did you do heavy cycles previously?

[warmouth]

nope. Ive never ran over 350mgs of test, 50mgs winny EOD. Thats it. Thats the reason I say that no one can know the effects from one person to the next. I always run everything very low.

[AD]

I did 80mgs of anavar and 250mgs test for 6 weeks. All of those happened to me. Thats one reason I am laying in bed with a holter monitor on and am getting an ecocardiogram and renal ultral sound soon.

Sorry to hear that bro. Hope you're ok.

[dont stare]

fish oil it's we're all the gains come from I gained 25kg of lean muscle mass on fish oil in 26hrs exact

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I did 80mgs of anavar and 250mgs test for 6 weeks. All of those happened to me. Thats one reason I am laying in bed with a holter monitor on and am getting an ecocardiogram and renal ultral sound soon.

Now I see why you are being overly cautious here. Anavar is known to wreck lipids but I am surprised it became that bad for you. I would guess genetics played the main role in that. Even if you get an EKG and shows left heart ventricle hypertrophy, I wouldn't worry. Most heavy lifters who don't even take steroids get that too. It can shrink back down easily fortunately. I did a lot of research on that because I was worried about it myself. Anyways, hope everything works out for you

[XxAndreaxX]

I made Tbol 6 weeks, freakin experience, kicks in week 3, good power the 6th week, 6kg gains. i had to go to the hospital for the extreme high BP, wont do it again, because of the ugly results, only wáter bloat. lost 7kg after cycle, and some libido during pct. stick to inject. tbol only good for summer beach bloat

[Bonaparte]

I made Tbol 6 weeks, freakin experience, kicks in week 3, good power the 6th week, 6kg gains. i had to go to the hospital for the extreme high BP, wont do it again, because of the ugly results, only wáter bloat. lost 7kg after cycle, and some libido during pct. stick to inject. tbol only good for summer beach bloat

You clearly used Dbol, not Tbol.

[MickeyKnox]

You clearly used Dbol, not Tbol.

I was gonna say that sounds to me like dirty Dbol..lol

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I was gonna say that sounds to me like dirty Dbol..lol

god I hate dbol so much

[XxAndreaxX]

nono, I used turinabol (although the prohormone vesion). I know, it should be lean bulk, but everyone who used it, tells more or less the same, 6kg gain and 4kg loss during PCT.

[warmouth]

nono, I used turinabol (although the prohormone vesion). I know, it should be lean bulk, but everyone who used it, tells more or less the same, 6kg gain and 4kg loss during PCT.

This is not turinabol. Turinabol doesnt cause rapid weight gain or water retention. Those prohormones use "steroid-like" names. Turinabol has slow, lean gains.