Bulking, cutting, and AAS

[Perseverance1]

Okay, so it's established that bulking and cutting is dependent on your diet, not the drugs you're taking. This fact makes me wonder What happens if your diet isn't stable.

For example:

I'm bulking...it's a pretty clean bulk on 60mg of d-Bol and 750mg of test e. I eat around 3700-4000 calories with a 575/250/60 split, consuming the majority of my carbs pre/post workout at the start of my day. Anyway, on my days off from work I don't usually hit my macros....I only eat around 3200 calories of those days...still clean diet though. I try to have a cheat day once a week also.

Long story short, on the days where I don't hit my calories am I "cutting"??? I mean, the AAS should keep me anabolic even if I'm not eating, right?

Hopefully someone gets what I'm really asking here...typing on my phone sucks.

[Lunk1]

No...its not about what you do on one day but what you do over a longer course of time. Your body wont switch gears because you misssed your cals on 1 day. Now, do that for a week or 2 and yes you could start cutting

[Perseverance1]

No...its not about what you do on one day but what you do over a longer course of time. Your body wont switch gears because you misssed your cals on 1 day. Now, do that for a week or 2 and yes you could start cutting

This is the answer I expected. But what I'm really wondering is how your body won't switch gears. You need food to grow, if you don't eat food one day you don't grow that day...what sort of clock does the human body follow regarding caloric consumption?

[bigsiv]

This is the answer I expected. But what I'm really wondering is how your body won't switch gears. You need food to grow, if you don't eat food one day you don't grow that day...what sort of clock does the human body follow regarding caloric consumption?

Tough question that one but I would have thought that the body has say a 3 -7 day average check, for example if we don't drink water we could die in 3 days, food up to 7 days at a guess. I know this is not the question asked but taken that into consideration I don't think the body would add 4lbs in a day if you ate 1500cal over maintenance on any given day. The body has to absorb the food break it down take the minerals away etc which takes time
Starting to babble here lol but I would have thought a cut or bulk would be your diet on an average WEEK roughly lol

[Bio-Active]

If you do what i call high and lows you could cut for sure. On non training days cut your carb intake in half and watch what that does to your body over 8 weeks.

No...its not about what you do on one day but what you do over a longer course of time. Your body wont switch gears because you misssed your cals on 1 day. Now, do that for a week or 2 and yes you could start cutting

[Bio-Active]

I would never do a cheat day? A cheat meal yes but a cheat day could potentially wreck the whole week you have been dieting.

[bigsiv]

If you do what i call high and lows you could cut for sure. On non training days cut your carb intake in half and watch what that does to your body over 8 weeks.

What would that do jim240027? Are you saying you can cut and bulk in the same cycle successfully? Not being patronising serious question

[Bio-Active]

No cutting and bulking really should be separate but this would be an easier cut than trying to just do an all out cut. I have been able to maintain the muscle and get lean doing this with not loosing much strength.

[bigsiv]

No cutting and bulking really should be separate but this would be an easier cut than trying to just do an all out cut. I have been able to maintain the muscle and get lean doing this with not loosing much strength.

So rather than sticking to a 500 cal surplus each day you would halve the carbs on rest days? Am I getting that right ? Does it work better?

[Lunk1]

I think the point the op is looking for is that there is no trigger, no switch. What I eat today doesnt determine cut or bulk, neither does what I eat tomorrow or the next day. Its an overall sum of the parts. During an 80's week cutting cycle did I eat less calories than I burned...yes or no, and how much one way or the other.

[bigsiv]

I think the point the op is looking for is that there is no trigger, no switch. What I eat today doesnt determine cut or bulk, neither does what I eat tomorrow or the next day. Its an overall sum of the parts. During an 80's week cutting cycle did I eat less calories than I burned...yes or no, and how much one way or the other.

Yeah that's what I was trying to say Lunk lol cut or bulk is determined by your diet on average.
I think that's were people (including me) struggle to gain, they might hit their calories one day but not the next so overall they are only above maintenance and wonder why they can't gain. I've done it myself, sometimes it is hard to hit the cals on a bulk

[Bio-Active]

Yes consistency is key here my only point is when you are doing highs and lows at least you are not starving all the time and you get the calories your body really needs on the training days.

[Perseverance1]

I would never do a cheat day? A cheat meal yes but a cheat day could potentially wreck the whole week you have been dieting.

I don't think I agree with this post.

If you're hitting your macros 100% day in and day out your body will eventually get used to the intake. I doubt one meal a week will make much of a difference. What I've been doing is taking 6 hours on a cheat day and eating as many carbs as I want. Then I go back to 'normal'

The only part that sucks is I really don't like to cheat at all...it makes it harder for me to stay on track.

[Bio-Active]

I suppose this is goal dependent. If you are trying to cut i would never suggest a cheat day but to each his own.

I don't think I agree with this post.

If you're hitting your macros 100% day in and day out your body will eventually get used to the intake. I doubt one meal a week will make much of a difference. What I've been doing is taking 6 hours on a cheat day and eating as many carbs as I want. Then I go back to 'normal'

The only part that sucks is I really don't like to cheat at all...it makes it harder for me to stay on track.

[bigsiv]

I think cheat DAY should be kept fir bulking personally, I couldn't sleep having a cheat day whilst cutting lol guilt trip ha ha

[Bio-Active]

Exactly if you are cutting the goal should be to get as lean as possible.

I think cheat DAY should be kept fir bulking personally, I couldn't sleep having a cheat day whilst cutting lol guilt trip ha ha

[Perseverance1]

I suppose this is goal dependent. If you are trying to cut i would never suggest a cheat day but to each his own.

Uhhhh, I'm not cutting...but still I'm not sure that not having a cheat day on a cut is a good idea...what happens when your body gets used to the caloric deficit and your metabolism drops?

[Bio-Active]

I realize you are not cutting the comment was directed at the op and that is the whole idea of running highs and lows for 8 weeks. At the 8 week mark you would change things again so your body doesn't get used to the caloric intake. Did you read the posts?

Uhhhh, I'm not cutting...but still I'm not sure that not having a cheat day on a cut is a good idea...what happens when your body gets used to the caloric deficit and your metabolism drops?

[bigsiv]

Yeah that didn't make sense perserverece ' I'm not sure not having......' Double negatives always confuse me lol

[Lunk1]

Uhhhh, I'm not cutting...but still I'm not sure that not having a cheat day on a cut is a good idea...what happens when your body gets used to the caloric deficit and your metabolism drops?

Cheat days are highly over emphasized. The biggest reason for a cheat meal or day is the mental aspect. Breaking the boredom and monotiny of cutting diets. The reason small deficits like 500 cals are suggested is so that the body doesnt go into preservation mode and to keep lbm.

You want to keep metabolism high...up cardio not food!

[Bio-Active]

Thanks Lunk

Cheat days are highly over emphasized. The biggest reason for a cheat meal or day is the mental aspect. Breaking the boredom and monotiny of cutting diets. The reason small deficits like 500 cals are suggested is so that the body doesnt go into preservation mode and to keep lbm.

You want to keep metabolism high...up cardio not food!

[Perseverance1]

I realize you are not cutting the comment was directed at the op and that is the whole idea of running highs and lows for 8 weeks. At the 8 week mark you would change things again so your body doesn't get used to the caloric intake. Did you read the posts?

Not sure if you realized this but I am the OP...either way though the point is moot as Lunk (as always) cleared up my confusion for me.

[Bio-Active]

My bad just keep in mind if you are cutting the idea is to cut for a certain period of time. If you need piece of mind cutting then have 2 cheat meals a week. It will make the food taste better since you are not getting it as often anyway LOL. If you are bulking and you need a cheat day go for it.

Not sure if you realized this but I am the OP...either way though the point is moot as Lunk (as always) cleared up my confusion for me.

[Perseverance1]

My bad

It's all good man I'm just a big dummy sometimes. I also find that occasionally when I delve into something for more advanced knowledge I end up forgetting some of the basics.....

[bigsiv]

It's all good man I'm just a big dummy sometimes. I also find that occasionally when I delve into something for more advanced knowledge I end up forgetting some of the basics.....

It was a good question Perseverance I learned something.

[Bio-Active]

Its all good bro i dont think its that we forget the basics but often when we explain things we know the basics and assume people can read our minds LOL