plzzzz help...question bout durabolin

[darko4punk]

1. i want to do a durabolin injectable cycle,with a low dose test stack injectable..i hear durabolin can be hepotoxic on the liver but i am confused ,is this the oral steriod because it is methylated wich would make it hard on the liver...my question is does the injectable not have this 17-alpha-alkyl that cause all of these red flags...
2.i am just scared about steroids in relation to cancer!, and i have done alot of research,but find nothing but a few case studies that seem bias to the point of using!
3.if i ask my practicing doctor to look at durabolin compounds do you think he would give me a legit reasoning/answer to what his worries are.
4.. i also wish it was shady getting injectable,all the internet sights seem shady! plz help

[Bio-Active]

What is your cycle experience?

[darko4punk]

this would be my first!

[darko4punk]

but i have been researching for months,and the hepotixic nature of the 17-alpha alkyl compound is all that scares me

[Bio-Active]

Your first cycle should be test only bro. You need to see how your body reacts to it. If you are using more than one compound and you get sides you will not no what is causing them. What is your plan for PCT?

[darko4punk]

nolvadex,week 12-14 with test for two to three weeks after durabolin till natural test progresses back to normal!maybe some clomid

[darko4punk]

what is a good test,does test have hepATOXICITY problems or is that just the durabolin

[darko4punk]

btw,i appreciate the help

[Bio-Active]

You need to go to the PCT section and read the stickys. You could run a much better PCT than that bro. Do not run deca on your first cycle. How is your nutrition?

[darko4punk]

the main concern is for the hepatoxicty and problems this 17 alkyl can cause..does the injectable have this?

[darko4punk]

i bring in about 200 grams protien a day and 3500 calories

[Bio-Active]

Honestly not to many people here will give advice on the use of aas unless they know you are ready. So your nutrition needs to be on par first and far most and the PCT needs to be in order as well.

[Bio-Active]

Post up your macros? How many meals are you eating per day?

i bring in about 200 grams protien a day and 3500 calories

[darko4punk]

iv been lifting for years and im platowed

[darko4punk]

i dont know what macro means

[Bio-Active]

How many grams of PRO/Carb/Fat are you eating with each meal and how many meals per day?

[darko4punk]

wowww...i am not that specific, i have three protein shakes morning lunch dinner,50 grams each.. lunch consist of pbj and chips.then dinner is what ever entree the wife makes up(burger,chicken and potatoes,sketti ect...)and i wing breakfast!i guess i never really thought about it,.....whats the coralation here?

[Bio-Active]

Steroids are not magic pills. If you don't have everything dialed in they will do much more harm than good. Trust me on this one you are not ready to use AAS. You need to head over to the nutrition forum and you can still make massive gains naturally before even considering the use of AAS!

[darko4punk]

i am 5 10'' 180,,, and cant ever get bigger'/stronger....and started weight at 15 i am now 28....i am in decent shape bench 295 for a one rep max..i am not shredded cause my bf is to high probally,,i just want some good strenght gain!

[Bio-Active]

Nutrition will solve all your problems bro. You will need to be eating 6 to 7 quality whole food meals per day with or with AAS.

[darko4punk]

i will give this a little more looking into i suppose....iv had to friends do mdrol cycles and get decent gain and they were first time users,but maybe they got lucky

[Bio-Active]

They didnt realise the harm they could be doing to there body! Pro hormone and Oral only cycles are very hard on your body and HTPA

[darko4punk]

well i do thank you for the help,maybe nutrition will help.

[>Good Luck<]

well i do thank you for the help,maybe nutrition will help.

There is no maybe my friend, it is fact. Science. Can't argue science. A diet is key for anyone who wants to build lean body mass. It's just one of those things you don't know that you don't know... Once youve read up on proper nutrition, you'll understand what's being said here

[darko4punk]

i hope so!

[darko4punk]

still curious about the negative effects of durabolin or steroids in general and the correlation to cancer?

[darko4punk]

There is no maybe my friend, it is fact. Science. Can't argue science. A diet is key for anyone who wants to build lean body mass. It's just one of those things you don't know that you don't know... Once youve read up on proper nutrition, you'll understand what's being said here

still curious about the negative effects of durabolin or steroids in general and the correlation to cancer?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

He said he is plateaud, eats 200g of protein, and 3500 calories a day. He will turn into a fatass if he starts to eat more than he already does.

op, durabolin is deca or npp, which are both injectable. Neither is harsh on the liver. Shoot some test at maybe 150mg a week with 400mg deca, or run 500mg test a week with no deca at all. That's what I would do.

Also, there are no links between steroids and cancer. Cancer is the least of your worries quite frankly.

[stpete]

wowww...i am not that specific, i have three protein shakes morning lunch dinner,50 grams each.. lunch consist of pbj and chips.then dinner is what ever entree the wife makes up(burger,chicken and potatoes,sketti ect...)and i wing breakfast!i guess i never really thought about it,.....whats the coralation here?

This diet is terrible. Too many shakes and not enough whole foods. PB&J has little protein, loaded w/sugar, and do i have to break down the potato chips? You need to eat at least 5-6 smaller meals thru the day. You will see little to gains if you continue this diet and run a cycle.

I suggest you hit the Nutrition Section and post everything you ate yesterday. Throw in the day before as well. Those guys will break it down and help you get a diet together that will help you get the most of your cycle and improve your chances of holding onto your gains post cycle.

Need to eat more often, with quality foods.

Good Luck

[>Good Luck<]

He said he is plateaud, eats 200g of protein, and 3500 calories a day. He will turn into a fatass if he starts to eat more than he already does.

op, durabolin is deca or npp, which are both injectable. Neither is harsh on the liver. Shoot some test at maybe 150mg a week with 400mg deca, or run 500mg test a week with no deca at all. That's what I would do.

Also, there are no links between steroids and cancer. Cancer is the least of your worries quite frankly.

Is that the only post you read alpha??? Because he also said he wings it. He also said he has high bf% ... he also said he "platowed"

Oh did u read the part where he said he will run Nolvadex and test for pct?

I can appreciate that YOU are jacked as per your avi photo but dont go around here being mr.helper if you don't plan on giving people safe advice. Its standard on this board and RESPECTED members around here don't give advice when people havent don't enough research on their own. But hey, thanks to you OP will probably inject himself today before he has the opportunity to equip himself with the thorough knowledge you should have before you go down this path of gear.....


That's 2 times today I've read irresponsible posts from you... Maybe you should read the rules at the top So u can understand what type of board you joined

[>Good Luck<]

Not to mention that nobody said he wasn't eating enough food, we suggested he should learn about nutrition and eat RIGHT. not MORE.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

This diet is terrible. Too many shakes and not enough whole foods. PB&J has little protein, loaded w/sugar, and do i have to break down the potato chips? You need to eat at least 5-6 smaller meals thru the day. You will see little to gains if you continue this diet and run a cycle.

I suggest you hit the Nutrition Section and post everything you ate yesterday. Throw in the day before as well. Those guys will break it down and help you get a diet together that will help you get the most of your cycle and improve your chances of holding onto your gains post cycle.

Need to eat more often, with quality foods.

Good Luck

If he switches his diet from that to 100% clean, he won't magically grow muscle again. You can put on muscle eating big macs just like you can with grilled chicken breast. Let's say he overhauled his diet, which isn't really that awful (though obviously can improve), he might lose some fat and that's it. Overall his calories are 3500 a day. That is probably an ideal number for him.

Anyways, I'm out of here. You and 10 others will of course tell me I am wrong, even though I know I'm right. Enjoy your Saturday night everyone

[>Good Luck<]

If he switches his diet from that to 100% clean, he won't magically grow muscle again. You can put on muscle eating big macs just like you can with grilled chicken breast. Let's say he overhauled his diet, which isn't really that awful (though obviously can improve), he might lose some fat and that's it. Overall his calories are 3500 a day. That is probably an ideal number for him.

Anyways, I'm out of here. You and 10 others will of course tell me I am wrong, even though I know I'm right. Enjoy your Saturday night everyone

You have no idea what your talking about. The guy said he doesn't even know what Marcos are but u believe he eats 3500 calories? He doesn't even know what he eats in a day. He made those numbers up most likely. 200g protein from shakes... Pfft

[darko4punk]

He said he is plateaud, eats 200g of protein, and 3500 calories a day. He will turn into a fatass if he starts to eat more than he already does.

op, durabolin is deca or npp, which are both injectable. Neither is harsh on the liver. Shoot some test at maybe 150mg a week with 400mg deca, or run 500mg test a week with no deca at all. That's what I would do.

Also, there are no links between steroids and cancer. Cancer is the least of your worries quite frankly.

thanks alot man for the second opinion..your suggesting doing just test with no decca....whats a good novice test to start with

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Is that the only post you read alpha??? Because he also said he wings it. He also said he has high bf% ... he also said he "platowed"

Oh did u read the part where he said he will run Nolvadex and test for pct?

I can appreciate that YOU are jacked as per your avi photo but dont go around here being mr.helper if you don't plan on giving people safe advice. Its standard on this board and RESPECTED members around here don't give advice when people havent don't enough research on their own. But hey, thanks to you OP will probably inject himself today before he has the opportunity to equip himself with the thorough knowledge you should have before you go down this path of gear.....


That's 2 times today I've read irresponsible posts from you... Maybe you should read the rules at the top So u can understand what type of board you joined

You want to hear something else you will think is "irresponsible"? I think pct is complete garbage. People should either use steroids with the intention of staying on, or never take steroids ever. None of this going on and off yoyo crap. I won't post again

good night

[darko4punk]

You have no idea what your talking about. The guy said he doesn't even know what Marcos are but u believe he eats 3500 calories? He doesn't even know what he eats in a day. He made those numbers up most likely. 200g protein from shakes... Pfft

i am neww yes,but i am trying to learn...and btw(i have counted calories forever,so i roughly eat 3000 too 3500 a day..and i KNOW SOME PEOPLE CAUTION ALOT ABOUT ROIDS,BUT I THINK IF NOT ABUSED they are not as dangerous,and i do take all comments into full point and consideration!i read 500mg durabolin once a week 10 weeks... and run Pct starting week 12 USE clomid. 100/50/50/50and test 2 weeks after done with durabolin/

[Bio-Active]

I gave you my advice. Good luck man i hope you visit the nutrition forum!!

i am neww yes,but i am trying to learn...and btw(i have counted calories forever,so i roughly eat 3000 too 3500 a day..and i KNOW SOME PEOPLE CAUTION ALOT ABOUT ROIDS,BUT I THINK IF NOT ABUSED they are not as dangerous,and i do take all comments into full point and consideration!i read 500mg durabolin once a week 10 weeks... and run Pct starting week 12 USE clomid. 100/50/50/50and test 2 weeks after done with durabolin/

[>Good Luck<]

You want to hear something else you will think is "irresponsible"? I think pct is complete garbage. People should either use steroids with the intention of staying on, or never take steroids ever. None of this going on and off yoyo crap. I won't post again

good night

Your absolutely right...irresponsible.

Anyone who reads this, just understand that this guys opinion is not the common consensus and he's probably just boosting because he's on cycle now and feels he's a god or some bs. Take your health serious and don't be ignorant to the facts that steroids are harsh drugs and long term use or abuse isn't a smart choice for everyone.

[>Good Luck<]

i am neww yes,but i am trying to learn...and btw(i have counted calories forever,so i roughly eat 3000 too 3500 a day..and i KNOW SOME PEOPLE CAUTION ALOT ABOUT ROIDS,BUT I THINK IF NOT ABUSED they are not as dangerous,and i do take all comments into full point and consideration!i read 500mg durabolin once a week 10 weeks... and run Pct starting week 12 USE clomid. 100/50/50/50and test 2 weeks after done with durabolin/

Protocol is still not right. Deca should be run 12 weeks minimum IMO. Test should run longer than deca, and pct start time depends on the ester of what you take last. No HCG? NO AI?

Every time you post, it is more clear that you need to read more. I mean it in a sincere way and only care that you do thing right. You aren't ready yet. Do some more reading. Try reading the steroid profiles. Read the pct start times post. Read about steroid sides with higher bf%.

If you want to continue to be healthy, be patient. Make sure you ask the right questions and make sure you don't listen to just anyone. Your life as you know it could be the price you pay. The sides of steroids are real and vary person to person. And if you rush, you WILL have problems.

Good luck