Adex dosage??

[rdre1979]

Hey guys! Running a dbol/ test e cycle and was wondering what people recommend for Adex dose with it. .25mg eod to start and monitor? It is liquid Adex, any thoughts would be great, cheers!

[ScotchGuard02]

.25mg/eod is a good starter. Monitor yourself and if your nipples get sensitive go to .25mg/ed until it's gone and then go back to eod. I believe in not over medicating if you don't need to.

[clarky.]

Just wondering if you take .25 eod and you get sensitive and you put it up to .25 ed or higher when the sensitive goes away and you drop it back down wont it come back. Should you not stay on the higher dose because that whats right for you Just asking.

[MickeyKnox]

Just wondering if you take .25 eod and you get sensitive and you put it up to .25 ed or higher when the sensitive goes away and you drop it back down wont it come back. Should you not stay on the higher dose because that whats right for you Just asking.

You can titrate up to .25 ED protocol, or .5 EOD and then monitor. Depending on the individual this may be adjusted a few times during your cycle.

[Bio-Active]

I would go with .25 eod and adjust from there

[clarky.]

When i was on cycle tren / test i was on 1mg eod i know that is a lot for adex but that was what worked for me.

[songdog]

I would do the .25eod Bro.

[MickeyKnox]

When i was on cycle tren / test i was on 1mg eod i know that is a lot for adex but that was what worked for me.

It worked with respect to blood work, or how you felt and visual sides? If it was determined through blood work, then continue with 1mg eod. If not then as i suggested before, .25mg eod or ed and titrate up from there. But it sounds as though your are sensitive to E2.

[Bio-Active]

As usual have to agree with Mick

It worked with respect to blood work, or how you felt and visual sides? If it was determined through blood work, then continue with 1mg eod. If not then as i suggested before, .25mg eod or ed and titrate up from there. But it sounds as though your are sensitive to E2.

[JohnnyVegas]

You might want to consider doing blood work after a few weeks to see where your E2 is. I felt fine and had been using .25 ED but discovered my E2 was around 300 (should be 1/10th that) when I had blood work done. Do not go by "feel," go by blood work. It costs $45 at the place I use...totally worth it.

[Bio-Active]

Yes Yes and Yes To many people do not do proper Labs!

You might want to consider doing blood work after a few weeks to see where your E2 is. I felt fine and had been using .25 ED but discovered my E2 was around 300 (should be 1/10th that) when I had blood work done. Do not go by "feel," go by blood work. It costs $45 at the place I use...totally worth it.

[clarky.]

Hi guys i was not jumping in on 1997s post it was just a ? to scotchgaurd reply and it was just how i felt and visual thanks mickey

[JohnnyVegas]

When i was on cycle tren / test i was on 1mg eod i know that is a lot for adex but that was what worked for me.

I have talked to several guys that use .5mg ED (basically the same as you) so I don't think that is out of line at all. Everyone needs to find what works for them. In my case I discovered that what I thought was a solid dose wasn't even close.

[Capebuffalo]

For example I have to run .20 every day. Perfect for me and what I am running.

[MickeyKnox]

Im currently running 1ml = 25mg/day Aromasin to maintain E2

[clarky.]

I only ever used adex once i use aromasin now Thats why i asked scotchgaurd if your senstive and you up your ai and that fixed the probs why put it back down.was just trying to help the OP

[Perseverance1]

Hey guys! Running a dbol/ test e cycle and was wondering what people recommend for Adex dose with it. .25mg eod to start and monitor? It is liquid Adex, any thoughts would be great, cheers!

How much dbol and how much test? Why has no one asked this yet???

[rdre1979]

Haha, all good Clarky!! The cycle is 30mg dbol ed 4 weeks, 500mg test-e / week 12 weeks. PCT nolva 40/40/20/20 + Clomid 100/100/50/50.

[clarky.]

No hcg it makes it easier and quicker for your pct recovery. And .25 will probs be ok just adjust as needed and imo i would stay with that dose.

[MickeyKnox]

Haha, all good Clarky!! The cycle is 30mg dbol ed 4 weeks, 500mg test-e / week 12 weeks. PCT nolva 40/40/20/20 + Clomid 100/100/50/50.

No need to double up on the second wks of your PCT.

hCG on cycle @ 250iu 2/wk day before your test injection will prevent testicular atrophy and assist in a smooth transition from on cycle to PCT.

[JohnnyVegas]

How much dbol and how much test? Why has no one asked this yet???

I didn't ask because everyone is different and the important thing is to start the AI at the beginning of the cycle. I recommended what is a low enough dose to not bottom most people out but gives a good starting point that can be adjusted after getting blood work done a couple of weeks in.

This imprecise way of doing it is temporary since acne, bloating and emotional state should quickly provide clues for adjustment...even though I still recommend blood work.

[rdre1979]

Mickey, you suggest a 4 wk PCT as I have planned without doubling wk 2?

[MickeyKnox]

Mickey, you suggest a 4 wk PCT as I have planned without doubling wk 2?

Thats correct.

[Allaaro]

I guess I'm in the minority with believing that when test levels raise, estrogen levels raise with it and your body can balance itself. No adex needed unless you actually have side effects. I have zero issues with gyno though and high DHT levels to help that also. Even if estrogen levels are up at 300 or whatever. If you feel fine and your test levels are way above normal range also, those estrogen levels are fine.

[MickeyKnox]

I guess I'm in the minority with believing that when test levels raise, estrogen levels raise with it and your body can balance itself. No adex needed unless you actually have side effects. I have zero issues with gyno though and high DHT levels to help that also. Even if estrogen levels are up at 300 or whatever. If you feel fine and your test levels are way above normal range also, those estrogen levels are fine.

E2 levels at 300 are fine? Did i read that correctly? Have you any research or information on symptoms of elevated estrogen levels that you cannot "feel" or "see"?

This is a serious question and not meant to flame.

[Bio-Active]

This Is why I preach labs before during and after cycles!!

[Allaaro]

E2 levels at 300 are fine? Did i read that correctly? Have you any research or information on symptoms of elevated estrogen levels that you cannot "feel" or "see"?

This is a serious question and not meant to flame.

300 would be a bit exaggerated....since I'm sure there would be symptoms that you could feel or see. My main point it just you don't know how the cycle is going to affect you, why throw another chem in the mix if it's not needed? Especially when people are afraid of results on bloodwork if estrogen comes back high....and they feel great. It should be high if your on a cycle with no AI. If you aren't gyno prone, aren't bloated like crazy, mood and libido is good....don't go adding in adex just because some people on a forum tell you to. Use the medication for problems only if needed. But there could be the guy who can run 1-2grams of test and with no AI and the guy who needs AI on 500mg.....it's trial and error, with bloodwork as a guide. But don't just follow the numbers.

It's all different for each person. Myself, I find even on TRT that E2 at bit less then double the 'ideal range' is where my 'ideal' numbers are. If I was just listening to others and going by blood results I'd still feel like shit with no libido.

[gixxerboy1]

High estrogen has alot of side effects you cant feel. So u are correct your levels will be high on cycle. And u will be hurting yourself just becausevu think u feel fine. I nevet get gyno. I can run 2 grams and not get it. I still always use an ai.

[MuscleInk]

300 would be a bit exaggerated....since I'm sure there would be symptoms that you could feel or see. My main point it just you don't know how the cycle is going to affect you, why throw another chem in the mix if it's not needed? Especially when people are afraid of results on bloodwork if estrogen comes back high....and they feel great. It should be high if your on a cycle with no AI. If you aren't gyno prone, aren't bloated like crazy, mood and libido is good....don't go adding in adex just because some people on a forum tell you to. Use the medication for problems only if needed. But there could be the guy who can run 1-2grams of test and with no AI and the guy who needs AI on 500mg.....it's trial and error, with bloodwork as a guide. But don't just follow the numbers.

It's all different for each person. Myself, I find even on TRT that E2 at bit less then double the 'ideal range' is where my 'ideal' numbers are. If I was just listening to others and going by blood results I'd still feel like shit with no libido.

Allaaro,

I hear this all too often that it not only concerns me but shows me that people really do NOT spend enough time understanding the effects of manipulating hormones with steroids. While I will agree that taking too much of an AI can have undesirable and potentially harmful effects, there are far greater concerns than gyno or bloating with elevated E2. With increasing estrogen, hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, heart attack, deep vein thrombosis, and strokes become a significant risk. Does this mean every person with high estrogen levels is at risk for these? No, but without a complete medical hx (which we never have with members here) its simply not possible to know who is at risk and how significant that risk may be. Moreover, strokes, heart attacks, and DVTs are often asymptomatic, yet deadly.

It would be foolish IMO for someone to manipulate their natural hormones and assume they don't need an AI unless they are symptomatic. It creates an unnecessary risk. I will also agree the the optimal level of E2 will vary from person to person but I believe it is careless to assume one can avoid an AI unless there are clinical presentations of high estrogen. There is simply no way of knowing, a priori, what the optimal level of E2 would be for each person.

Routine BW would be create for keeping E2 in check, but the reality is, most people don't have routine BW due to cost, insurance, access, convenience, or any other factor.

[>Good Luck<]

Allaaro,

I hear this all too often that it not only concerns me but shows me that people really do NOT spend enough time understanding the effects of manipulating hormones with steroids. While I will agree that taking too much of an AI can have undesirable and potentially harmful effects, there are far greater concerns than gyno or bloating with elevated E2. With increasing estrogen, hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, heart attack, deep vein thrombosis, and strokes become a significant risk. Does this mean every person with high estrogen levels is at risk for these? No, but without a complete medical hx (which we never have with members here) its simply not possible to know who is at risk and how significant that risk may be. Moreover, strokes, heart attacks, and DVTs are often asymptomatic, yet deadly.

It would be foolish IMO for someone to manipulate their natural hormones and assume they don't need an AI unless they are symptomatic. It creates an unnecessary risk. I will also agree the the optimal level of E2 will vary from person to person but I believe it is careless to assume one can avoid an AI unless there are clinical presentations of high estrogen. There is simply no way of knowing, a priori, what the optimal level of E2 would be for each person.

Routine BW would be create for keeping E2 in check, but the reality is, most people don't have routine BW due to cost, insurance, access, convenience, or any other factor.

That's a wicked response bro. I was reading this thread because I feel like my AI made me feel like crap last cycle. I was feeling like I should skip it this upcoming cycle but now after reading your post it make it a bit more clear as to why it is necessary.

Sorry to jack the thread but I feel this question can help anyone else trying to understand the use of AI and e2 management... If I was taking liquidex at .25eod and felt very sluggish on cycle and often couldn't stay awake, had some moodiness and got sick randomly, could my e2 have been too low? Could I try .25mg e3d to see how I react to that? Cuz for me the only benefit of the AI that I noticed was less acne...which was great

[Fllifter]

Awesome response MI , I have some buddies that I try and get to run an Ai but refuse to (because they don't get gyno so they think there's no need) I'm just gonna save your response and show them .

[MuscleInk]

That's a wicked response bro. I was reading this thread because I feel like my AI made me feel like crap last cycle. I was feeling like I should skip it this upcoming cycle but now after reading your post it make it a bit more clear as to why it is necessary.

Sorry to jack the thread but I feel this question can help anyone else trying to understand the use of AI and e2 management... If I was taking liquidex at .25eod and felt very sluggish on cycle and often couldn't stay awake, had some moodiness and got sick randomly, could my e2 have been too low? Could I try .25mg e3d to see how I react to that? Cuz for me the only benefit of the AI that I noticed was less acne...which was great

AI dosing is a bit tricky. Two people can take the same dose and have very different outcomes. Another problem is that some symptoms of low E are also the same with high E (libido, ED, lethargy, joint/muscle pain, etc.). BW is more definitive for checking E2, but its not practical for most people to check it regularly. I always recommend the lowest possible dose of Adex to start: .25 EOD. Adex has a half life of nearly 48 hours, so extending your dose to E3D should pose a significant concern.

Another option could be aromasin. One benefit of exemestane is that is has less of an effect on lipids than Adex which is a huge benefit for people prone to hypercholesterolemia an hypertension. The disadvantage of stane/aromasin is that its a "suicide inhibitor" and has more permanent effect on receptor coupling.

Try the Adex at 0.25 E3D and see how you feel. Keep me informed. I'd be interested in your feedback.

[MuscleInk]

Awesome response MI , I have some buddies that I try and get to run an Ai but refuse to (because they don't get gyno so they think there's no need) I'm just gonna save your response and show them .

Happy to help.

[>Good Luck<]

AI dosing is a bit tricky. Two people can take the same dose and have very different outcomes. Another problem is that some symptoms of low E are also the same with high E (libido, ED, lethargy, joint/muscle pain, etc.). BW is more definitive for checking E2, but its not practical for most people to check it regularly. I always recommend the lowest possible dose of Adex to start: .25 EOD. Adex has a half life of nearly 48 hours, so extending your dose to E3D should pose a significant concern.

Another option could be aromasin. One benefit of exemestane is that is has less of an effect on lipids than Adex which is a huge benefit for people prone to hypercholesterolemia an hypertension. The disadvantage of stane/aromasin is that its a "suicide inhibitor" and has more permanent effect on receptor coupling.

Try the Adex at 0.25 E3D and see how you feel. Keep me informed. I'd be interested in your feedback.

One last thing... What the f--- is "suicide inhibitor"

[MuscleInk]

One last thing... What the f--- is "suicide inhibitor"

Well....without complicating the answer with reference to covalent bonds and such, the short answer is that aromasin permanently binds to aromatase enzymes, preventing them from converting androgen into estrogen.

[MickeyKnox]

Allaaro,

I hear this all too often that it not only concerns me but shows me that people really do NOT spend enough time understanding the effects of manipulating hormones with steroids. While I will agree that taking too much of an AI can have undesirable and potentially harmful effects, there are far greater concerns than gyno or bloating with elevated E2. With increasing estrogen, hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, heart attack, deep vein thrombosis, and strokes become a significant risk. Does this mean every person with high estrogen levels is at risk for these? No, but without a complete medical hx (which we never have with members here) its simply not possible to know who is at risk and how significant that risk may be. Moreover, strokes, heart attacks, and DVTs are often asymptomatic, yet deadly.

It would be foolish IMO for someone to manipulate their natural hormones and assume they don't need an AI unless they are symptomatic. It creates an unnecessary risk. I will also agree the the optimal level of E2 will vary from person to person but I believe it is careless to assume one can avoid an AI unless there are clinical presentations of high estrogen. There is simply no way of knowing, a priori, what the optimal level of E2 would be for each person.

Routine BW would be create for keeping E2 in check, but the reality is, most people don't have routine BW due to cost, insurance, access, convenience, or any other factor.

I always enjoy your responses, particularly the elegant way in which you present your medically backed up opinions.

[clarky.]

That was great info mi