Second Cycle Thoughts

[tawab369]

Hi Everyone!

Cycle History
Anavar for 12 weeks at 40mg/ED
Side- low libido

My Stats-
Age-25
Weight-185
Height- 5 10
Lifting- 8 years
BF- 8%

Anyways my plan for my second cycle is this

Goal- Get up to 200lbs

And no i do not wish to use any injectables, so that is not an option.

Week 1-4 Anavar 40mg ED
Week 1-8 Turinabol 60mg ED
Week 8-12 Nolvadex 20/20/20/20
Week 8-12 Toremifene 60/60/60/60
Week 8-14 Aromasin 25/25/25/25/25/25
Week 1-16 Milk Thistle 2000IU

Let me know what you guys think, i have 100 anavar tabs, and 350 turinabol tabs

[MickeyKnox]

If injections are not an option for you, then neither should AAS. Period.

[tawab369]

Obviously if your not going to say anything useful, you can just not reply mickey..... that simple

[Capebuffalo]

I have to agree with Mickey.
Wow. That's a plan I guess.

[AD]

Obviously if your not going to say anything useful, you can just not reply mickey..... that simple

if you're not going to listen to educated opinion from senior members here, why do you even ask the question?

[MuscleInk]

You've gotten great advice from some of the top minds on anabolic use. These guys are guiding you based on years of experience. An oral only cycle is foolish.

[tawab369]

Yes i know that oral only cycles are frowned upon, but i did one already and i have no interest in doing test or putting test into a cycle, atleast not yet anyways..... maybe once i have a few more kids but the point of my cycles is only to suppress test production and not to shut it down completely... thats why if there is any exogenous test, you will automatically shut down, which i do not desire.... this is why i chose orals for now

[tawab369]

Also another reason for staying away from injectables, is i have had gyno since puberty and even with cycles of hgh with aromasin/letro, they still agitate my gyno so that is why i stay away from test/any injectables...

[JohnnyVegas]

I think you might want to do more reading on what will and won't shut you down.

[austinite]

Either way. You will feel baby aspirin before you feel 40mg of var.

I would reconsider this approach so that you don't waste money and maximize your results.

[songdog]

I agree with everything said.You think you are safe with orals only.But nothing could be farther from the truth.You are shutting down your test flow and not replacing it with test as a base.So until you know wat you are doing.I would suggest you show a little respect to those who do.And are taking the time to help you.

[tawab369]

i felt 40mg of var before extremely well so i doubt that advice and also its not that i do not respect their opinions but their opinions are not advice, advice is something that will aid you, nothing anyone has said is going to help at all.... not everyone has to use test as a base, just because it is common doesnt mean it is needed!!!
TO SONGDOG-
when did i say any steriods are safe at all? obviously you cant read of something. FIRST OFF ANAVAR AND TBOL ONLY SUPPRESS TESTOSTERONE AND DO NOT HAVE COMPLETE SHUTDOWN!!!! BUT IF ANY EXOGENOUS TEST IS ADDED IT RESULTS IN COMPLETE SHUTDOWN!!! SO DO NOT THINK YOU ARE SOME KNOW IT ALL, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT.... I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM DOING BECAUSE I HAVE DONE TONS OF RESEARCH AND HAVE TONS OF KNOWLEDGE ON THE CYCLE. AND IM ONLY RUNNING 100MG AT A TIMES, WHICH IS NOT THAT HIGH, ITS JUST LIKE RUNNING 100MG OF VAR BUT INSTEAD I AM DOING 40/60

[songdog]

i felt 40mg of var before extremely well so i doubt that advice and also its not that i do not respect their opinions but their opinions are not advice, advice is something that will aid you, nothing anyone has said is going to help at all.... not everyone has to use test as a base, just because it is common doesnt mean it is needed!!!
TO SONGDOG-
when did i say any steriods are safe at all? obviously you cant read of something. FIRST OFF ANAVAR AND TBOL ONLY SUPPRESS TESTOSTERONE AND DO NOT HAVE COMPLETE SHUTDOWN!!!! BUT IF ANY EXOGENOUS TEST IS ADDED IT RESULTS IN COMPLETE SHUTDOWN!!! SO DO NOT THINK YOU ARE SOME KNOW IT ALL, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT.... I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM DOING BECAUSE I HAVE DONE TONS OF RESEARCH AND HAVE TONS OF KNOWLEDGE ON THE CYCLE. AND IM ONLY RUNNING 100MG AT A TIMES, WHICH IS NOT THAT HIGH, ITS JUST LIKE RUNNING 100MG OF VAR BUT INSTEAD I AM DOING 40/60

Tell that to the kid who has ED problems now he also ran a Var only cycle.Everyones system is different some can take it others cant.WHY risk hurting your body over something this dumb.

[MickeyKnox]

i felt 40mg of var before extremely well so i doubt that advice and also its not that i do not respect their opinions but their opinions are not advice, advice is something that will aid you, nothing anyone has said is going to help at all.... not everyone has to use test as a base, just because it is common doesnt mean it is needed!!!
TO SONGDOG-
when did i say any steriods are safe at all? obviously you cant read of something. FIRST OFF ANAVAR AND TBOL ONLY SUPPRESS TESTOSTERONE AND DO NOT HAVE COMPLETE SHUTDOWN!!!! BUT IF ANY EXOGENOUS TEST IS ADDED IT RESULTS IN COMPLETE SHUTDOWN!!! SO DO NOT THINK YOU ARE SOME KNOW IT ALL, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT.... I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM DOING BECAUSE I HAVE DONE TONS OF RESEARCH AND HAVE TONS OF KNOWLEDGE ON THE CYCLE. AND IM ONLY RUNNING 100MG AT A TIMES, WHICH IS NOT THAT HIGH, ITS JUST LIKE RUNNING 100MG OF VAR BUT INSTEAD I AM DOING 40/60

First of all, dose and length of cycle determines if Var will shut you down or suppress you. And secondly, you've been given some solid and accurate advice by members here based upon your health, as the number one concern.

When you calm down, take a look through these threads. Pay particular attention to the thread on the oral only cycle a young person did and the results of that cycle.


Cycles Gone Wrong for the Young

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UL2db2fX_fs


22 Y/O Failed restart
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...p#.ULwJEWfX_fs

20 Y/O HPTA would not restart
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ow-test-again)

19 Y/O ED Problems
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIXL-W_A_wk

18 Y/O Complications for 20 years.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ng-roids-at-18

20 Y/O Sexual Complications.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ny-years-later...

20 Y/O Full of Regrets
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ull-of-regrets

18 Y/O Major Complications
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...at-18...-I-did.

19 Y/O Permanent Damage
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...rmanent-damage

20 Y/O Severe Anxiety and Erectile Dysfunction
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-2-years-later.

20 Y/O with Gyno
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...seeking-advice.

17 Y/O Stunted Growth
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-and-need-help!!!

22 Y/O Did Not Recover HPTA
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...after-4-months

[tawab369]

After reading those i am still certain i will be fine, key things all those retards did, no pct and failure of knowledge.... again i do not have that problem so again more wasted opinions...

[MuscleInk]

i felt 40mg of var before extremely well so i doubt that advice and also its not that i do not respect their opinions but their opinions are not advice, advice is something that will aid you, nothing anyone has said is going to help at all.... not everyone has to use test as a base, just because it is common doesnt mean it is needed!!!
TO SONGDOG-
when did i say any steriods are safe at all? obviously you cant read of something. FIRST OFF ANAVAR AND TBOL ONLY SUPPRESS TESTOSTERONE AND DO NOT HAVE COMPLETE SHUTDOWN!!!! BUT IF ANY EXOGENOUS TEST IS ADDED IT RESULTS IN COMPLETE SHUTDOWN!!! SO DO NOT THINK YOU ARE SOME KNOW IT ALL, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT.... I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM DOING BECAUSE I HAVE DONE TONS OF RESEARCH AND HAVE TONS OF KNOWLEDGE ON THE CYCLE. AND IM ONLY RUNNING 100MG AT A TIMES, WHICH IS NOT THAT HIGH, ITS JUST LIKE RUNNING 100MG OF VAR BUT INSTEAD I AM DOING 40/60

If you know exactly what you are doing and have tons of knowledge, why bother asking then? Go on your way and do what you know is best.

Furthermore, just because someone's advice isn't what you want to hear, doesn't mean it isn't advice. You can chose to follow or ignore their advice. It's as simple as that. If this is the first time in your life that someone told you something you didn't want to hear or didn't agree with, get used to it. That's life. Not everyone is going to agree with you all the time, just as I'm sure not everyone has agreed with advice you thought was valuable.

Most of the guys that have offered their FREE time and input to advise you, have years of training and cycle experience and know vastly more about these things than most people you will meet anywhere else. If you question their experience or advice, fine. No one is going to make you do what you don't want to do. You came here asking for our help. We didn't make you come here. If you doubt the advice of people more experienced than you on how to perform your cycle to obtain the best results and limit the risks or unpleasant side effects, that is your prerogative and you are free to do what you in your mind believe is best.

Just don't come here asking for advice and then try to tell the more experienced, knowledgable members they don't know what they are talking about. When you actually need their help, you may not get it.

[MickeyKnox]

After reading those i am still certain i will be fine, key things all those retards did, no pct and failure of knowledge.... again i do not have that problem so again more wasted opinions...

Sorry for wasting your time.

[MickeyKnox]

If you know exactly what you are doing and have tons of knowledge, why bother asking then? Go on your way and do what you know is best.

Furthermore, just because someone's advice isn't what you want to hear, doesn't mean it isn't advice. You can chose to follow or ignore their advice. It's as simple as that. If this is the first time in your life that someone told you something you didn't want to hear or didn't agree with, get used to it. That's life. Not everyone is going to agree with you all the time, just as I'm sure not everyone has agreed with advice you thought was valuable.

Most of the guys that have offered their FREE time and input to advise you, have years of training and cycle experience and know vastly more about these things than most people you will meet anywhere else. If you question their experience or advice, fine. No one is going to make you do what you don't want to do. You came here asking for our help. We didn't make you come here. If you doubt the advice of people more experienced than you on how to perform your cycle to obtain the best results and limit the risks or unpleasant side effects, that is your prerogative and you are free to do what you in your mind believe is best.

Just don't come here asking for advice and then try to tell the more experienced, knowledgable members they don't know what they are talking about. When you actually need their help, you may not get it.

Exactly.

[ghettoboyd]

After reading those i am still certain i will be fine, key things all those retards did, no pct and failure of knowledge.... again i do not have that problem so again more wasted opinions...

this type of crap is exactly why I rarely do q+a anymore...if you know it all bro than what are you doing here...you are missing the point here...what makes you so certain that you will be fine?...reasurch? come on man...any ways good luck, I look forward to your "shit I didn't listen to you guys and now my dick dosent work" thread...should be stellar....