On for four months - still no ball shrinkage

[The_locomotive]

I've been doing about 600mg of test a week, 150mg masterone, 150mg tren a week, and 20 mg of dbol a week.
I've been on this cycle since about the middle of August (too long, yeah I know).
Still my balls have not shrunk at all - isn't that quite strange?

When I think of it, I've never experienced any shrinkage worth mentioning, but then again this is my toughest cycle by far. What can I deduce from this? That I am still not completely shut down? Seems strange, as my last cycle left me emotional like a teenage girl with zero sex drive for about 6 weeks (yeah, I did HCG, clomid and nolva PCT).

[Lunk1]

Not everyone experiences atrophy...I do not!

Why are you running 150mg EW Mast and 150mg EW tren? Seems like a waste of space in the pin!

[gonebluffn]

What made you choose this cycle?

[songdog]

That is one bad cycle Bro.And I dont get atrophy

[kelkel]

You guys are nuts. Just some bigger than the others.....

[likelifting]

I'm eperiencing shrinkage this time and hcg not bringing the boys back yet. Just ordered some new hcg to see if it helps.

[The_locomotive]

Not everyone experiences atrophy...I do not!

Why are you running 150mg EW Mast and 150mg EW tren? Seems like a waste of space in the pin!

I wanted to run a test + EQ cycle or a test + masterone cycle, but my source has trouble providing EQ and mast. What I have now is test and a "cut mix" consisting of 50 mg/ml test, 50 mg/ml mast and 50 mg/kl of tren.

Since I want to keep my weekly dose at a little under a gram, with mostly testosterone, this is what I ended up with. As I said, I would like to get some masterone or EQ instead, and I am checking the possibility of buying either (or both) in bulk, but I would have to buy at least 25 bottles at once. Fair enough, if my dealer can provide it.

[Lunk1]

What are your stats and experience? My oinion is that 150mg mast a week is a waste and 150 mg a week of tren is "ok" but def low end
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[songdog]

Bro wat was your purpose of running this cycle? And I agree with Lunk on the doses.

[The_locomotive]

What are your stats and experience? My oinion is that 150mg mast a week is a waste and 150 mg a week of tren is "ok" but def low end
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I'm about 6"2 and about 265lbs. I don't do body building, so I don't know my fat %, but I have four visible abs now (while on bulk). I squat 500lbs four reps (with nothing but a belt) and deadlift about 700lbs with a deadlift suit and a belt only.
My bench is poor after a severely torn pec, but I can stil do about 400lbs (I do mostly overhead presses for strongman anyway).

Personally I believe that the total amount of gear is what matters the most, so 600 + 150 + 150 = 900mg. Well, roughly, as some substances are stronger than others of course. But I don't think that (for example) 900 mg of test only would produce better results as the total amount of juice is the same.

I do however agree that 300mg of one substance would be better than 150mg of each. Too bad that my supplier couldn't fix that. He could get me deca, but both deca and tren seem to screw up my erections, and I do love getting laid like a rock star, so those substances in large doses are out of the question.

[The_locomotive]

Bro wat was your purpose of running this cycle? And I agree with Lunk on the doses.

I always juice to build strength, period!

I have increased my deadlift with about 25-35lbs, which is quite good considering I'm deadlifting about 700lbs now. Obviously gains don't come as quickly for a 700lbs lifter as they do for someone who can only deadlift 500lbs for example.
My strenght has increased substantially in the rest of my body too, but a torn quad made me sceptical to do a 1RM in the squat, so I did 4 X 500lbs to a deep box instead (after it had healed). No point in risking a major quad tear.

I also did three easy reps with about 355lbs in the bench press on a bad day, before pulling my right pec on the last rep. I think I had a lot more in me, though.
Working like an animal at the office, while moving to a new apartment, pushing myself at the gym, juggling way too many women at the same time, and not getting proper sleep was probably the reason I got these two injuries in rapid succession. They have both healed now, though, and I am considering going for another 1RM in the deadlift to see if I have another 10lbs in me. I also want to do some heavy overhead presses to test my pressing power without bench pressing and risk re-injury.

[Lunk1]

You are a clueless about AAS huh big boy lol. 6'2 265 is great but I'm guessing you are more of a powerlifter with higher BF...just a guess. Each compound has an A/A ratio and is compared to test. So I would concern myslef less with the overall mg amount and more with how much of WHAT am I taking. For example, Mast is more of a finishing compound that is normally used for those with very low BF who are about to step on stage. It has the ability to help muscle get the fiberous look. My guess is your BF is high enough that the Mast is simply being wasted.

Tren has the strongest A/A ratio and is noted for being 5X the strength of test..so while you are concerned with overall doses remember that 100mg of tren is liken to 500mg of test! Now...I personally do not feel like I am running 2.g grams of test on 500mg of tren but you see my point.

Deca and tren dont screw up your erection...high or low E2 and high prolactin or a combo of both mess up your erection. Are you using an AI?

[The_locomotive]

You are a clueless about AAS huh big boy lol. 6'2 265 is great but I'm guessing you are more of a powerlifter with higher BF...just a guess. Each compound has an A/A ratio and is compared to test. So I would concern myslef less with the overall mg amount and more with how much of WHAT am I taking. For example, Mast is more of a finishing compound that is normally used for those with very low BF who are about to step on stage. It has the ability to help muscle get the fiberous look. My guess is your BF is high enough that the Mast is simply being wasted.

Tren has the strongest A/A ratio and is noted for being 5X the strength of test..so while you are concerned with overall doses remember that 100mg of tren is liken to 500mg of test! Now...I personally do not feel like I am running 2.g grams of test on 500mg of tren but you see my point.

Deca and tren dont screw up your erection...high or low E2 and high prolactin or a combo of both mess up your erection. Are you using an AI?

If you read the steroid profile on masterone on this site you'll see that it is has a use other than just being a cutting substance, although I do agree that it's not optimal for bulking. To say that it is "wasted" is IMO an exxageration. I have used a testo + mast cycle in the past (with mostly test). It gave me great strength gains. It is after all an ANABOLIC steroid. ...even though not the optimal choice for bulking.
Then again tren is - as you write yourself - a very strong substance, so adding something that won't aromatize and make me evern more bloated made sense. Again - I would prefer to do a test + EQ cycle only, maybe with some dbol, but as we all know steroids can't be bought at the local supermarket and somethimes we have to use what we can get our hands on.

I'm considering a test + mast + dbol cycle, as the test and dbol will give strength gains and masterone won't make me all bloated. Since I always bulk and never cut - and prefer long cycles - I don't want to use a lot of very "hard" drugs like anadrol or trenbolone for health reasons. I may be "odd", but I like to try different things and see what works for me. As long as the main compound in all my cycles is good old testosterone I don't think I'm way off by experimenting a bit and being somewhat unconventional.

I always use nolvadex on my cycles and hcg, nolva and clomid for pct.

I'm pretty clueless when it comes to body building, so I'll just add a photo I took last month, since I'm incompetent when it comes to measuring my BF. All I care about is being strong, and lean enough to be somewhat athletic, have good overall health and be able get laid a lot.

[Lunk1]

Yes...mast does assist other AAS in binding binding to AR but for the $ and at thaat dose you wasting gear! Mast to be truelly effective as an androgen needs to be run at high doses. I prefer 600-800mg.

You say you dont want to use adrol and trenbelone "hard drugs" for health reason...what the hell do you think tren is lol?

Your bloating and rubber pee pee issues are no doubt related to E2 levels since you are NOT using an AI. Nolvadex on cyle is NOT an AI!

Your a big boy with what appears to be a shyt ton of genetic potential but your wasting cycles by not running them effectively!

I would consider dropping the blend and just concentrate on a 600mg EW test cycle but you need to get some adex or aromasin and run an AI...this is where the negetive sides loom!

[The_locomotive]

Yes...mast does assist other AAS in binding binding to AR but for the $ and at thaat dose you wasting gear! Mast to be truelly effective as an androgen needs to be run at high doses. I prefer 600-800mg.

Yeah, that is why I want to run a test and mast cycle only.

You say you dont want to use adrol and trenbelone "hard drugs" for health reason...what the hell do you think tren is lol?

I don't want to, but sometimes I have to, as my dealer was not able to provide me with what I wanted (mast or EQ).
All he had that was suitable was a mix of test, mast and tren alse he had pure test.

Your bloating and rubber pee pee issues are no doubt related to E2 levels since you are NOT using an AI. Nolvadex on cyle is NOT an AI!

I'm not very bloated now, and my dick works fine, a lot better than a "normal" person - but I might only get hard 2-3 times a day and not 24/7 like I usually do. It could be because I am very tired and lots of stress right now, though.
I usually do nolva, but I can also get clomid, don't know if my dealer can get me arimidex right now, though.

Your a big boy with what appears to be a shyt ton of genetic potential but your wasting cycles by not running them effectively!

I would consider dropping the blend and just concentrate on a 600mg EW test cycle but you need to get some adex or aromasin and run an AI...this is where the negetive sides loom!

Thanks - I have a strong back and legs, but my upper body strength is so-so. I end up getting injured if I push my pecs or shoulders too hard. Maybe it has to do with my long arms. Still, I work out like an animal, sometimes more than three hours of mainly heavy squatting, deadlifting and strongman excersises. My main issue is staying injury free (especially in the upper body) and gaining weight!! After having forked up $ 15 000 to a surgeon to make him do liposuction on more or less every part of my body from my hip all the way to my cheeks, my body simply has no place to store fat anymore LOL!

I'll talk to my dealer this weekend and see if he can hit me up with some EQ. Right now I have started doing 600mg a week of testo and 400 mg of masterone, as I have also been sceptical to my "lesser of two evils" choice of juice.
I have noticed that my erection seems to be neverending, and my sex drive is through the roof now, but then again it was like that on my previous test+mast+tren cycle also, until I was under so much stress that I threw up at times! I have been able to chill out and calm down now, for me the relentless stress of my work and the drama queens I have dated have given me way more problems (and "side effects") than steroids ever have!

Thanks for the feedback - your input is appriciated!

[Turkish Juicer]

@The_locomotive: You should get a comprehensive BW done soon and get your prostate checked for BPH. Also, an ultrasound for your heart can be very beneficial for determining whether the calcium deposits that have been forming in your heart cells due to generous doses of over-extended AAS use are at a critical level or not. You are so much better shape than what I had initially thought you would be while reading this thread, but you should also be able to know how you look on the inside, you know?

... lastly, Lunk1 gave you great advice regarding the importance of administrating an AI while cycling aromatizing AAS. I strongly recommend that you get a stack of pharm-grade Aromasin and immediately start using 12.5mg ED. Not only this will reduce the total amount of damage given to your body but both regarding your physique and your long-term sex drive, you will benefit from it on a level that words can hardly express.

[kelkel]

Extremely well said by Lunk and Turk! Get the AI. To many people make the mistake of judging their E2 levels by "gyno" only. There are far more damaging effects from high estrogen than gyno.

[The_locomotive]

@The_locomotive: You should get a comprehensive BW done soon and get your prostate checked for BPH. Also, an ultrasound for your heart can be very beneficial for determining whether the calcium deposits that have been forming in your heart cells due to generous doses of over-extended AAS use are at a critical level or not. You are so much better shape than what I had initially thought you would be while reading this thread, but you should also be able to know how you look on the inside, you know?

... lastly, Lunk1 gave you great advice regarding the importance of administrating an AI while cycling aromatizing AAS. I strongly recommend that you get a stack of pharm-grade Aromasin and immediately start using 12.5mg ED. Not only this will reduce the total amount of damage given to your body but both regarding your physique and your long-term sex drive, you will benefit from it on a level that words can hardly express.

You are refering to my four month cycle as being very long, or the post I wrote this summer where I wrote that I considered not going off, but just bridging?
I went off juice this summer until my test levels were in the normal range, before staring another cycle. Four months on is not really all that long, when the doses are moderate, and I will go off now after one more week. Well, I will taper down, so my last injection will be a very small amount of test only in the end of the first week of January (I will start with HCG on January 1st).

I actually thought that nolva was enough to combat estrogen, and I haven't experienced any side effects (that I know of) while being on juice, other than increased aggression and sex drive, but my sex drive goes from 500% of what is "normal" and down to - say 200% when I am very tired, sleepy or stressed. It's normal I think.

I will meet with my dealer tomorrow and see if he can get me some arimidex or aromasin. In the past I have not noticed any difference between using arimidex and nolva, so I just went with what was available. Thanks for the feedback.

[The_locomotive]

And by the way - I always do bloodwork after going off a cycle (to see how bad things are when at its worst), and before going on a new cycle.
I also did an EKG this summer and they couldn't find any signs of anything wrong with my heart.

[Lunk1]

If your going to argue each piece of advise your given then why ask for advise...Nolva is NOT an AI. They do not work the same.

[The_locomotive]

If your going to argue each piece of advise your given then why ask for advise...Nolva is NOT an AI. They do not work the same.

I just told you I would check to see if my dealer can get arimidex when I meet him tomorrow, so I am taking the advice!

But I will admit I see it as somewhat "hysterical" to call out doomsday prophecies just because someone has taken a moderate amount of steroids for four months using just nolva as an anti-E.
Remember tren does not aromatize, masterone is mild (and at only 150 mg a week), so that leaves 600 mg of test a week - and 40 mg of dbol for PARTS of the cycle. Not exactly a massive dose, compared to what a lot of guys have done for 10+ years without problems. I do however agree that safety is extremely important.

[kelkel]

Your last sentence is the key. Some people can cycle throughout their lives and never have a problem. Others can get screwed over on their first one.....

[The_locomotive]

Your last sentence is the key. Some people can cycle throughout their lives and never have a problem. Others can get screwed over on their first one.....

Yeah, I know - and I have seen those who can handle huge doses....but not for 20 years like they thought themselves.

I do however intend to keep my doses moderate, go off roids, do BW, do EKG, do anti-E and PCT etc.
The problem is that some people say "do arimidex - everything else is a waste of money!" other people say "nolva is better, and its more healthy as you need some estrogen" etc.
If you read the nolva profile on this very site, you will see that it says that one can use nolva OR an AI. And if someone dares to question an almighty guru....well, he is lucky if he just gets banned and not shot on site!

You see my point - I want to learn, and not just follow advice blindly. I also want to be told when things are not optimal, without wild exaggerations and over-dramatization. Steroids are powerful medicine and one has to keep his head out of his ass - I get it, but people have done 16 week cycles of moderate doses of (some) aromatizing steroids and nolva without being horribly crippled in the past. In the future I will try to add some AI - and I appriciate the advice.

But doing only AI is supposedly not healthy either, so maybe a mix of nolva and an AI? For example one tab of nolva before bedtime and one dose of AI in the morning?
That way I can remove some estrogen with the AI, and block the little amount that should be in my body for health reasons with nolva?