beginner's test c cycle @ 250mg/week?

[junior]

I've read in several articles that a mere 250mg/week of test cyp in human grade form can produce excellent gains for the beginner (assuming that the diet is in check). Although many of you say at least 400mg/week is the bare minimum. Can anyone please give me some insight on this? I'm not trying to get huge like Arnold, I just need something to take me to the next level. I figured for my very first cycle I'll start off low (250mg/week x's 8 weeks) and if I decide that I want more results, my second cycle will be 400mg/week. Also, is an AI really necessary during cycle at such a low dose of 250mg/week? I have arimidex on hand because I REALLY REALLY don't want to get gyno among other side effects. Maybe .25mg arimidex every other day just to be on the safe side? As far as my stats: 5'9", 175lbs, about 10% body fat. Thanks for your opinions/comments!

[Soar]

Welcome, I would stick to the 400-500 range for first run. I'm not sure of you'll get the results you want from 250/week. I would run an AI like you said regardless of the cycle you choose.

[OdinsOtherSon]

250 a week will definitely be enough to shut down your natty production, yet will most likely NOT be enough to give you significant or lasting results. 500mg given twice a week is by no means a large dose. As Soar suggested and you stated, run the AI and stick with 500mg. Do you have a PCT planned? Should probably look into HCG while on cycle as well. What are your current stats? How is your diet? FWIW, once you do that first cycle, you WILL want to do more. I would suggest that perhaps a bit more reading and research here would help in formulating a better, safer and more reliable cycle. Just my $0.02

[fit2bOld]

As stated 400 mg 250 is pretty equal to what happens in the body naturally. Why shut down natural production for no reason. The intrusion on your natural function and then having to restart with the possibility of not regaining full function. Seems crazy

[junior]

thanks for the reply brother! looks like i'll have to go and get another vial then.

[junior]

Odins, my pct is nolva 40/40/20/20 as this was one of the most common ones i've read so far. Since this is going to be my very first cycle, i wanted to keep it simple. Test only, arimidex during cycle, nolva for pct. My stats: 5'9", 175lbs, about 10% body fat. My diet is pretty good except for one thing...beer! I drink a lot on my days off from work (which is twice a week). I know, I'm killing myself but it's so hard to resist an ice cold one.

[junior]

fit2bold, thanks for educating me bro. as a newcomer, this can be very confusing since so many people have different and contradicting opinions.

[stpete]

To have a couple beers here and there is one thing, but to have a lot on your days off is different. I think you need to cut back on that before cycling and leave it alone while on as much as possible. It just dehydrates you and can help cause gyno issues. Just stay focused for a few months as working out on a consistent basis along w/having a strict diet, is hard enough for most. Complicated matters or making it more difficult to make the best of the cycle is kind of a waste imo.

Good Luck and Enjoy.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Odins, my pct is nolva 40/40/20/20 as this was one of the most common ones i've read so far. Since this is going to be my very first cycle, i wanted to keep it simple. Test only, arimidex during cycle, nolva for pct. My stats: 5'9", 175lbs, about 10% body fat. My diet is pretty good except for one thing...beer! I drink a lot on my days off from work (which is twice a week). I know, I'm killing myself but it's so hard to resist an ice cold one.

LOL. Yeah I hear ya man. I like a cold one myself but I've learned to tone it way down. I still have one or two a couple times a week but that's it. Moderation man!

I think the nolva looks good. Might consider having another serm on hand, just as a precaution and I agree that you should just pony up and get another vial! Good luck bro!

[junior]

stpete, thanks for your reply and i completely agree with you. it's gonna be hard though when i'm kicking it with the homies and everyone is making fun of me because i've only had a couple beers.

[junior]

thanks again odins

[gixxerboy1]

I have to say i dont agree. 250 mgs can give good gains. Most who are sayong no probablt never tried it. I did for first cycle and wad.more then happy. And 250 mg is more then what u produce normally. And hifher then a trt dose. Im on 100mg every 5th day for trt and dr wants to lower it because im over 1100 on bw

[MickeyKnox]

Junior,

Take a look at this thread. It may shed some light on a few of your questions..


Most Common Beginners Cycles

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

[kelkel]

^^Shameless bump.....

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[MickeyKnox]

You know me..Ha!

[kelkel]

Yes I do. Merry Xmas Mick!

[MickeyKnox]

Back atcha Kel!

[Emerald]

I started st 250mg test e. But, after dipping my toe in the roid waters and consulting the wise vets I bumped to 500mg. My reason for upping does was mostly a desire to get strong results while staying healthy. I just pinned my 7th time and have turned a very cool corner. I'm pushing weights for 7-10 reps I couldn't get a single from pre cycle. This equals harder bigger muscles and an ever increasing motivation. Until you run gear you'll only be able to guess what it's like. I know what the fuss is now....shit works.

[junior]

gixxerboy1, thanks for your response. As far as your first cycle, was it a simple test only cycle? What kinds of gains did you produce as far as muscle gains in pounds and loss in body fat?

[junior]

mickey, thanks for your response brother! I read that thread not too long ago and found it very educational. I even copy/paste it to my phone so that i could use it as guide. Much appreciated bro!

[junior]

kelkel, thanks for the reply but i have no idea what you mean by that. sorry, i'm new to the forum and unfamiliar with some of the lingo here.

[junior]

emerald, thanks for the response. dude, i'm impressed if that's really you in the picture (no homo)!

[gixxerboy1]

gixxerboy1, thanks for your response. As far as your first cycle, was it a simple test only cycle? What kinds of gains did you produce as far as muscle gains in pounds and loss in body fat?

i gained about 12-15lbs, couldnt tell you the bf it was so long ago

[DeadlyD]

At your stats you could achieve decent gains from 250mgs a week, I would say go 400mgs also 8 weeks is a little short for that long ester, I would push it to 10-12 weeks and ad clomid to pct
70/70/50/50

[>Good Luck<]

What's the point. For what it'll cost you, if you spend it on food you'll do better

[junior]

DeadlyD, thanks for your words of wisdom bro!

[OnTheGas]

Ive tryed running 250mg of test e but was much more satisfied with 500mg, i also have low t lrvels but i think you should bump it up. Good luck man!

[junior]

onthegas, thanks for your insight bro! did you experience any gains at 250mg/week?

Ive tryed running 250mg of test e but was much more satisfied with 500mg, i also have low t lrvels but i think you should bump it up. Good luck man!

[Lphillips]

As stated 400 mg 250 is pretty equal to what happens in the body naturally. Why shut down natural production for no reason. The intrusion on your natural function and then having to restart with the possibility of not regaining full function. Seems crazy

Is this for Cyp or Prop?

[OdinsOtherSon]

Is this for Cyp or Prop?

Either. Test is test. The only difference in cyp and prop is the length of the ester.

[Lphillips]

Which do you recommend? I thought prop was better for cutting? Not sure with test I've only used tren?

[Lphillips]

Either. Test is test. The only difference in cyp and prop is the length of the ester.

Which do you recommend? I thought prop was better for cutting? Not sure with test I've only used tren?

[OdinsOtherSon]

Which do you recommend? I thought prop was better for cutting? Not sure with test I've only used tren?

Bad Idea. Test should be the foundation of any cycle.

Again, test is test. Prop will be active in your system faster but has a MUCH shorter half life resulting in the need to pin much more frequently...as in ED or EOD. Sounds like you may need to immerse yourself into the forums and research AAS use on a very deep level.

Edit: Prop will tend to result in less water retention for most people, hence it being considered a good "cutting test."

[Lphillips]

Bad Idea. Test should be the foundation of any cycle.

Again, test is test. Prop will be active in your system faster but has a MUCH shorter half life resulting in the need to pin much more frequently...as in ED or EOD. Sounds like you may need to immerse yourself into the forums and research AAS use on a very deep level.

Ok thanks bro will look into it

[OdinsOtherSon]

We have guy around here...goes by the handle "MickeyKnox." He's full of it....good advice and info, that is. Check out a write up he put together. Lots of good stuff in there and an awesome place to start building knowledge. Good luck man!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...cles-Look-here

[Lphillips]

Yea that helped a lot bro thanks!! It's crazy now with Tren it's threw the roof an I've not been able to find test anywhere I've looked for weeks!!! Think you could point me in the right direction? Would be much appreciated

[kelkel]

Lp don't do that. No sourcing please.

kel

[Lphillips]

Oh sry just read the rules won't happen again

[Lunk1]

This thread got totally jacked but....OP 250 mg will give you a test rate FAR above your norm and as Gixx stated will result in good gains if diet and routine are locked on. Alot of guys on low TRT doses experience nice muscle gains when they begin their treatments. With that being said I still would start with 400-500 mg EW .

@Jphillips...are you useing tren with NO test base? STOP before you end up having to ask a bunch of "holy shyt, now what do I do" threads!

[GeriatricOne]

Alot of guys on low TRT doses experience nice muscle gains when they begin their treatments.!

Indeed. I am realizing modest gains on a TRT dose of just 130mg/week.