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    Nolvadex xt with DAA

    Tried DAA and bloated really bad. gained about 8 lbs in 1 week lol. Not an exaggeration, im extremely sensitive and react uniquely to a lot of supps and medicines.
    I have been reading that DAA has shown that it increases estrogen as well as test. I have a bottle of Nolvadex xt that i never used and was wondering if it would be effective to take that in conjunction with DAA.

    What Im trying to accomplish:

    Im a 32 year old ex boxer that is in ok shape. I would like to lose about 10 lb's wile maintaining strength. My diet is currently pretty clean. I thought about trying a small test cycle but I just dont feel like thats a fit right now. I just want a little test boost for maintaining strength wile i lean out and something that can give my over 30 ass a little motivation. I am interested in hearing opinions and experiences. If anyone has any other options I would love to hear them. Thanks fellas.

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    Thoughts anyone? Or is it just that stupid of a question lol.

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    Your right DAA does increase esrogen some too,,,Ive seen it in bloodwork.

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    would novadex xt help to combat that? it seems that this would work do to nolvas estrogen blocking properties

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    No. Nolva is a SERM. If your estrogen is rising you will need a solid AI like Arimidex or Aromasin, depending on bloodwork.

    As an aside, im amazed at your gains of 8lbs in one week while trying to diet down.



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    I know it sounds crazy and exaggerated but its the truth. Maybe only 6 pounds, it depends on the time of day that i weighed myself but def between 6 or 8.

    I didnt mean the SERM Nolva I ment the OTC Nolvadex xt made by gaspari. I believe the nolvaadex xt acts more like an AI. Correct me if im wrong please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ12 View Post
    I know it sounds crazy and exaggerated but its the truth. Maybe only 6 pounds, it depends on the time of day that i weighed myself but def between 6 or 8.

    I didnt mean the SERM Nolva I ment the OTC Nolvadex xt made by gaspari. I believe the nolvaadex xt acts more like an AI. Correct me if im wrong please.
    I don't use OTC products to control my E2, nor would i recommend them.

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    Ok cool. So do you think running an AI in conjunction with DAA would make sense or do you believe it would be a waste? Thanks Mickey

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

    I don't use OTC products to control my E2, nor would i recommend them.

    AI and SERM's can be purchased through the site sponsor above. AR-R.
    Ok cool. So do you think running an AI in conjunction with DAA would make sense or do you believe it would be a waste? Thanks Mickey

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    I think that if your bloodwork reveals your E2 levels are out of range and you feel like crap, i would include a small dose of a solid AI and monitor.

    When was the last time you had BW done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox
    I think that if your bloodwork reveals your E2 levels are out of range and you feel like crap, i would include a small dose of a solid AI and monitor.

    When was the last time you had BW done?
    Actually I never have. Not sure how to go about it. I had blood work done for Life ins policy however I do not believe they tested hormonal levels. How does one go about getting blood work. Just ask family Dr?

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    I would simply ask for a full blood panel and make sure you have all the major hormone profiles covered.

    Something like this;

    Full Blood Panel

    -Lipid Profile
    -Complete Blood Count w/ Differential
    -Estradiol
    -Hemoglobin A1c
    -Cardiac C-Reactive Protein Test, High Sensitivity
    -Insulin Growth Factor (IGF -1)
    -Thyroxine-Stimulating Hormone (TSH)
    -Gamma Glutamyl Transpeptidase (GGT)
    -Insulin, Fasting
    -Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
    -Luteinizing Hormone(LH)
    -Testosterone , Serum
    -Sex Hormone binding Globulin, Serum
    -Urinalysis, Routine
    -Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
    -Magnesium, Serum
    -Thyroxine (T4) Free, Direct
    -Iron, Serum w/ TIBC
    -Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate (DHEA)

    Includes:

    Cholesterol, total; high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol; low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (calculation); triglycerides; very low-density lipoprotein (VLDL) cholesterol (calculation);

    Hematocrit
    ; hemoglobin; mean corpuscular volume (MCV); mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH); mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration (MCHC); red cell distribution width (RDW); percentage and absolute differential counts; platelet count; red cell count; white blood cell count;

    Estradiol, serum; Sensitive Assay

    Hemoglobin (Hgb) A1c; Cardiac C-Reactive Protein, High Sensitivity; IGF-1;

    Thyroxine-Stimulating Hormone (TSH);Gamma Glutamyl Transpeptidase (GGT); Insulin; A:G ratio; albumin, serum; alkaline phosphatase, serum; ALT (SGPT); AST (SGOT); bilirubin, total;

    BUN; BUN:creatinine ratio; calcium, serum; carbon dioxide, total; chloride, serum; creatinine, serum; globulin, total; glucose, serum; potassium, serum; protein, total, serum; sodium, serum; Luteinizing Hormone(LH); Testosterone, Serum; Sex Hormone binding Globulin, serum; Color, appearance, specific gravity, pH, protein, glucose, ketones, occult blood, leukocyte esterase, nitrite, bilirubin, and urobilinogen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox
    I would simply ask for a full blood panel and make sure you have all the major hormone profiles covered.

    Something like this;

    Full Blood Panel

    -Lipid Profile
    -Complete Blood Count w/ Differential
    -Estradiol
    -Hemoglobin A1c
    -Cardiac C-Reactive Protein Test, High Sensitivity
    -Insulin Growth Factor (IGF -1)
    -Thyroxine-Stimulating Hormone (TSH)
    -Gamma Glutamyl Transpeptidase (GGT)
    -Insulin, Fasting
    -Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
    -Luteinizing Hormone(LH)
    -Testosterone , Serum
    -Sex Hormone binding Globulin, Serum
    -Urinalysis, Routine
    -Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
    -Magnesium, Serum
    -Thyroxine (T4) Free, Direct
    -Iron, Serum w/ TIBC
    -Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate (DHEA)

    Includes:

    Cholesterol, total; high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol; low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (calculation); triglycerides; very low-density lipoprotein (VLDL) cholesterol (calculation);

    Hematocrit; hemoglobin; mean corpuscular volume (MCV); mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH); mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration (MCHC); red cell distribution width (RDW); percentage and absolute differential counts; platelet count; red cell count; white blood cell count;

    Estradiol, serum; Sensitive Assay

    Hemoglobin (Hgb) A1c; Cardiac C-Reactive Protein, High Sensitivity; IGF-1;

    Thyroxine-Stimulating Hormone (TSH);Gamma Glutamyl Transpeptidase (GGT); Insulin; A:G ratio; albumin, serum; alkaline phosphatase, serum; ALT (SGPT); AST (SGOT); bilirubin, total;

    BUN; BUN:creatinine ratio; calcium, serum; carbon dioxide, total; chloride, serum; creatinine, serum; globulin, total; glucose, serum; potassium, serum; protein, total, serum; sodium, serum; Luteinizing Hormone(LH); Testosterone, Serum; Sex Hormone binding Globulin, serum; Color, appearance, specific gravity, pH, protein, glucose, ketones, occult blood, leukocyte esterase, nitrite, bilirubin, and urobilinogen.
    Damn Mickey your a beast brotha. I appreciate your knowledge and all of your help. I am gona check that out this week. So what do i do once i receive my blood work? I certainly will have no clue what im looking at lol. I guess I can get my Dr to explain however i wouldn't feel comfortable talking to him about taking steroids or even test boosters. Do you have any book recommendations? A book that breaks down endocrinology for the laymen?

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