I am 18 and on HRT. Should I run Winny?

[kingster129]

Hi guys. I am currently 18 years old and have been on 80mg of Test E/wk for 3 months.

My free testosterone has gone from 135 before therapy to 832 last week (however this blood test was done 2 hours after taking 80mg of testosterone-- not sure how that affects the measured testosterone level).

I've just now started to cut after a 3 month bulk and am interested in running Clen and T3 to facilitate with the cut, along with Winstrol for anti-catabolic effects during the cut.

I'm 6'3" 230 lbs.

It recently came to my attention that I am really young to be on HRT but my test levels were sh#t anyway from being extremely obese my entire life until last year.

Based on my current situation, would running Winstrol just while cutting be a bad idea (in terms of long term hormone development/regulation)? I'm talking about a really low oral dose, like 10mg 3x/day, including my current 80mg/wk test E.

I would get NAC. I have a fair amount of Aromasin too if I need that.

Last question- would I need some sort of PCT after discontinuing Winstrol?

Thank you for reading, appreciation to all advice and help.

[warmouth]

Do you know any reasonyour test may be low? Anddo you know what it is?

[warmouth]

Do you know any reasonyour test may be low? Anddo you know what it is?
EDIT- was it 135 and now 832 after? I am having a hard time reading tonight, cant find my glasses.

[kelkel]

^^this and what exactly was your diagnosis that put you on TRT.

[kingster129]

Do you know any reasonyour test may be low? Anddo you know what it is?

My Endo believed it was due to being obese my entire life. Like I said my free testosterone was measured at 832 last week but this may be high due to the fact my blood was taken a few hours after my weekly injection.

My free testosterone was 135 3-4 months ago prior to treatment. I had an MRI before treatment and there was no apparent pituitary complications.

[Bertuzzi]

My Endo believed it was due to being obese my entire life. Like I said my free testosterone was measured at 832 last week but this may be high due to the fact my blood was taken a few hours after my weekly injection.

My free testosterone was 135 3-4 months ago prior to treatment. I had an MRI before treatment and there was no apparent pituitary complications.

Your test levels would not be effected because you did your injection a few hours before.... Too bad to hear you're on TRT at such a young age, but at least the doc didn't put you on Anti D's like most of them try to do.

[kelkel]

Well, obesity can be corrected. What was the cause of the obesity? Lifestyle, thyroid issues....?

Of course if your on injections your T will be high. Timing of BW and your injection protocol is between you and your doc. You've been on TRT for a whole 3 months. That's no time at all. You should not be adding anything else to it. What you should be doing is finding another doctor and getting a proper diagnosis and hopefully getting off of TRT. Obesity in and of itself does not warrant TRT. It warrants a lifestyle change.

If your doc did not pinpoint a causative factor you should find a better one. I could not imagine going maybe 70 yrs or so on TRT! Don't just accept this from your doc. Your young and your endogenous T levels should be near the top of the charts. Fix the problem, don't just put a band aid on it.

kel

[kingster129]

Well, obesity can be corrected. What was the cause of the obesity? Lifestyle, thyroid issues....?

Of course if your on injections your T will be high. Timing of BW and your injection protocol is between you and your doc. You've been on TRT for a whole 3 months. That's no time at all. You should not be adding anything else to it. What you should be doing is finding another doctor and getting a proper diagnosis and hopefully getting off of TRT. Obesity in and of itself does not warrant TRT. It warrants a lifestyle change.

If your doc did not pinpoint a causative factor you should find a better one. I could not imagine going maybe 70 yrs or so on TRT! Don't just accept this from your doc. Your young and your endogenous T levels should be near the top of the charts. Fix the problem, don't just put a band aid on it.

kel

The cause of the obesity was lack of exercise and terrible diet. Yes it was corrected. I lost 165 lbs between August of 2011 and August of 2012, then started TRT the next month.

Don't some people naturally have low testosterone? What sort of problem other than obesity would cause low testosterone?

[warmouth]

Well, obesity can be corrected. What was the cause of the obesity? Lifestyle, thyroid issues....?

Of course if your on injections your T will be high. Timing of BW and your injection protocol is between you and your doc. You've been on TRT for a whole 3 months. That's no time at all. You should not be adding anything else to it. What you should be doing is finding another doctor and getting a proper diagnosis and hopefully getting off of TRT. Obesity in and of itself does not warrant TRT. It warrants a lifestyle change.

If your doc did not pinpoint a causative factor you should find a better one. I could not imagine going maybe 70 yrs or so on TRT! Don't just accept this from your doc. Your young and your endogenous T levels should be near the top of the charts. Fix the problem, don't just put a band aid on it.

kel

OP, listen to his advice onthis one. You doc reallyneed to get to the bottom of the reson for this at your age other than just putting you on test. There must be a cause that is maneageble from another standpoint. Youre just so young for this. Seriously consider a second opinion. TRT is not a blessing like alot of people think. It is if it is truley needed, but if there are other ways, that a better path. I am only 30 but mine was caused from years of BP meds. Andas Kel said, you need not add anything yet since it has only been a few months. Make sure to get all the knowledge you can and get to the bottom of the source. no matter the cost. You dont want to be on TRT that long if it can be dealt with in other ways.

[kelkel]

Hypothyroid, cortisol, pathologies, testicular issues, elevated prolactin and the list goes on. Look, I understand you feel good now but wouldn't it be nice to feel just as good naturally? IMO your doc did you a disservice. He did not find the root cause. Right now a competent doc, full blood work and a proper diagnosis is in order. Yes, it may be a struggle coming off and finding the root cause but imagine if you could correct it!

Be nice huh! find a top notch doc. Travel to one if you have to. Your not 60, your 18 dammit.

[warmouth]

Hypothyroid, cortisol, pathologies, testicular issues, elevated prolactin and the list goes on. Look, I understand you feel good now but wouldn't it be nice to feel just as good naturally? IMO your doc did you a disservice. He did not find the root cause. Right now a competent doc, full blood work and a proper diagnosis is in order. Yes, it may be a struggle coming off and finding the root cause but imagine if you could correct it!

Be nice huh! find a top notch doc. Travel to one if you have to. Your not 60, your 18 dammit.

Perfect advice! If you get it controlled now, without TRT, then you are going to be much better off. Then down the road, you can cycle and PCT to get normalized again. High estrogen can also supress natural test, which could have been a problem if you were obese. There is severalthing you should do for yourself and your overall well being. Everything Kel is saying it what you need to follow. He is an expert in TRT related issues. You are lucky he saw this and is doing everything he can to help you. Good luck with the situation.

[steroid.com 1]

OP - Please get a copy of your blood work before your TRT and post here with ranges.

Unless you were Primary Hypogonadal from birth, injury, meds...things like that an 18 shouldn't be low as kel points out so well; there are many medical conditions that can cause this to happen and most Doctor's are not trained to diagnosis properly...they just run to Testosterone supplementation which is all wrong.

Get your blood work and post it and we'll jump in my friend.

gd