Oh my god, where are some people getting their information from!?!?

[Atomini]

There's a guy at my gym who cycles AAS, i've known him for a good 2 or 3 years now and we've discussed our cycles. But man, is this guy way off base with his knowledge of AAS and what he is doing to himself...

Today he told me he's getting some acne breakouts on the back because he recently started a cycle of god knows whatever (forgot what he told me he's using) about 2 weeks ago. So you know what he proceeded to say to me? "I'm going to have to start tanning now and using Nolvadex" to which I responded "uh... what?" and he says "yeah, Nolvadex clears out the oil from pores of your skin, and the tanning from the UV rays kills the bacteria".

Because I was in the middle of a workout, I couldn't go into Dr. mode and start to refute his ignorance and try to point him in the right direction. I just sort of shook my head or said "yeeah..." and got back to my next set. When I hear stupid stuff like that and I don't have time to correct the person, my blood boils, I get frustrated, and if I listen to them continue on, my cranium will probably burst. SO instead, I try to walk away as fast as I can before the person can continue spewing verbal diarrhea (especially when I have sets to get back to).

This guy has also said some other VERY far off information to me before, such as a month or two ago, this feller said to me "i'm off cycle right now, but i'm going to take some EQ since EQ isn't a steroid ". WHAT?! I was stunned. I looked at him like he had a toaster on his head and as per standard protocol, walked quickly back to the decline bench to perform my next set.

Back in the summer months, he was doing some cycle with Anavar in it. He told me "man, I started getting gyno from Anavar so I had to use some arimidex to take care of it.". Okay, I couldn't let THAT one slide, so I said to him "umm... Anavar AT ANY DOSE should NOT give you gyno. I think what you're taking isn't really Anavar, there's probably something else in those tablets" and he INSISTED that he was correct in saying Anavar causes gyno (yeah, yeah, i've heard the stories of the rare 1% of people who do claim to have gotten gyno from Anavar use but that's a totally different story). Anavar cannot possibly aromatize, and it doesn't have any Estrogenic activity in and of itself (unlike Anadrol, for example). So he continued and said the following to me: "Man, I think gyno is caused by your cholesterol or something, its so weird". MY EYES ROLLED OUT OF MY HEAD when I heard that!!! THEN I proceeded to walk away, as I realized there's no hope trying to educate this guy (AND I have a workout to continue).

So my question is... where are individuals like this getting their information from? His source? His buddies? Maybe he just makes up flawed logic conclusions in his head? I know most of it results from bro-talk and "this huge bodybuilder told me X and so he is absolutely correct because the guy is HUUUGE so he must know what he's doing!" type of stuff. But aren't guys like this reading any books? Hell, even websites such as this one? Even a quick flip through William Llewelyn's Anabolics will demonstrate the proper basics and ins and outs of how AAS works, what they do, how they do it, and what they don't do. Cholesterol buildup is the cause for gyno? What? I don't even think he knew what he was getting at because he didn't even specify what exactly was going on in his theory. I did ask him once where he's getting these ideas from and he did say something to the effect of "my buddy" who also happens to be the guy he gets his gear from... great... what better place to get your educational info from than your actual source, right!? That's scary.

There are others in the gym i've run into who have had small misconceptions about little aspects of AAS use that I have corrected and educated them with no problems, but this guy is the worst offender of all of them. I'd love to just pull this guy aside and give him a proper informed education on this stuff but the problem is that he is so adamant in what he says, nothing I say gets through because his response is always "no, no, man... my buddy is really knowledgeable and knows what he's talking about, he's been doing this stuff for decades".

I guess there's no hope for some. But it bothers me how many of these guys are out there... and how many of them are expounding garbage and DANGEROUS information/advice to others who are susceptible to accepting this stuff as truth or whatever.

[AdrenalineJunkie]

I think guys that say that many things THAT far off just vomit thoughts that come to mind. No one who took the time to educate themselves would say those things. He probably has familiarized himself with the terms but never taken the time to research and understand them. He clearly must know he isn't certain about what he's talking about, but somehow he has formulated these conclusions and information to himself.

[Atomini]

You're correct, but I think that's half of the cause. I'm fairly certain that these guys are too lazy to do any research on their own. Instead, they went to someone (their 'buddy', their source, or 'the huge jacked dude in the gym') and just asked them how to use AAS because they were interested in doing it. Furthermore, they not only gather flawed knowledge from questionable sources but they also decide to hop on a cycle prematurely and do the learn-as-you-go thing. So essentially, their whole framework of AAS knowledge in their mind is basically a Frankenstein of different verbal advice taken from different people. It's a combination of made-up on the spot conclusions in his head combined with false information collected from people verbally. I honestly don't think a guy like this has ever taken the time to do any REAL reading, even if its off a website just from a google search.

[--->>405<<---]

shoot i have actual friends who are on TRT and have been on test cyp, enanthate, or gel for a year and never been to the doc for blood work, never taken an AI, have no idea what their E2 is, and some of them actually go off the test for awhile for whatever reason and do nothing!

now yall know me well enuff to know i have beat the subject into the freaking ground about proper TRT protocol and being shut down, and E2 management, and dosage and all that stuff.. doesnt sink in! one time his response was "my dick is still working fine"..

i dont get it!

[Atomini]

405, I believe that the scenarios you described fall more into the typical category of people who go to the doctor, get prescribed something, and they just take it without understanding what it is they're using, how it should be used, or any other information regarding it. The typical "I'm not Einstein, I don't know what these pills the doc gave me are or what they do, but they do what I told the doctor I wanted them to do so whoop de doo". They're just not taking things seriously perhaps because they don't care enough?

Same mentality though.

[kelkel]

Atomini I love your stories. If you decide to change careers, look into writing!

kel

[Atomini]

Atomini I love your stories. If you decide to change careers, look into writing!

kel

Kel, it has already begun actually. I can't tell you any more than that for now lol.

[ecruz]

i guess it boils down to 1. how dumb you are 2. how much you value your life. if you posses both those attributes then your in big trouble. a little research can save you time, money and most important your life! years ago it was far more difficult to obtain info on ass "within reason" but know with the net there is in fact no excuse why people are so ignorant to this life style. with that being said, some people plan dont care about their health and willing to put anything in their bodys reguardless of lack of "brain cells" ive met soooo many kids out there who have no clue what there doing and still pin themselves in hopes that they will grow not caring what it will do.. so many dudes ive met are all confused on the compounds they are using, they down right have no clue. guys running only deca, dudes running low doses of three week cycles or the most common of all they dont order enough gear and run out half way, what a waste!!

[Fllifter]

I have a few buddies that are the same way. This one in particular has ran approx 15-20 cycles over the past 4 years and anytime I suggest something I'm automatically wrong due to the fact he has ran far more cycles then I have. I suggest to take an AI but according to him those are for guys with Girly bodies that can't Handel steroids. He was complaining about getting gyno and was using clomid to combat it, I suggest to use nolva to help, but hardly knew what that was. Now I just shake my head and let him do as He pleases.

[Atomini]

AHAHAHHAH I have an update today from the same guy. I ran into him again today at the gym. He says to me:

"Man, i'm gonna drop my Anavar, I fvcking hate this shit its making me feel all weird and fvcked up."

Me: "What? I'm on Anavar right now and i'm FVCKING LOVING IT! Constant strength gains that are surprising me and all kinds of other changes. I'm telling you, you don't have Anavar there. There's something else in your tablets."

Him: "No man, Anavar is shit and what you're experiencing is probably not from Anavar, it's from the Testosterone and other stuff you're using!"

Me: "... i'm using 100mg weekly of Test... 25mg EOD of Test Prop.... that's hardly going to do anything"

Him: "MAN, ITS THE TEST"

Me: "Come here and spot me on my next set please."

[Soar]

Sounds like some more broscience gone wrong. My cousin a long term power lifter who cycles often has absolutely no idea about most of the pct protocols or AI's. last thing he told me was I could gain 20-25 pounds if the stuff I was taking was really good. He's a big boy 5'8" 205lb about 15% bf with nine years competing. Wonder where he'd be now if he knew more about the AAS he's been using?

[Lunk1]

Way too much AAS talk..lift more lol!

[Soar]

Way too much AAS talk..lift more lol!

Or that

[wmaousley]

There's a guy at my gym who cycles AAS, i've known him for a good 2 or 3 years now and we've discussed our cycles. But man, is this guy way off base with his knowledge of AAS and what he is doing to himself...

Today he told me he's getting some acne breakouts on the back because he recently started a cycle of god knows whatever (forgot what he told me he's using) about 2 weeks ago. So you know what he proceeded to say to me? "I'm going to have to start tanning now and using Nolvadex" to which I responded "uh... what?" and he says "yeah, Nolvadex clears out the oil from pores of your skin, and the tanning from the UV rays kills the bacteria".

Because I was in the middle of a workout, I couldn't go into Dr. mode and start to refute his ignorance and try to point him in the right direction. I just sort of shook my head or said "yeeah..." and got back to my next set. When I hear stupid stuff like that and I don't have time to correct the person, my blood boils, I get frustrated, and if I listen to them continue on, my cranium will probably burst. SO instead, I try to walk away as fast as I can before the person can continue spewing verbal diarrhea (especially when I have sets to get back to).

This guy has also said some other VERY far off information to me before, such as a month or two ago, this feller said to me "i'm off cycle right now, but i'm going to take some EQ since EQ isn't a steroid ". WHAT?! I was stunned. I looked at him like he had a toaster on his head and as per standard protocol, walked quickly back to the decline bench to perform my next set.

Back in the summer months, he was doing some cycle with Anavar in it. He told me "man, I started getting gyno from Anavar so I had to use some arimidex to take care of it.". Okay, I couldn't let THAT one slide, so I said to him "umm... Anavar AT ANY DOSE should NOT give you gyno. I think what you're taking isn't really Anavar, there's probably something else in those tablets" and he INSISTED that he was correct in saying Anavar causes gyno (yeah, yeah, i've heard the stories of the rare 1% of people who do claim to have gotten gyno from Anavar use but that's a totally different story). Anavar cannot possibly aromatize, and it doesn't have any Estrogenic activity in and of itself (unlike Anadrol, for example). So he continued and said the following to me: "Man, I think gyno is caused by your cholesterol or something, its so weird". MY EYES ROLLED OUT OF MY HEAD when I heard that!!! THEN I proceeded to walk away, as I realized there's no hope trying to educate this guy (AND I have a workout to continue).

So my question is... where are individuals like this getting their information from? His source? His buddies? Maybe he just makes up flawed logic conclusions in his head? I know most of it results from bro-talk and "this huge bodybuilder told me X and so he is absolutely correct because the guy is HUUUGE so he must know what he's doing!" type of stuff. But aren't guys like this reading any books? Hell, even websites such as this one? Even a quick flip through William Llewelyn's Anabolics will demonstrate the proper basics and ins and outs of how AAS works, what they do, how they do it, and what they don't do. Cholesterol buildup is the cause for gyno? What? I don't even think he knew what he was getting at because he didn't even specify what exactly was going on in his theory. I did ask him once where he's getting these ideas from and he did say something to the effect of "my buddy" who also happens to be the guy he gets his gear from... great... what better place to get your educational info from than your actual source, right!? That's scary.

There are others in the gym i've run into who have had small misconceptions about little aspects of AAS use that I have corrected and educated them with no problems, but this guy is the worst offender of all of them. I'd love to just pull this guy aside and give him a proper informed education on this stuff but the problem is that he is so adamant in what he says, nothing I say gets through because his response is always "no, no, man... my buddy is really knowledgeable and knows what he's talking about, he's been doing this stuff for decades".

I guess there's no hope for some. But it bothers me how many of these guys are out there... and how many of them are expounding garbage and DANGEROUS information/advice to others who are susceptible to accepting this stuff as truth or whatever.

Anadrol is derived from DHT, it cant actually convert to estrogen and cause Gyno

[Atomini]

Anadrol is derived from DHT, it cant actually convert to estrogen and cause Gyno

You missed what I said in Anadrol in my post. I totally agree with you on what you said - Anadrol is a DHT derivative and cannot convert into Estrogen.

The problem is Anadrol STILL causes Gyno, and still causes bloating and water retention. It is believed that Anadrol in and of ITSELF acts as a mixed Estrogen agonist/antagonist in various tissues of the body. One of them being breast tissue, where it acts as an agonist. It's why aromatase inhibitors do nothing to control Estrogenic side effects while on Anadrol. This is one of the many myterious properties of Anadrol, as it possesses loads of strange unexplained properties that go defy the mechanism of things in theory. Anadrol is considered one of those very strange compounds.

[Atomini]

Oh, a couple other hypotheses as to why Anadrol still exhibits heavy Estrogenic side effects:

- It is possible that Anadrol compromises the liver's metabolism and clearance of Estrogen in the body. This becomes even worse when other AAS that are aromatizable are used alongside Anadrol, such as higher doses of Testosterone. What happens is a faster buildup of E2 that remains for longer periods of time.

- Anadrol's non-Estrogen metabolites are possibly acting as Estrogens in the body, which are serving to mediate the Estrogenic effects.

It's really largely a mystery as to why Anadrol exhibits high rates of Estrogenic side effects, but these are the main ideas. It was once thought that Anadrol possessed very high Progestogenic activity (very similar to that of Nandrolone or Trenbolone) but this cannot possibly be the case, because a study on Anadrol which examined potential Progestogenic activity had determined that Anadrol in fact possesses no Progestogenic attributes or activity at all(1). Furthermore, the same study claims that "Anadrol was shown to be less progestagenic than even testosterone, so that has nothing to do with it. The current theory is that the A-ring is acidic due to the 2-hydroxymethylene group and therefor, oxymetholone ITSELF acts as an estrogen directly on the estrogen receptor." and "Anadrol Acts like an estrogen, or at least one of its metabolites does. regardless, aromatase is not involved, so an AI would be useless."(1).

REFERENCES:
1. Les hormones anabolisantes du point de vue experimental. P.A. Desaulles. Helv. Med. Acta 1960;479-503.

[wmaousley]

We agree to agree, beautifully said

[MuttonChop]

You missed what I said in Anadrol in my post. I totally agree with you on what you said - Anadrol is a DHT derivative and cannot convert into Estrogen.

The problem is Anadrol STILL causes Gyno, and still causes bloating and water retention. It is believed that Anadrol in and of ITSELF acts as a mixed Estrogen agonist/antagonist in various tissues of the body. One of them being breast tissue, where it acts as an agonist. It's why aromatase inhibitors do nothing to control Estrogenic side effects while on Anadrol. This is one of the many myterious properties of Anadrol, as it possesses loads of strange unexplained properties that go defy the mechanism of things in theory. Anadrol is considered one of those very strange compounds.

If AIs don't do anything, then how does one control Estro sides when on Anadrol? I am guessing you use a SERM instead?

[cherrydrpepper]

Today he told me he's getting some acne breakouts on the back because he recently started a cycle of god knows whatever (forgot what he told me he's using) about 2 weeks ago. So you know what he proceeded to say to me? "I'm going to have to start tanning now and using Nolvadex" to which I responded "uh... what?" and he says "yeah, Nolvadex clears out the oil from pores of your skin, and the tanning from the UV rays kills the bacteria".

Nolva and tanning do reduce acne outbreaks but I think his reasoning is off for why it works

[Atomini]

If AIs don't do anything, then how does one control Estro sides when on Anadrol? I am guessing you use a SERM instead?

Only thing you can do is use a SERM, and that will only control gyno. There is no way to combat the water retention, unfortunately (aside from dietary changes).

Nolva and tanning do reduce acne outbreaks but I think his reasoning is off for why it works

Yeah I do believe this does work, as the UV rays kill the bacteria. That's what i've heard, I haven't looked into it.

[WMSuperSport]

You just changed my mind on running some anadrol very soon lol. Thanks bro. I missed that info. Guys like you are invaluable to the commuity!

[WMSuperSport]

There's a guy at my gym who cycles AAS, i've known him for a good 2 or 3 years now and we've discussed our cycles. But man, is this guy way off base with his knowledge of AAS and what he is doing to himself...

Today he told me he's getting some acne breakouts on the back because he recently started a cycle of god knows whatever (forgot what he told me he's using) about 2 weeks ago. So you know what he proceeded to say to me? "I'm going to have to start tanning now and using Nolvadex" to which I responded "uh... what?" and he says "yeah, Nolvadex clears out the oil from pores of your skin, and the tanning from the UV rays kills the bacteria".

Because I was in the middle of a workout, I couldn't go into Dr. mode and start to refute his ignorance and try to point him in the right direction. I just sort of shook my head or said "yeeah..." and got back to my next set. When I hear stupid stuff like that and I don't have time to correct the person, my blood boils, I get frustrated, and if I listen to them continue on, my cranium will probably burst. SO instead, I try to walk away as fast as I can before the person can continue spewing verbal diarrhea (especially when I have sets to get back to).

This guy has also said some other VERY far off information to me before, such as a month or two ago, this feller said to me "i'm off cycle right now, but i'm going to take some EQ since EQ isn't a steroid ". WHAT?! I was stunned. I looked at him like he had a toaster on his head and as per standard protocol, walked quickly back to the decline bench to perform my next set.

Back in the summer months, he was doing some cycle with Anavar in it. He told me "man, I started getting gyno from Anavar so I had to use some arimidex to take care of it.". Okay, I couldn't let THAT one slide, so I said to him "umm... Anavar AT ANY DOSE should NOT give you gyno. I think what you're taking isn't really Anavar, there's probably something else in those tablets" and he INSISTED that he was correct in saying Anavar causes gyno (yeah, yeah, i've heard the stories of the rare 1% of people who do claim to have gotten gyno from Anavar use but that's a totally different story). Anavar cannot possibly aromatize, and it doesn't have any Estrogenic activity in and of itself (unlike Anadrol, for example). So he continued and said the following to me: "Man, I think gyno is caused by your cholesterol or something, its so weird". MY EYES ROLLED OUT OF MY HEAD when I heard that!!! THEN I proceeded to walk away, as I realized there's no hope trying to educate this guy (AND I have a workout to continue).

So my question is... where are individuals like this getting their information from? His source? His buddies? Maybe he just makes up flawed logic conclusions in his head? I know most of it results from bro-talk and "this huge bodybuilder told me X and so he is absolutely correct because the guy is HUUUGE so he must know what he's doing!" type of stuff. But aren't guys like this reading any books? Hell, even websites such as this one? Even a quick flip through William Llewelyn's Anabolics will demonstrate the proper basics and ins and outs of how AAS works, what they do, how they do it, and what they don't do. Cholesterol buildup is the cause for gyno? What? I don't even think he knew what he was getting at because he didn't even specify what exactly was going on in his theory. I did ask him once where he's getting these ideas from and he did say something to the effect of "my buddy" who also happens to be the guy he gets his gear from... great... what better place to get your educational info from than your actual source, right!? That's scary.

There are others in the gym i've run into who have had small misconceptions about little aspects of AAS use that I have corrected and educated them with no problems, but this guy is the worst offender of all of them. I'd love to just pull this guy aside and give him a proper informed education on this stuff but the problem is that he is so adamant in what he says, nothing I say gets through because his response is always "no, no, man... my buddy is really knowledgeable and knows what he's talking about, he's been doing this stuff for decades".

I guess there's no hope for some. But it bothers me how many of these guys are out there... and how many of them are expounding garbage and DANGEROUS information/advice to others who are susceptible to accepting this stuff as truth or whatever.

I agree with most of this nonsense, but I can say for sure, even from my dermatologist, that about 30% of people reduce acne by tanning, including me. Even though lately my acnes gotten so bad that it only helps a little. Gonna look into getting some accutane.

[jesse4466]

I agree with most of this nonsense, but I can say for sure, even from my dermatologist, that about 30% of people reduce acne by tanning, including me. Even though lately my acnes gotten so bad that it only helps a little. Gonna look into getting some accutane.

The best way to kill acne is from the inside working it's way out- oral prescription medication. Zinc pills have been helping me personally, no script needed.

Anything topical or UV rays will only act as a temporary bandaid. And will likely return soon.

Be careful with accutane though. They have more side effects then benefits. Check out the risks (and lawsuits) on google first. Nothing to play with, and can cause very serious permanent medical problems for life.

[clarky.]

Yous realize this thread is more than a year old and this member is no longer here.

[mind&muscle]

That's deep. Thanks

[mind&muscle]

Helps deciding between dbol or anadrol