gyno growing

[seriouslifter]

i have existing gyno from previous cycles in the past. i just started my new cycle, it seems i have a hardened fat deposit lump behind one. im bulking now and it possibly seems like its growing maybe or its just me gaining weight. im on kickstart prop and also enth and deca. im taking .25mg armidex EOD. should i start letro just to try to zap it or increase armidex? i dont feel pain anything. maybe its too late to get rid of it. its been years.

[seriouslifter]

bump anyone

[panntastic]

i have existing gyno from previous cycles in the past. i just started my new cycle, it seems i have a hardened fat deposit lump behind one. im bulking now and it possibly seems like its growing maybe or its just me gaining weight. im on kickstart prop and also enth and deca. im taking .25mg armidex EOD. should i start letro just to try to zap it or increase armidex? i dont feel pain anything. maybe its too late to get rid of it. its been years.

I would stop the cycle and try letro

Why did you start a cycle with a pre existing condition? Seems strange

[seriouslifter]

I would stop the cycle and try letro

Why did you start a cycle with a pre existing condition? Seems strange

because i have had it for years. it never went away. im not stopping cycle. couldnt i just try letro along with armidex on cycle? isnt letro going to really hinder my gains? how could it grow so soon its only been 3 weeks, but i am on prop. maybe it just looks bigger cause im bulking.

[OKCity]

because i have had it for years. it never went away. im not stopping cycle. couldnt i just try letro along with armidex on cycle? isnt letro going to really hinder my gains? how could it grow so soon its only been 3 weeks, but i am on prop. maybe it just looks bigger cause im bulking.

Hey man I can't guarantee this works for you but it did for me but I didn't have it for years either.

I ran 2.5 ml of letro-30 days( killed my estrogen as well as my sex drive and my joints killed)
Along side of letro I ran nolva at 20ml-30 days. By week 3 my gyno was completely gone...I just ran it an extra week to be absolutely sure!

This is a long shot seeing how you've had it for so long. I def agree with ^^^ I would nix your current cycle just for the duration of trying to reverse gyno.

Another approach is raloxifene. IMO just as effective for reversing gyno, just takes a while longer, hind side to this is less sides. Good luck and keep us posted!

[seriouslifter]

Hey man I can't guarantee this works for you but it did for me but I didn't have it for years either.

I ran 2.5 ml of letro-30 days( killed my estrogen as well as my sex drive and my joints killed)
Along side of letro I ran nolva at 20ml-30 days. By week 3 my gyno was completely gone...I just ran it an extra week to be absolutely sure!

This is a long shot seeing how you've had it for so long. I def agree with ^^^ I would nix your current cycle just for the duration of trying to reverse gyno.

Another approach is raloxifene. IMO just as effective for reversing gyno, just takes a while longer, hind side to this is less sides. Good luck and keep us posted!

what would be the effects of my gains if i just ran 2.5mg for 30 days while on cycle right now?

[OKCity]

what would be the effects of my gains if i just ran 2.5mg for 30 days while on cycle right now?

It will gender gains...due to part of you just feeling like shi! But you've got to be able to decide which is more important...sacrificing a few lbs of gains to reverse your gyno.

I also would recommend just running letro by itself, at least not following it by some sort of SERM...nolva, clomid. Something cuz you WILL have estrogen rebound and if you do get rid of the gyno it will come back...that's why I recommended running nolva with the letro. Especially if you don't stop your cycle, by doing this your preventing new gyno from producing with nolva and with the letro your attempting to kill the existing gyno.

Nolva by itself has been known to stop/reverse gyno. I'm sure some more experienced vets will chym in here but those are my recommendations. Gyno is trial and error like I said what worked for may not work for you. That's y you have to try and find what works for you, and having it for as long as you have...surgery may be your only other option.

[seriouslifter]

so your saying to do letro now and nolv throughout? why not letro and continue with armidex because armidex is a A.I?

[seriouslifter]

bumpppppp

[JWP806]

Check this out: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...O#.UO9K7KVauat

[gixxerboy1]

get bloodwork done. You have no idea where your levels are. Depending on your dosages of your gear and how sensitive you are .25mg eod may not be nearly enough for you

[seriouslifter]

Check this out: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...O#.UO9K7KVauat

i have read that before. im just afraid if i start using letro to try to get rid of lump along with armidex that my gains will me halted from letro.

[Back In Black]

i have read that before. im just afraid if i start using letro to try to get rid of lump along with armidex that my gains will me halted from letro.

So you'd rather have a few extra lbs of muscle and suffer this?

[Soar]

So you'd rather have a few extra lbs of muscle and suffer this?

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=131684"/>

No pain no Gain right?

[seriouslifter]

thats true, im going to start c-bino protocol and work my way up to 2.5mg of letro along with the armidex at .25mg EOD

[Ashop]

If its pre-exisitng gyno your best tool of choice is LETRZOLE.

[auswest]

i have read that before. im just afraid if i start using letro to try to get rid of lump along with armidex that my gains will me halted from letro.

So you want tits, for the sake of a couple of pounds of muscle.......that's interesting, how old are you? Because this does not sound like a very logical decision..

[auswest]

thats true, im going to start c-bino protocol and work my way up to 2.5mg of letro along with the armidex at .25mg EOD

Glad to see you have made the right decision..

[seriouslifter]

should i just start at 2.5mg of letro?

[warlord_wang]

you sure you dont have breast cancer & no im not trying to troll or be a ass

[seriouslifter]

you sure you dont have breast cancer & no im not trying to troll or be a ass

probably not this gyno lump most likely came from AAS. how would i know if I had cancer? they take samples if i went to a doc?

[seriouslifter]

you sure you dont have breast cancer & no im not trying to troll or be a ass

probably not this gyno lump most likely came from AAS. how would i know if I had cancer? they take samples if i went to a doc?

[fit2bOld]

Best way is to have the gyno removed and it will be tested as a standard practice. The chances of reoccrance is small. But most important is the control of estrogen when on cycle as this is why you have the gyno now.

[seriouslifter]

Best way is to have the gyno removed and it will be tested as a standard practice. The chances of reoccrance is small. But most important is the control of estrogen when on cycle as this is why you have the gyno now.

so again im taking armidex on cycle at .25mg EOD. i wanted to try and remove pre existing gyno originally on cycle to still have sex drive with letro. should i just run the letro now along with armidex at 2.5mg? i know it will probably inhibit some gains, but i want to see if this lump will go away. im not doing surgery right now.

[Back In Black]

I've read barely any successful reversal stories even off cycle. Especially if its been there some time. I'd say that if you are running a reversal procedure through a cycle it will be a waste of cycle. Too late now but in hindsight you should have tried the reversal protocol off cycle. Of course you could always stop your cycle but you appear adamant you want to proceed. So I'll wish you good luck.

You know how much surgery costs, right?

[seriouslifter]

I've read barely any successful reversal stories even off cycle. Especially if its been there some time. I'd say that if you are running a reversal procedure through a cycle it will be a waste of cycle. Too late now but in hindsight you should have tried the reversal protocol off cycle. Of course you could always stop your cycle but you appear adamant you want to proceed. So I'll wish you good luck.

You know how much surgery costs, right?

yeah around 5 grand. as im bulking and gaining weight i dont know if the bloat its just making it more noticeable when i feel it. i cant tell if gyno is growing. i didnt want to do it off cycle cause i lose my sex drive. why would it be a waste to do it on cycle try to remove it cause estrogen be so low, i wont have good gains?

[Back In Black]

Yes, because your gains will be poor. Why haven't you tried the letting reversal off cycle? You've been concerned about your gyne for 8 years at least.

5 grand or thereabouts yes, plus you'll need a good surgeon!

[seriouslifter]

Yes, because your gains will be poor. Why haven't you tried the letting reversal off cycle? You've been concerned about your gyne for 8 years at least.

5 grand or thereabouts yes, plus you'll need a good surgeon!

true. i dont think my gyno is getting out of control as im on armidex at .25mg EOD i think the bloat/weight gain is making it more visible. im going to do letro after cycle. no point on, but then i will lose sex drive if i do it after since im not on test. if people get gyno on cycle, they run letro so why is it wrong if i do it now?

[Back In Black]

Do it now, all I said was it will likely hurt gains.

I also don't think your gyne can be that big of a concern if you've never tried the reversal protocol even though you've known about it for years. You also think you're gyne prone but still cycle, thereby increasing the risk.

Curious as to your stats, particularly your bf% and how that's changed over the years?

[seriouslifter]

Do it now, all I said was it will likely hurt gains.

I also don't think your gyne can be that big of a concern if you've never tried the reversal protocol even though you've known about it for years. You also think you're gyne prone but still cycle, thereby increasing the risk.

Curious as to your stats, particularly your bf% and how that's changed over the years?

how much gains will it hurt who knows, but couldnt do it off cycle then i lose sex drive, etc. bodyfat prob around 13%, i used to be heavier (more bodyfat). 5'11 205 now.

[seriouslifter]

so should i just run 2.5mg of letro on cycle or continue using armidex at .25mg EOD along with letro?

[seriouslifter]

i just started letro at 2.5mg ED and not using armidex