Tren, Drost, Prop Alone or + Win? or + Var?

[nycjock]

Hey guys - about to start my second cycle, similar to my first. It is as follows:

Weeks 1 - 8 (or 10)
150mg Tren E2D (Every 2 Days)
150mg Prop E2D
150mg Drost E2D

Then PCT of Nolva for 4 weeks following.

Any thoughts on whether I should add *Win* or *Var* to this to get some added benefits (more strength, but more cut, etc.)? I have a pack of 100 10mg Win pills that my trainer suggested I use with this cycle, but a couple bros strongly advised against it. Thoughts here? Anyone here think I should add the Win, and if so, how much do you suggest?

-OR-

If you think I should not use the Win and go for Var instead, I'd love to hear that, and your suggested dosage.

-OR-
Or, if you think I should stick with what I have, but instead of doing 150mg of each, perhaps do 225mg of each, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that as well.

Thanks again, forgive what may seem like novice questions. I've read a lot, asked a lot, but still have questions. Alas.

Thanks!

[Lunk1]

Whats the matter? 3 compounds isnt enough? This was how you ran your first cycle???

[nycjock]

Whats the matter? 3 compounds isnt enough? This was how you ran your first cycle???

Correct - and I got decent results, but thought I'd up it and see how it went...

[nycjock]

Whats the matter? 3 compounds isnt enough? This was how you ran your first cycle???

Correct - and I got decent results, but thought I'd up it and see how it went...

[songdog]

This is your 2nd cycle?

[stpete]

Training history?
Height?
Weight?
BF%

[nycjock]

This is your 2nd cycle?

yes.

[nycjock]

Training history?
Height?
Weight?
BF%

Training for the past 15 years.
Swim daily (altho during my first cycle, that wasn't the case because the Tren really wiped out my endurance)
6'3"
195lbs
about 10-12%bf

[nycjock]

Any other thoughts?

[redz]

195 at 6'3 is on the light side after cycling. Sounds like you need less focus on taking as many compounds as you can get your hands on and more focus on diet.

[Sfla80]

Way too many compounds, and even a weaker pct for all those compounds too. No mention of AI or hcg.

See another "help me" thread coming in the future

[nycjock]

Way too many compounds, and even a weaker pct for all those compounds too. No mention of AI or hcg.

See another "help me" thread coming in the future

AI? And I wasn't really interested in HCG...from what I've read, it doesn't seem like it's good to use with what I've got.

[Sfla80]

AI? And I wasn't really interested in HCG...from what I've read, it doesn't seem like it's good to use with what I've got.

Well need to answer other questions already asked. Stats is main one. And u need to do more erase arch.

[nycjock]

Well need to answer other questions already asked. Stats is main one. And u need to do more erase arch.

thought i answered all the questions already asked...
and yes, i am trying to research, that's why i'm on here.

[redz]

Why isn't hcg good to use with that cycle? It helps with any cycle.

[Sfla80]

thought i answered all the questions already asked...
and yes, i am trying to research, that's why i'm on here.

You are right u did. My apologies. But the research thing should have happened already. Before running so many compounds. And needing to know what an AI is. I am horrible at spelling so not even gonna try. Read through half of all cycles on here and they will talk about an AI and how important and hcg. I believe there are stickies for both.

[nycjock]

Why isn't hcg good to use with that cycle? It helps with any cycle.

A bro just advised that, although it may *help*, it's not really integral and/or the benefits may not be so great, so better to just not add another something to your body.

[nycjock]

You are right u did. My apologies. But the research thing should have happened already. Before running so many compounds. And needing to know what an AI is. I am horrible at spelling so not even gonna try. Read through half of all cycles on here and they will talk about an AI and how important and hcg. I believe there are stickies for both.

Thanks Goode80, and thanks for not getting to frustrated with my lack of research so far. I gotta say, the last time I did this cycle, the gains were just what i wanted...about 7lbs, and not many side-effects. By AI, do you mean Aromasin? If so, I may only be able to get my hands on liquid form.

I'm not able to PM, otherwise, I'd send you a message with the information about the Cutaxyl formula that I'm talking about.

[redz]

It will keep your balls from shrinking and aid in recovery which are both major benefits.

[nycjock]

It will keep your balls from shrinking and aid in recovery which are both major benefits.

Thanks - so do you have a rec for the dosage i should use with what i'm doing?

[Misery13]

I read your standard stats and I know that you have been training for 15yrs. Plus swimming.

What is your BF%? Roughly.
What are your training goals?
Why did you chose so many compounds for your 1st cycle?
What were your 1st cycle results?
What are your 2nd cycle expectations?
Do you even have access to HCG?

Please and thank you answer these for me and I will do my best to help you.

[nycjock]

I read your standard stats and I know that you have been training for 15yrs. Plus swimming.

What is your BF%? Roughly.
What are your training goals?
Why did you chose so many compounds for your 1st cycle?
What were your 1st cycle results?
What are your 2nd cycle expectations?
Do you even have access to HCG?

Please and thank you answer these for me and I will do my best to help you.

Thanks for your input!
BF% roughly is (I think) about 12-15%
Training goals, to gain about 5-10lbs of mass, as well as cut up a bit. Not get too big that it's so obvious, frankly. I'd like to gain strength, as well, of course.
1st cycle results were great. 5lbs gain, strength gain (about 30-50% more weight on all muscle groups).
For the second cycle, I'd like to up the results from the first just a bit.
I don't know about access to HCG, I imagine I can find it through different sources.
Thank you!

[Misery13]

Ok last question...maybe

Have you already purchased your next cycle?

[nycjock]

Ok last question...maybe

Have you already purchased your next cycle?

Yes. Purchased cutaxyl and Win (the Win, per the rec of my trainer, but several people said that I shouldn't take it with this cycle).

I understand that I shouldn't start it until I have AI and HCG on hand to accompany. Agreed?

[Misery13]

Agreed. I always have PCT on hand. In various forms. Adex, nolvadex, clomid, and HCG.

[Misery13]

I say drop the Tren since your a swimmer and add HCG. I know you don't want to hear that your diet will be what makes or breaks your 2nd cycle.

[nycjock]

I say drop the Tren since your a swimmer and add HCG. I know you don't want to hear that your diet will be what makes or breaks your 2nd cycle.

Thanks man. But...the tren is mixed into vial of cutaxyl...it's a combo of Tren, Prop and Drost.

[Misery13]

Thanks man. But...the tren is mixed into vial of cutaxyl...it's a combo of Tren, Prop and Drost.

Ok. But before you plan and order your 3rd cycle. Please post so we can guide you.

[nycjock]

Ok. But before you plan and order your 3rd cycle. Please post so we can guide you.

Will do. For this second cycle do you advise doing 1ml EOD? 1.5ml EOD? Or 1ml or 1.5ml every two days? 50mg per 1ml of tren, drost and prop.

[Blaquewidow]

Need some Advice I am a try to drop body fat with a six week cycle of WIN followed by VAR. I have read that WIN doesn't convert What else do I need to know? Put me on the right path. Thanx

[nycjock]

Need some Advice I am a try to drop body fat with a six week cycle of WIN followed by VAR. I have read that WIN doesn't convert What else do I need to know? Put me on the right path. Thanx

Unfortunately, I'm not the guy to ask...