in your eyes which is the safest steroid to be used apart from testosterone ?

[hobnob]

apart from test which steroids do you concider to be on the safer side of aas regarding side effects and long term damage ??
so in other words what could one run with testosterone when looking for minimal side effects

[Gaspaco]

Primobolan

[ironbeck]

Minimal sides...probably EQ?

[austinite]

It's all dose dependent. The only compound I wasn't able to eliminate sides from is Tren. Even Testosterone can be abused. But to answer the very broad question, Var or primo would probably be the mild ones when used appropriately.

[hobnob]

yea pretty much as i thought, im going to be trying EQ for the first time ever in my next cycle at 600mg and also anavar at 100mg a day with 600 or 800mg of testosterone. my question is last cycle i used 800mg testosterone propionate a week so should i run at least 800mg testosterone in my next cycle ?

[austinite]

^ Wasting your time and money with EQ my friend.

[ironbeck]

yea pretty much as i thought, im going to be trying EQ for the first time ever in my next cycle at 600mg and also anavar at 100mg a day with 600 or 800mg of testosterone. my question is last cycle i used 800mg testosterone propionate a week so should i run at least 800mg testosterone in my next cycle ?

Sounds like a good cycle to me, I only like EQ for its joint enhancing benefits(in my case)

[hobnob]

go with 600 or 800mg testosterone ?

[Alinjr]

Primobolan

Definitely

[ironbeck]

Definitely

If you can afford it? if not.. then EQ.

[Atomini]

I would say Anavar first, and then Primobolan. Even Testosterone is safer than those two though.

But the reason why I say Anavar first is because it possesses a stronger distinction between its androgenic and anabolic strength ratings so much so that it is actually a VERY anabolic hormone. Anavar's androgenic rating is 24 and its anabolic rating is 322 - 630. That means at its weakest, it is at LEAST three times the strength of Testosterone, and at its strongest it is slightly over SIX times the strength of Testosterone. Primobolan on the other hand through its structural modifications has anabolic and androgenic ratings that have both dropped very low and are actually lower than Testosterone. Primobolan is actually weaker than Testosterone, with its androgenic rating of 44 - 57 (actually higher than Anavar) and an anabolic rating of 88 (not even as strong as Testosterone).

Primobolan is truly a weak anabolic steroid, and is one of the only commercially and conventionally available anabolic steroid derivatives of DHT to actually possess even WEAKER strength than Testosterone itself. Most analogues of Testosterone, DHT, or Nandrolone (the 3 original endogenously produced natural progenitor hormones for all the analogues) actually possess anabolic ratings well into the three digit range, and nearly all of them are at LEAST two times the anabolic strength of Testosterone. Primobolan is the only one to be as weak as it is. Granted, it is a very safe hormone to use, but Anavar is actually safer and possesses an even longer androgenic strength than Primobolan, while at the same time promoting stronger anabolic strength. I only wish a non-methylated injectable Anavar was available, then it would be almost perfect with no risk of any hepaotoxicity at all.

[Leisure Suite Larry]

apart from test which steroids do you concider to be on the safer side of aas regarding side effects and long term damage ??
so in other words what could one run with testosterone when looking for minimal side effects

Primo
EQ
Var

[Leisure Suite Larry]

I only wish a non-methylated injectable Anavar was available, then it would be almost perfect with no risk of any hepaotoxicity at all.

Var is already very low on toxicity dude, the average joe need not worry about toxicity issues with var. I mean you got some guys running dbol year round, same goes for drol and stana etc. In 99.9% cases liver toxicity is over-rated, most people will find it very very hard to screw their livers, the liver is extremely versatile and is continually rebuilding itself.

[austinite]

Var is already very low on toxicity dude, the average joe need not worry about toxicity issues with var. I mean you got some guys running dbol year round, same goes for drol and stana etc. In 99.9% cases liver toxicity is over-rated, most people will find it very very hard to screw their livers, the liver is extremely versatile and is continually rebuilding itself.

The average Joe doesn't know how to use var properly. Var can be abused just like any drug.

[Sfla80]

I see most say var or primo. One or two said eq,

So why would eq be more then those two. And why would mast be brought up at all?

This is a curious question not disregarding anything said.

[Atomini]

Var is already very low on toxicity dude, the average joe need not worry about toxicity issues with var. I mean you got some guys running dbol year round, same goes for drol and stana etc. In 99.9% cases liver toxicity is over-rated, most people will find it very very hard to screw their livers, the liver is extremely versatile and is continually rebuilding itself.

Medical prescription guidelines reccomend Anavar use for no longer than 8 week periods, to a maximum of 12 weeks if there is an absolute necessity.

Just because the liver is a resillient organ, which it is, and just because some oral AAS are not as liver toxic as others is no excuse to throw caution to the wind, or to promote the idea that its okay to run oral anabolic steroids year-round. That would constitute irresponsible harmful use. You need to be careful what you say on this forum because there are many inexperienced AAS users and beginners who will take any statement that downplays the effects of something to use it as an excuse to begin irresponsible harmful use. Oral anabolic steroids, depending on which one in question, should be utilized for no longer than around an 8 week period. I ran Anadrol once for 10 weeks and it put a freaking hole in my stomach (ulcer) and gave me minor cholestasis of the liver.

Hepatotoxicity resulting from the use of Methylated compounds is a far greater concern than you make it out to be, but at the same time it's not as horrible as others claim either. I could conjure up a number of cases and studies in which individuals developed conditions ranging in severity from severe cholestasis to pelios hepatis (liver cysts), andhepatocellcular adenomas and carcenomas. There are thousands of these cases littered throughout the previous several decades of AAS use, as well as continuous growing number of these case reports involving otherwise healthy young bodybuilders abusing oral compounds.

[ecruz]

^ Wasting your time and money with EQ my friend.

what a dislike you have for eq Austinite!! the feeling is mutual though

[testluva]

You will love Anavar. Be sure to drink a lot of Water and stay hydrated. Just add Anavar to your last 4-5 weeks if your cycle.