Turanabol/Turan/Turindex

[manmachine]

So after researching different types of steroids, for what I am
hoping to achieve, I was thinking about Turanabol or similar brands.

I am a mountain biker rider/road cyclist who competes a few times a year.
Also put in long mile/high climbing training rides 3-4 days a week from March-November.

I am looking to build/sculpt just slightly more muscle and more importantly
improve my muscle recovery/repair time in between rides and races.

Specific competitive goals this year are to get in 4 century's with 10k of ascent in each.
An uphill TT and 2 or 3 mountain bike races.
These will be lofty goals, due to the amount of frequency and climbing.

I think 4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone will do the trick. But not sure.
It seems like the profile and end results would fit the bill. Thoughts?


If I did start a cycle, I was thinking initially, one week of 5mg or 10mg to see
if there are any side-effects. If all is okay, then I would go on a 4-week
10mg cycle. Then take at least 4 weeks off, maybe even 6 weeks off,
given the hepatotoxicity of Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone.

Thoughts on 5mg or 10mg to start?- I know this is considered a mild anabolic
but I am concerned about the toxicity to the liver and other possible side-effects.

Again, let me reinforce that I am not looking for big or quick results.
Just steady, progressive, moderate results.

I figured starting in April to coincide with my usual riding/fitness peak in Sept-Oct.
So perhaps 3 phases of a 4-week cycle. April, then on again in early-mid June.
On again early-mid August. Is this a fair plan and am I close or way off base here.

Thanks

[Bio-Active]

So after researching different types of steroids, for what I am
hoping to achieve, I was thinking about Turanabol or similar brands.

I am a mountain biker rider/road cyclist who competes a few times a year.
Also put in long mile/high climbing training rides 3-4 days a week from March-November.

I am looking to build/sculpt just slightly more muscle and more importantly
improve my muscle recovery/repair time in between rides and races.

Specific competitive goals this year are to get in 4 century's with 10k of ascent in each.
An uphill TT and 2 or 3 mountain bike races.
These will be lofty goals, due to the amount of frequency and climbing.

I think 4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone will do the trick. But not sure.
It seems like the profile and end results would fit the bill. Thoughts?


If I did start a cycle, I was thinking initially, one week of 5mg or 10mg to see
if there are any side-effects. If all is okay, then I would go on a 4-week
10mg cycle. Then take at least 4 weeks off, maybe even 6 weeks off,
given the hepatotoxicity of Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone.

Thoughts on 5mg or 10mg to start?- I know this is considered a mild anabolic
but I am concerned about the toxicity to the liver and other possible side-effects.

Again, let me reinforce that I am not looking for big or quick results.
Just steady, progressive, moderate results.

I figured starting in April to coincide with my usual riding/fitness peak in Sept-Oct.
So perhaps 3 phases of a 4-week cycle. April, then on again in early-mid June.
On again early-mid August. Is this a fair plan and am I close or way off base here.

Thanks

Just to be clear. Are you talking about an oral only cycle?

[manmachine]

Hey Jim,

Yes, oral only. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

[Bio-Active]

Hey Jim,

Yes, oral only. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Any steroid one takes will more than likely suppress a persons hpta to a degree. This is why test is used as a base to almost all cycles. Doing an oral only cycle can be very risky and may come with some serious side effects if your natural testosterone production is reduced.

[manmachine]

Okay I appreciate the info Jim. Thanks

[manmachine]

What would be your advice or suggestions then Jim.
Thanks

[ma_fighter]

An oral only in a low dose will do more harm then good.

You should *always* run Testosterone, at least at baseline levels/HRT dosages (generally 100-200 mg/ week) with any other AAS.
And if you're already pinning Test every week, why not just increase the test dosage instead of fu*king around with an oral thats going to be hepatoxic.

[songdog]

And to think they are picking on Lance LOL

[Gaspaco]

If you want to run something that is "safe" why would you run oral?

Run test cycle 400-500mg/week with AI and HCG, you cant go safest than that!

[manmachine]

Great info guys, thanks. I appreciate the advice.

[baseline_9]

TBOL is actually not very suppressive of the HPTA...

I would ask my mate to step in and explain his blood work results after taking TBOL only for an extended period of time.... However he is now banned...

You could maybe do your own research into how suppressive TBOL is on the HPTA.....

However if you were dead set on running an oral only cycle, TBOL would be one of the better options...

[Bio-Active]

TBOL is actually not very suppressive of the HPTA...

I would ask my mate to step in and explain his blood work results after taking TBOL only for an extended period of time.... However he is now banned...

You could maybe do your own research into how suppressive TBOL is on the HPTA.....

However if you were dead set on running an oral only cycle, TBOL would be one of the better options...

How suppressive any compound can be is very individual IMHO. Some are suppressed very easy and i hear of some that are not. I just do not think it is worth the risk to run an oral only.

[PrideR]

had a tbol cycle 30mg 6 weeks. kidney pain and dark urine the entire cycle
gained 10 pounds kept 8 after pct.

[Bio-Active]

had a tbol cycle 30mg 6 weeks. kidney pain and dark urine the entire cycle
gained 10 pounds kept 8 after pct.

You gained 10 lbs in 6weeks? I find it hard to believe that would be all muscle as most gain 10 to 15 lbs during a test cycle.

[PrideR]

3500+ kcal clean diet.
cuz of kidney problems i won't use tbol anymore i think its forming kidney stones or smth

[Alinjr]

What are your stats?

[manmachine]

Good to know again I appreciate all the feedback.
I realize that side effects and results are going to be on a individual case to case basis but it is still good to have the input

[PrideR]

use some liver detoxifiers if u plan a cycle & some Omega 3's

[Bio-Active]

Good to know again I appreciate all the feedback.
I realize that side effects and results are going to be on a individual case to case basis but it is still good to have the input

There is a ton of information on this board. Do not rush in to anything! take your time and read up Bro. Remember Test should be the base of any cycle.

[Sgt. Hartman]

I had to discontinue tbol from my last cycle due to lower back pumps and muscle cramping......it made cardio nearly impossible (any repetitive movement really) and was interfering with workouts too. Taurine helped a little but not enough.

I was running it much higher than what you're planning so maybe it wouldn't have that effect at such a low dose.....then again it might not have much effect at all at only 10mg.

I wouldn't worry at all about liver toxicity at such a low dose if you have no previous liver issues.

[manmachine]

So after a fair amount of research into T-bol, I have decided to go ahead and obtain this anabolic compound.
I have read articles on the former GDR sporting program, as well as "The pharmacokinetics of Oral-Turinabol in humans"
abstract and the full study of "Oral Turinabol and Its Metabolites" OT seems to be the least toxic to the human liver out of all the oral steroid compounds. One study using 25mgs per day showed no significant side effects in the control group at all.

For me, as an semi-competitive athlete (read: not a bodybuilder nor weightlifter) this compound seems to offer the best
potential for what I am trying to achieve. I.E. a bit better performance, quicker recovery time. (again, not looking to bulk up) There seems to be a lot of confusion when people reply or talk about dosages in relation to the target goal.

I have read up on the Former GDR State Plan 14.25 and T-bol was the wonder drug for all of the East Germans competitors- from their cyclists, runners, footballers, to the weightlifters and shot-putters, etc. It was a one-plan fits all type of anabolic (depending on the dosage- the endurance athletes did not take as much as the weightlifters and shot-putters did.

"This oral steroid is structurally a cross between methandrostenolone and clostebol (4-chlorotestosterone), having the same base structure as Dianabol with the added 4-chloro alteration of clostebol. This alteration makes chlorodehydromethyltestosterone a milder cousin of Dianabol, the new steroid displaying no estrogenic and a much less androgenic activity in comparison to its more famous counterpart." (-Llewellyn’s W. (2009)

Most of those E.G's athletes were being administered up to 100mg per day. Which, as we know now, did long-term damage and harm to many of those former athletes. The recommended clinical dosage in general is only 5mg per day. And typically for professional athletes, only 15mg to 40mg per day is recommended. Results have been noted even in the low as 5mg per day doses in some control group studies. After reading up on OT, I am confident that 10mg per day will show some slight positive results.

So my conclusion of reading what is out there and my own analysis, I am deciding to go with a 10mg dosage per day for my first 4-week cycle. Two reasons behind this. One, I want to make sure I have no-ill side effects and two, I firmly believe that 10mg per day will yield some results. If all goes well and after a 6 week off-cycle, I will go to 20mgs per day for another 4 weeks. Since this is my first time using anabolic's, I am going to err on the conservative side. Given my age of 48 and my small goals I'm looking to achieve as a semi-competitive cyclist and tennis player, I feel that there is no need to be aggressive in my dosing.

And, no I will not be stacking it with anything, thanks. Again...for the BB's and Weight guys/girls, that may be optimal. But I am choosing an oral cycle only and I don't expect big gains, nor do I want them.

I hope to begin my first cycle in mid April. I will report back after I begin. I will record my stats before and after for analysis. Thanks again to everyone for their input and advise. Big thanks Sgt and Jim, for your voices of reason and tolerance to a newbie!

[Bio-Active]

Just know going in that this will cause some suppression of your natty Test.

So after a fair amount of research into T-bol, I have decided to go ahead and obtain this anabolic compound.
I have read articles on the former GDR sporting program, as well as "The pharmacokinetics of Oral-Turinabol in humans"
abstract and the full study of "Oral Turinabol and Its Metabolites" OT seems to be the least toxic to the human liver out of all the oral steroid compounds. One study using 25mgs per day showed no significant side effects in the control group at all.

For me, as an semi-competitive athlete (read: not a bodybuilder nor weightlifter) this compound seems to offer the best
potential for what I am trying to achieve. I.E. a bit better performance, quicker recovery time. (again, not looking to bulk up) There seems to be a lot of confusion when people reply or talk about dosages in relation to the target goal.

I have read up on the Former GDR State Plan 14.25 and T-bol was the wonder drug for all of the East Germans competitors- from their cyclists, runners, footballers, to the weightlifters and shot-putters, etc. It was a one-plan fits all type of anabolic (depending on the dosage- the endurance athletes did not take as much as the weightlifters and shot-putters did.

"This oral steroid is structurally a cross between methandrostenolone and clostebol (4-chlorotestosterone), having the same base structure as Dianabol with the added 4-chloro alteration of clostebol. This alteration makes chlorodehydromethyltestosterone a milder cousin of Dianabol, the new steroid displaying no estrogenic and a much less androgenic activity in comparison to its more famous counterpart." (-Llewellyn’s W. (2009)

Most of those E.G's athletes were being administered up to 100mg per day. Which, as we know now, did long-term damage and harm to many of those former athletes. The recommended clinical dosage in general is only 5mg per day. And typically for professional athletes, only 15mg to 40mg per day is recommended. Results have been noted even in the low as 5mg per day doses in some control group studies. After reading up on OT, I am confident that 10mg per day will show some slight positive results.

So my conclusion of reading what is out there and my own analysis, I am deciding to go with a 10mg dosage per day for my first 4-week cycle. Two reasons behind this. One, I want to make sure I have no-ill side effects and two, I firmly believe that 10mg per day will yield some results. If all goes well and after a 6 week off-cycle, I will go to 20mgs per day for another 4 weeks. Since this is my first time using anabolic's, I am going to err on the conservative side. Given my age of 48 and my small goals I'm looking to achieve as a semi-competitive cyclist and tennis player, I feel that there is no need to be aggressive in my dosing.

And, no I will not be stacking it with anything, thanks. Again...for the BB's and Weight guys/girls, that may be optimal. But I am choosing an oral cycle only and I don't expect big gains, nor do I want them.

I hope to begin my first cycle in mid April. I will report back after I begin. I will record my stats before and after for analysis. Thanks again to everyone for their input and advise. Big thanks Sgt and Jim, for your voices of reason and tolerance to a newbie!

[manmachine]

Yes, I read about that- thanks for the heads up though. But apparently not as much as some of the other oral steriods.
That is another reason, I forgot to mention I will be taking a lower dose. Hopefully, it won't effect
my test too much.

[Granovich]

You gained 10 lbs in 6weeks? I find it hard to believe that would be all muscle as most gain 10 to 15 lbs during a test cycle.

its possible , i gained 6-7lbs in 4 weeks PH cycle and kept it even though i had poor diet and no PCT .

[InternalFire]

So after a fair amount of research into T-bol, I have decided to go ahead and obtain this anabolic compound.
I have read articles on the former GDR sporting program, as well as "The pharmacokinetics of Oral-Turinabol in humans"
abstract and the full study of "Oral Turinabol and Its Metabolites" OT seems to be the least toxic to the human liver out of all the oral steroid compounds. One study using 25mgs per day showed no significant side effects in the control group at all.

For me, as an semi-competitive athlete (read: not a bodybuilder nor weightlifter) this compound seems to offer the best
potential for what I am trying to achieve. I.E. a bit better performance, quicker recovery time. (again, not looking to bulk up) There seems to be a lot of confusion when people reply or talk about dosages in relation to the target goal.

I have read up on the Former GDR State Plan 14.25 and T-bol was the wonder drug for all of the East Germans competitors- from their cyclists, runners, footballers, to the weightlifters and shot-putters, etc. It was a one-plan fits all type of anabolic (depending on the dosage- the endurance athletes did not take as much as the weightlifters and shot-putters did.

"This oral steroid is structurally a cross between methandrostenolone and clostebol (4-chlorotestosterone), having the same base structure as Dianabol with the added 4-chloro alteration of clostebol. This alteration makes chlorodehydromethyltestosterone a milder cousin of Dianabol, the new steroid displaying no estrogenic and a much less androgenic activity in comparison to its more famous counterpart." (-Llewellyn’s W. (2009)

Most of those E.G's athletes were being administered up to 100mg per day. Which, as we know now, did long-term damage and harm to many of those former athletes. The recommended clinical dosage in general is only 5mg per day. And typically for professional athletes, only 15mg to 40mg per day is recommended. Results have been noted even in the low as 5mg per day doses in some control group studies. After reading up on OT, I am confident that 10mg per day will show some slight positive results.

So my conclusion of reading what is out there and my own analysis, I am deciding to go with a 10mg dosage per day for my first 4-week cycle. Two reasons behind this. One, I want to make sure I have no-ill side effects and two, I firmly believe that 10mg per day will yield some results. If all goes well and after a 6 week off-cycle, I will go to 20mgs per day for another 4 weeks. Since this is my first time using anabolic's, I am going to err on the conservative side. Given my age of 48 and my small goals I'm looking to achieve as a semi-competitive cyclist and tennis player, I feel that there is no need to be aggressive in my dosing.

And, no I will not be stacking it with anything, thanks. Again...for the BB's and Weight guys/girls, that may be optimal. But I am choosing an oral cycle only and I don't expect big gains, nor do I want them.

I hope to begin my first cycle in mid April. I will report back after I begin. I will record my stats before and after for analysis. Thanks again to everyone for their input and advise. Big thanks Sgt and Jim, for your voices of reason and tolerance to a newbie!

Talk about bringing 3 year old thread...

but it peaked my interest how did OP do with low dosage of TBOL?


Never returned to update, I wonder what's the conclusion on the subject?

[InternalFire]

Anyone who's familiar with bio-chemistry of TBOL and in general, could chime in?

I am eager to learn something about TBOL's ability to lower SHBG, at the lowest possible dosage like 5mg or 10mg, spread over long run while on TRT, maybe 2weeks on 1 week off, or 5 days on 2 days off etc, maybe EOD or E3D etc to use it only for the purpose to free up bound testosterone while on TRT (optimising TRT to its max without much sides if any at all), so there's more free testosterone available for the tissue as a result of lowering SHBG.

[Mr.BB]

Not very scientific, but the only thing tbol gave me was heartburns.

Weak compound IMO.

[InternalFire]

Not very scientific, but the only thing tbol gave me was heartburns.

Weak compound IMO.

Man, youre the masterpiece of making some one of a kind avatars

I know its "weak-dry DBOL analogue" in a sense, and I do read people dose it 50-100mg a day for 4-6 weeks to get good results, but I am not talking about the benefit of bulking directly from using it.

I am curious to know how low of a dose administered daily could lead to effectively lowered SHBG levels, which in TRT case would result in more free-testosterone from its bound state (total-T), resulting greatly increased in bioavailability for the damaged muscle tissue repair etc.

[InternalFire]

Oh, be noticed... BUMP!