I'm about ready to say fk this gear

[Until_It_Sleeps]

For the past 8 weeks I've been on 200mg test e injected once a week and 75mg tren ace injected every other day. I think it's just starting to hit me...in about two days I blew up ten pounds and I get really winded just walking a block. My lower back, calves and upper quads start pinching and cramping up, my chest hurts and I'm breathing hard. I've even got that weird toddler walk where I can't really put my arms down.

I don't know if the discomfort is from the sudden weight gain or if the gear is affecting my heart...not sure if I should stick with my current regime (was going to take a break in 2 wks anyway) or stop now. Or I just packing around a lot of water that some diuretics would relieve?

[Stosh_112]

Try cuttin ur tren down to 50 eod or take it out completely. Run the test and see how you feel. The ace should be out of the system in a few days.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

Ok so it's the tren that's doing this? This is the most I've ever run. I've used 100mg inj e 3d before.

[panntastic]

Your saying your only noticing the effects after 8 weeks?
I would check you don't have tren e not acetate

[XxAndreaxX]

sides @ 200 test E EW???? 75 tren A EOD???? maybe your gear is overdosed or mine was underdosed but 200EW of test is veeeery little, not much more than TRT, and 75 EOD tren isn't much either, but if something is causing you sides, it should be tren, although tren isn't related with water retention. and 200 test EW shouldn't be enough. are you taking AI??

[Back In Black]

sides @ 200 test E EW???? 75 tren A EOD???? maybe your gear is overdosed or mine was underdosed but 200EW of test is veeeery little, not much more than TRT, and 75 EOD tren isn't much either, but if something is causing you sides, it should be tren, although tren isn't related with water retention. and 200 test EW shouldn't be enough. are you taking AI??

You do know the OP is female, right?!?!

Though the AI question is valid!

[XxAndreaxX]

You do know the OP is female, right?!?!

Though the AI question is valid!

Whaaaaat??? female taking the most androgenic steroids @ male's beginner dose??? WOW!!!
OP, do you have some photos??? Do you have some virilization sides??? sorry but I'm very curious

[ironbeck]

sounds like the tren is hitting u hard girly......just discontinue the tren and these sides will subside a only a few short days if it's tren acetate?

[Alinjr]

It's definetly the trem. Lower your dose.

[fit2bOld]

Hey Sleeps sounds like that Tren is kickin some but. Cut the Tren back and see if that helps. Ive been running Tren e and am glad I just finished up night sweats the worst but the lethargy and being winded trying to do cardio really sucks.
Let us know how the adjustment works. Tren ace should clear pretty quick.

[Lunk1]

UIS...glad to see you back! It does sound alot like normal tren sides and I am shocked they have taken 8 weeks to manifest considering the short ester! There isn't much that can be done about the respitory issues caused by tren although as many have suggested, a lower dose certainly may help. My issues with tren are more pronounced at anything over 400mg EW (given your gender the range may be different).

Up you magnesium and this should assist with cramping. I cramp bad while on tren and it really does help to add more Magn.

[Bio-Active]

I am thinking its the tren as well. lower the dose of tren as suggested. Have you run tren before?

[Lunk1]

I am thinking its the tren as well. lower the dose of tren as suggested. Have you run tren before?

She has...just not this high!

[Until_It_Sleeps]

Yep, I have run before, and as for pics, my avatar is me.

Ok, gonna lower the dose...sucks cuz I finally got that extra biceps inch.

[Lunk1]

Yep, I have run before, and as for pics, my avatar is me.

Ok, gonna lower the dose...sucks cuz I finally got that extra biceps inch.

Did you not experience shortness of breath when you have used Tren before? I wipes me out walking to the fridge (and I make that trip often)

[Bio-Active]

Did you not experience shortness of breath when you have used Tren before? I wipes me out walking to the fridge (and I make that trip often)

This is why i never run the tren at high doses. 200-300 ew is plenty for me. Of course i keep the test around 600

[Granovich]

you look great. Good luck

[kelkel]

Did you not experience shortness of breath when you have used Tren before? I wipes me out walking to the fridge (and I make that trip often)

No kidding.

[Lunk1]

No kidding.

Gotta eat to grow big fella !

[fit2bOld]

Sweating my ass off at night at 250 a week can't imagine going any higher.

[Bio-Active]

Sweating my ass off at night at 250 a week can't imagine going any higher.

IMO Its not worth it as the sides outweigh the Benny's

[Lunk1]

Sweating my ass off at night at 250 a week can't imagine going any higher.

IMO Its not worth it as the sides outweigh the Benny's

I must disagree to a degree. For me 500mg is a sweet spot. Yes some more pronounced sides but not unbearable and the difference in gains from 250 to 500 was very noticeable FOR ME! Now when I jumped to 700 I saw nothing worth writing home about compared to the added sides!

[fit2bOld]

I'm thinking I much prefer Deca at this point. Will say that I'm not only got quite a bit stronger but the hardness and vascularitity are pretty apparent.

[Bio-Active]

I must disagree to a degree. For me 500mg is a sweet spot. Yes some more pronounced sides but not unbearable and the difference in gains from 250 to 500 was very noticeable FOR ME! Now when I jumped to 700 I saw nothing worth writing home about compared to the added sides!

300 seems to be were i get the most vascular. So i guess that's my sweet spot

[XxAndreaxX]

i did 275 and felt nothing, maybe some vascularity and dry-out... wil do next time 350

[ghettoboyd]

UIS...glad to see you back! It does sound alot like normal tren sides and I am shocked they have taken 8 weeks to manifest considering the short ester! There isn't much that can be done about the respitory issues caused by tren although as many have suggested, a lower dose certainly may help. My issues with tren are more pronounced at anything over 400mg EW (given your gender the range may be different).

Up you magnesium and this should assist with cramping. I cramp bad while on tren and it really does help to add more Magn.

i actually used clen at a low dose(40mcg) all summer running 600mg of tren(400mg test) when i went on my mountain biking treks every weekend to help with the whole respiratory issue...as you know clen is a broncial dialater and for me it made a huge improvement to my cardio/stamina capacity...just throwing that out there if the op is interested...

[Until_It_Sleeps]

I didn't have sides this bad at 200mg. And I was running clen, but 2 wks on and 2 off. I'm off now. I got the bad night sweats, as in waking up once a night with a soaked bed and having to change the sheets. Trensomnia; for a while only slept 2 hrs a night but now I get about 5. Worse acne, deeper voice. I don't care about stuff like that, but not being able to walk really bothers me. I'm like a broken down old lady, I always have to ask how far the parking is from stuff so I don't have to walk as far. Totally not worth the 15 inch arms, would rather have 14 inches and not feel so damn bad!

So if I just stop everything for 2 weeks and then restart with the tren at 50mg eod is that a good plan? I'm 16 wks from a show so I didn't plan on running more test, was going to switch to eq.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

Also have not seen big increases in strength. Of course I'm also dieting but not too drastic yet. I'm a bit stronger on leg day and on some shoulder and chest stuff, but that's about it.

[Atomini]

There's no way of pinpointing exactly what is happening but it's pretty evident that something is wrong when your body is giving you these signals. For one thing, you are running very heavy androgens at the same doses that MALE individuals use. The response of the female body to androgens can be very different from men. I do know that blood clotting issues and such are known female responses to heavy levels of androgens. Either way, your body is telling you something, so my advice is to kill the gear for a bit. You're lucky because as a female, you don't need to do PCT or anything or be concerned with any of that. So just come off and stay off for a little bit (a few weeks at least) and allow your body to normalize. Make sure you get bloodwork done (if you can), check bloodpressure regularly, etc. When you jump back on, there is no need for you to be doing 75mg EOD of Trenbolone or any of these insanely high doses (considering you are a female). Hell, even i'm not running that much Trenbolone on my current cycle right now, i'm only doing 50mg EOD with great results. At the end of the day, at this point in time you don't even know the cause of what's happening. Therefore, I would advise simply coming off and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not mess with diuretics if you think this is caused by water retention. Throwing a diuretic in your system is very dangerous at this point. Just come off, let your body adjust.

Note I have not read any of the other responses in this thread, I simply read your first post. So, if there are any details i've missed that need to be taken into consideration of my advice, please let me know.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

I thought my dose was average for a female who's been on for a few years like I have, didn't know it was high.

Ok, take a couple weeks off - can I stop everything or do I need to taper? I have some nolva, would that help at all?

Not sure if blood work would be useful without a baseline. Doctor visits always show mild hypertension and elevated heart rate, I assume that will be the case with any aas. I had a CBC back in late Oct and no red flags there.

[Lunk1]

I thought my dose was average for a female who's been on for a few years like I have, didn't know it was high.

Ok, take a couple weeks off - can I stop everything or do I need to taper? I have some nolva, would that help at all?

Not sure if blood work would be useful without a baseline. Doctor visits always show mild hypertension and elevated heart rate, I assume that will be the case with any aas. I had a CBC back in late Oct and no red flags there.

No need to taper and no need for Nolva or any other PCT!

[Atomini]

I thought my dose was average for a female who's been on for a few years like I have, didn't know it was high.

Ok, take a couple weeks off - can I stop everything or do I need to taper? I have some nolva, would that help at all?

Not sure if blood work would be useful without a baseline. Doctor visits always show mild hypertension and elevated heart rate, I assume that will be the case with any aas. I had a CBC back in late Oct and no red flags there.

Well, you are partially correct. I should have clarified by saying gear use among female athletes is all relative. The AVERAGE female AAS user won't even touch Testosterone or Trenbolone due to the higher risks associated with them for females. Hence why they will usually venture no farther than the comfort of compounds that are mild on the androgenic strength, such as Anavar, Primobolan, Winstrol, etc. Female BODYBUILDERS, however, have different goals that go beyond the average female AAS user and many of the females in that tier of users can be found commonly using the heavy hitting anabolics such as Testosterone and Trenbolone, which is what you're doing.

Nothing wrong with that, but remember that doses should still be sensible and modest. You are running 75mg EOD of Trenbolone (that's a standard dose for males). That works out to about 300mg weekly. Trenbolone being 5x the strength of Testosterone means that 300mg of Tren is the equivalent in strength of 1,500mg of Testosterone. That's a pig packing punch even for a male user. So, these things should be kept in mind.

In general though, I think its time for you to come off even for a few weeks. Chest pains, shortness of breath, and the other symptoms you listed are ALL indicative of some serious possible underlying issues. Nip it in the bud while you still can, and come off completely - no tapering. No need for Nolvadex or any PCT (you are a female, the one thing you can get away with is no PCT and abrupt termination of cycles). You'll obviously lose some size and strength, but you need at least a period of a few weeks totally clean of AAS to make sure you're OK, and to figure out what the issues were.

Once you get back on in lets say 4 weeks, you'll gain any lost size and strength back plus more. And when you do start again, go a little easier on the doses at first at least, so that you can see if any of these negative symtoms come up again.

Remember that AAS use for the purpose of performance and physique enhancement is always a risk, so take it with baby steps and always err on the side of caution.