Recomp

[Tron3219]

I've been doing intermittent fasting for awhile now, before the holidays I was being super strict with my food choices, I got down to about 201 (from 225ish) I think I was pushing 10-11%bf. after the holidays I've managed to gain about 5 pounds, prolly somewhere around 13% now. My progress has stalled out, its been more or less a lack of motivation, diet wise. I've decided to take a little hiatus on such a strict diet. Still eating better then 90% of people but not clean as I had been.

With that said, I want to start up a cycle here shortly. I'm fairly lean, and would like to keep it that way, with possibilities of losing fat in the process (but not the highest of priorities). I won't go into in depth details about my diet plan, unless asked to, but I'm going to be doing an on/off schedule as my workout routine. My workout days I will eat as if I'm bulking (500 cal above tdee), my off day ill be eating as if I'm cutting (500 cal below tdee). I've talked with a few ppl about different cycle options, just wanted to get some perspective from other folks.

I was thinking something along the lines of:

1-10; Test p: 200mg/eod

1-8; Npp: 100mg/eod

1-10; Winstrol: 100mg/day

3-10; var: 50mg/day

Ghrp-2/mod grf (1-29): 200/100mcg ea. on non workout(cardio) days

Ghrp-6/mod grf(1-29): 200/100mcg ea. on workout days

Thinking about b12 shots on workout days if the ghrp-6 doesnt increase my hunger on workout days enough.

Again, I'm looking to gain good quality lean mass while maintaining current bf, if not lowering it a hair.

[--->>405<<---]

whats in avi??

u gonna run ghrp2 and ghrp6 + mod grf with each??

[Lunk1]

I would consider changing the Test and NPP dosages around and drop the winny IMO. I don't like the way it makes my joints feel and I wouldn run the orals together like that. Just run the Var as you have laid out!

[Turkish Juicer]

Cycle critique: I wouldn't employ both Anavar and Winstrol in the same cycle for various reasons. I don't know about your cycle history and/or overall AAS experience; however, my experience has shown me that typical DHT sides can occur very rapidly and to a significant extent when multiple DHT compounds are stacked together. Moreover, 100mg Winstrol ED is a very generous amount IMO, and it should do a very good job combined with Test P and NPP in terms of meeting the demands of any cutting cycle. Again, I would either go with a higher dose of Anavar or just stick to Winstrol at the suggested dose.

Diet critique: I don't necessarily agree with the logic behind eating 500 cal above TDEE on training days and 500cal under TDEE on non-training days simply given the fact that your metabolism responds to patterns as opposed to instant modifications. If you approach your diet on a weekly base, you'll see that +500cal -500cal model eventually evens itself out. I am assuming you'll be getting +500cal from carbs on training days in order to be able to survive through high-volume workouts and cardio, hence -500cals from carbs on non-training days will help you burn more fat due to low insulin levels. Even if this is the logic behind it, I have to say I wouldn't bet on it because in the end your weekly caloric intake will be the same, which largely determines how the recomped physique will turn out in the end.

[--->>405<<---]

tron IMO u would get better recomp results if u CREATED a greater deficit on ur non-training days IMO. also ur gonna be on an EOD protocol right?

[Tron3219]

whats in avi??

u gonna run ghrp2 and ghrp6 + mod grf with each??

I'm gonna run the ghrp2 on non workout days (ipam) and ghrp6 on workout days. Ghrp should increase my hunger and hopefully help me eat my 3500-3700 clean cals a day.

[Tron3219]

I would consider changing the Test and NPP dosages around and drop the winny IMO. I don't like the way it makes my joints feel and I wouldn run the orals together like that. Just run the Var as you have laid out!

I thought about this too, on both accounts. I ran deconate at a higher dosage then test and had ok. Results, thought I'd switch it up and see how my results were with higher test. But....when I did the deca, I didn't really have a clue lol so I can't really compare. I've always been under the impression a lil nandrolone goes a long way lol. As far as the var and winny, I kinda figured that to b too many orals. I've ran winny before and it didn't hurt my joints at all, granted it was half that dose lol. But I think I will drop the winny and maybe bump the var up 10.

[Lunk1]

I thought about this too, on both accounts. I ran deconate at a higher dosage then test and had ok. Results, thought I'd switch it up and see how my results were with higher test. But....when I did the deca, I didn't really have a clue lol so I can't really compare. I've always been under the impression a lil nandrolone goes a long way lol. As far as the var and winny, I kinda figured that to b too many orals. I've ran winny before and it didn't hurt my joints at all, granted it was half that dose lol. But I think I will drop the winny and maybe bump the var up 10.

I like where your going with the orals...consider NPP, Deca, tren...all 19nor and I run them the same way. Low test to minimize estro conversion! Either way you go honestly is fine and you are right a little DOES work fine!

Edit: But then again I could be purposely trying to screw up your plans lol!

[Tron3219]

Cycle critique: I wouldn't employ both Anavar and Winstrol in the same cycle for various reasons. I don't know about your cycle history and/or overall AAS experience; however, my experience has shown me that typical DHT sides can occur very rapidly and to a significant extent when multiple DHT compounds are stacked together. Moreover, 100mg Winstrol ED is a very generous amount IMO, and it should do a very good job combined with Test P and NPP in terms of meeting the demands of any cutting cycle. Again, I would either go with a higher dose of Anavar or just stick to Winstrol at the suggested dose.

Diet critique: I don't necessarily agree with the logic behind eating 500 cal above TDEE on training days and 500cal under TDEE on non-training days simply given the fact that your metabolism responds to patterns as opposed to instant modifications. If you approach your diet on a weekly base, you'll see that +500cal -500cal model eventually evens itself out. I am assuming you'll be getting +500cal from carbs on training days in order to be able to survive through high-volume workouts and cardio, hence -500cals from carbs on non-training days will help you burn more fat due to low insulin levels. Even if this is the logic behind it, I have to say I wouldn't bet on it because in the end your weekly caloric intake will be the same, which largely determines how the recomped physique will turn out in the end.

Cycle issues addressed with lunks post

As far as the diet goes, that's my starting point, and like 405 says, I will probably reduce calories on no training days. But the way I plan on doing my fasting set up, on training days I have about a 4 hour window to consume 3500-3700 cals. where as on non training days, I will more then likely eat just one meal (starting off at 2500 cal). My goal isn't necessarily to cut, it's to gain lean mass without gaining body fat and the hopes of lowering bf. splitting days like that will allow me to b at maintenance cals but being able to fuel my workouts and recovery sufficiently, but consuming less then tdee on non workout days will burn fat, my fasting trial showed that, as did 405's.

I had a steady cal at 509 below tdee and was loosing about 2-3 pounds a week while maintaining lbm. Where as 405's fasting plan was a lil more dramatic then mine (prolly where I'll end up) and his accountability log speaks for itself! So I do believe that ur metabolism can respond instantly and there is no given set period in which u can "count your calories" and it's more of a running tally.

[Tron3219]

I like where your going with the orals...consider NPP, Deca, tren...all 19nor and I run them the same way. Low test to minimize estro conversion! Either way you go honestly is fine and you are right a little DOES work fine!

Edit: But then again I could be purposely trying to screw up your plans lol!

Yeah, there is logic to both philosophies. And I will probably try it ur way the very next cycle to get an accurate picture of how I react. But I wanted to run the prop out a lol further then the npp and I didn't wanna b that low of test with just the orals on the last couple weeks and the npp on the decline.

I know most pin both prop and npp eod. In the back of my head I was thinking doing them both daily (at half the given dosages) to keep the concentrations at an even more leveled state, but I'm not sure on the chemistry and if it would actually help keep the levels even or not.

[Alinjr]

I would consider changing the Test and NPP dosages around and drop the winny IMO. I don't like the way it makes my joints feel and I wouldn run the orals together like that. Just run the Var as you have laid out!

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