why do i now feel that test only wouldnt be enough ??

[hillbill78]

okay so i have never ran a test only cycle, my first cycle was prop & anavar which i feel was a good first cycle, no sides and good gains. i have ran 3 cycles all in all and each one has had at least 3 compunds in such as sust,deca,anavar now im thinking of going to basics due to price & also less sides so i have ran test at 800mg week which was last cycle of prop & oxys what about if now i run sustanon at 1000mg a week alone that will give amazing results if diets in check right ? dont necesarry need more than one compund ??? this will be my fourth cycle
sustanon 1000mg a week 500mg mon/thurs for 12 weeks
arimidex .25mg eod
pct 18 days after last pin
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20

[Soar]

That much sust is unnecessary, for if to be most effective you'll be pinning EOD. More compounds doesn't mean better results.

[hillbill78]

1000mg isnt unecesarry is it, if i was to be running 500mg sust a week with 100mg anavar a day that works out to be 1200mg of aas a week still

[krugerr]

1000mg isnt unecesarry is it, if i was to be running 500mg sust a week with 100mg anavar a day that works out to be 1200mg of aas a week still

You cant just say that the total for the week makes them the same. Running 1000mg/week test, is not the same as running 500mgtest/tren per week.

As said by Soar. For the Sust to be most effective, it needs to be done EOD. I would switch it out for a pure test. Your first 3 courses have all had 3compounds at least. Why not try a straight test cycle? Simple works, 500-600mg a week is a nice dose, you dont have to keep whacking up the dosage every course. I dont know anything about your stats, so I wont just give you a proposed course. I do think though that you need to drop it back to basics for your next cycle, and learn how you react to each compound. just my 2cents.

-Krugerr

[hillbill78]

well first cycle was prop/var second sust/deca/var third prop/oxys/winny and yea now im thinking for my next cycle run it slightly longer but also keep it simple and just testosterone. i will probally change my test to enanthate now then to save the frequent pinning

[kelkel]

Well said Kruggerr.

[marcus300]

What are your stats?
how long you been training?
From the sounds of your cycle history your running before you can walk, no need for increase dosages like you have been doing and also no need for the added compounds.

[hillbill78]

26
6'
92kg
14%
training 4/5 years last 3 being sereous

[Atomini]

I don't understand how people seem to think that Testosterone-only "isn't enough" or that it is too weak, or that certain doses of AAS are 'weak'. I've seen people throw out comments saying that 500mg/week of Testosterone is "weak" and is a "beginner dose". Excuse me? The human body only manufactures approximately 50 - 70mg weekly of Testosterone endogenously. 300mg weekly is considerably higher than that, let alone 500mg or more per week.

I do feel that many individuals tend to underestimate the power of Testosterone and anabolic steroids in general while at the same time expecting far too much from them. If nutrition and training is prim and proper, any person should easily be able to make excellent progress from 300 - 500mg weekly of Testosterone. And yet i'm seeing these ideas of 1,000mg weekly being thrown around. That's absolutely asinine for anyone who is not a competitive bodybuilder or someone who does not have 8 years of cycling experience under their belt and posssess some incredible stats.

Your stats of 202 lbs. (92kg), 14% bodyfat and approximately 3 years of serious training does not warrant the need for excessive doses of 1,000mg weekly of Testosterone. I could understand if you are 230 lbs. at 5% bodyfat and have been training for 10 years with 5 consistent years of AAS cycling behind you, but you're not.

[BobTheBodyBuilder]

great post Atomini

[songdog]

Bro it just comes down to your lack of knowledge of the compounds you are using.NO PUN.You started off wrong and you kept on that path.There is no reason for you to be doing the doses you are doing.Where are you going to be in 2yrs?

[MuscleInk]

I don't understand how people seem to think that Testosterone-only "isn't enough" or that it is too weak, or that certain doses of AAS are 'weak'. I've seen people throw out comments saying that 500mg/week of Testosterone is "weak" and is a "beginner dose". Excuse me? The human body only manufactures approximately 50 - 70mg weekly of Testosterone endogenously. 300mg weekly is considerably higher than that, let alone 500mg or more per week.

I do feel that many individuals tend to underestimate the power of Testosterone and anabolic steroids in general while at the same time expecting far too much from them. If nutrition and training is prim and proper, any person should easily be able to make excellent progress from 300 - 500mg weekly of Testosterone. And yet i'm seeing these ideas of 1,000mg weekly being thrown around. That's absolutely asinine for anyone who is not a competitive bodybuilder or someone who does not have 8 years of cycling experience under their belt and posssess some incredible stats.

Your stats of 202 lbs. (92kg), 14% bodyfat and approximately 3 years of serious training does not warrant the need for excessive doses of 1,000mg weekly of Testosterone. I could understand if you are 230 lbs. at 5% bodyfat and have been training for 10 years with 5 consistent years of AAS cycling behind you, but you're not.

Agreed. The belief that "more is always better" is seriously flawed. Sometimes less is more and less is better and increasing doses can lead to diminished returns. Like most drugs, there are optimal levels and beyond that point, risks increase and benefits diminish.

[Stosh_112]

Just run some straight up TEST, 500mg per wk. Put all the extra money ull be saving by not buying the extra compounds into the grocery cart. Besides, running high doses of any compound could lead to more unwanted sides...

[warmouth]

"Why do I fell test only wouldnt be enough?" Honestly, probably because you havent spent much time researching and studying. I amnot saying that negatively, but I am saying it because it is a common thing. Alot of guys see others who are more experienced and have been training and gearing up for years running multiple compounds, so they just assume that more compounds is better. I can attest that test only will produce the same "gains" asanything else as long as you are aiming your diet and training regime to accomplish your end goal. Many people prefer to use different compounds (always with a test base) because they prefer another androgen to be the "work horse" of their cycle. You understand what I am getting at? Like low dose test with higher tren or deca. They dont overload with high doses of everything normally, but enhance with different things. Test only is an awesome cycle, as it is simple, and you can gain or cut, or just maintain if that is your goal.

[Atomini]

Testosterone is quite literally THE most versatile and flexible anabolic steroid:

- It is very powerful

- It can be used FOR anything (cutting, bulking, lean mass)

- It can be used WITH anything (can be stacked with ANY other AAS no problem)

- It is THE ONLY anabolic steroid can can be run solitarily on its own with no problems at all

- It is the most natural anabolic steroid in the sense that our bodies already manufacture and use it, which leads to the next crucial point,

- It is the safest anabolic steroid you can use, which also further leads to the next very important point,

- Because it is the most natural anabolic steroid to the human body, and therefore the most safest, we KNOW everything it does and DOES NOT do. We know literally almost everything there is to know about it because it is an unadulterated anabolic steroid that does exactly what endogenously produced Testosterone does. When you compare this with all other anabolic steroid analogues, which are all modified and adulterated forms of Testosterone in one way or another, you will see that these modifications may create certain favorable changes but they also will create anabolic steroids that are inherently more dangerous and UNPREDICTABLE IN THE MANNER BY WHICH THEY OPERATE!!!!! For example, ANADROL is one such compound. Trenbolone and Nandrolone are two others! Anadrol is a DHT derivative but it is a very mysterious AAS that still causes severe Estrogenic side effects even though it can not possibly interact with the aromatase enzyme and therefore convert into Estrogen. This is because Anadrol itself acts as an Estrogen in various tissues in the body. Why is this? WE DON'T KNOW, IT IS UNKNOWN. Nandrolone and Trenbolone are both 19-nors, which classify them as Progestins... however, they are NOT Progesterone itself (which is the same thing as Anadrol being a DHT-derivative, but it is NOT Dihydrotestosterone), get it? But the problem is that because of their modifications, they act as a Progestin, however they exhibit for some unknown reason various side effects that Progesterone itself is known for doing the exact OPPOSITE (for example, increasing Prolactin secretion - this is something Progesterone should actually inhibit). Once again, it is unknown as to why this is the case. So why do these anabolic steroids all contain weird strange mystic properties that go completely against the theories behind their origins? It's because they are all tampered forms of Testosterone! It is possible that they exhibit other negative attributes on the human body that we do not know about due to their modifications.

These list of points and advantages of Testosterone can not be said for any other anabolic steroid among the hundreds of different analogues. So, the point is: do a god damn Testosterone-only cycle, and keep the doses sensible and considerate. That means not doing 1,000mg weekly of Testosterone. These are very powerful drugs to be respected at all times. The second you underestimate and lose respect for these drugs is the second you start down that slippery slope of screwing your body up, because these things WILL do damage to you if you are not diligent and considerate.

Respect the hormone and the hormone will respect you!

[Alinjr]

^^^Well said.

[kelkel]

"Respect the hormone and the hormone will respect you!"

We now have a new catch phrase!