If it fits your macros.....whats your take on this?

[energizer bunny]

Im interested to see what your take on this is?

On a purely fat loss perspective if it fits your cals and macros does eating "clean foods" vs "dirty foods" really matter?

in my opinion to hit your cals and macros youd have to eat pretty good anyway........but say you hit 80% in "clean foods" and the other 20% in "dirty food" would that make any difference in body composition than hitting 100% clean foods?



now im not saying this is or isnt correct (im not educated enough on this to do so) id just like to know what your opinions are..

cheers

[gbrice75]

Are you and Lunk in cahoots!?! lol... see below... basically the same topic.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...l#.UP2fqx1EGSo

[energizer bunny]

Cheers GB but cals vs cals to me is a different topic......i mean you could get 2000 cals from as 405 says krispie cream dougnuts vs 2000 good cals say chicken breast.....well i know for a fact you couldnt hit macros doing this.......i would like to hear your thoughts on hitting cals and macros?

cheers GB

[slimshady01]

Layne Norton who backs everything up with science says for weight loss it doesn't matter but to make sure u count fiber as a macro which makes it harder.. From a health standpoint obvously u will have better micro nutrients with healthier "clean" foods.. But weight loss it won't matter.. I've tried both ..

[energizer bunny]

Layne Norton who backs everything up with science says for weight loss it doesn't matter but to make sure u count fiber as a macro which makes it harder.. From a health standpoint obvously u will have better micro nutrients with healthier "clean" foods.. But weight loss it won't matter.. I've tried both ..

cheers for the reply mate.......yep layne norton is full of great information! ill have google,,,,,

its got to be hard to hit cals and macros with junk type foods.....so eating nutritious foods is a must me thinks.

[--->>405<<---]

bunny the answer depends on too many factors to make a blanket statement. the answer will also vary depending who is asking the question..

[energizer bunny]

bunny the answer depends on too many factors to make a blanket statement. the answer will also vary depending who is asking the question..

cheers 405........ill have to get researching...

[jimmyinkedup]

I think it wont matter as far as physical composition but definitely matters from an overall health perspective.

[digsy1983]

the 'if it fits your macros' style of dieting is probably going to be harder to follow/stick to, due to the food choices probably being simpler carbs 'sugar' and unhealthy fats. so youll will end up craving more and more unhealthy foods than healthy. i personally found that when i cut out all sugary foods, mainly fruit, my taste actually changed and i found it easier and alot more enjoyable eating healthy foods.

going down the route of a cheat meal once a week is proably going to keep you alot more within the limits of your diet than tempting fate and eating unhealthy foods most of the time.

[energizer bunny]

the 'if it fits your macros' style of dieting is probably going to be harder to follow/stick to, due to the food choices probably being simpler carbs 'sugar' and unhealthy fats. so youll will end up craving more and more unhealthy foods than healthy. i personally found that when i cut out all sugary foods, mainly fruit, my taste actually changed and i found it easier and alot more enjoyable eating healthy foods.

going down the route of a cheat meal once a week is proably going to keep you alot more within the limits of your diet than tempting fate and eating unhealthy foods most of the time.

cheers mate.........are there is no way im going to try and eat junk food and work into my cals and macros, just thinking if i can get away with not eating say chicken breast and brocoli bland every day, i might have chicken thigh or turkey bacon with my brocoli etc........maybe more shakes with oats than tin of tuna..........just trying to see what i can fit into my life...

[energizer bunny]

I think it wont matter as far as physical composition but definitely matters from an overall health perspective.

this i think is very true mate.........eating junk foods all the time will never be good, but factoring a burger into your macros occasionally within an overall healthy diet might make life a bit easier..

[--->>405<<---]

bunny a good rule of thumb IMO:

start strict with choices and stay that way until u get to ur desired bf% THEN experiment. no one wants to waste time when cutting

[gbrice75]

A wise man once told me, and I agree... that in this sport, there are minimalists, and there are extremists. Who's who should be very evident by their physique.

[energizer bunny]

bunny a good rule of thumb IMO:

start strict with choices and stay that way until u get to ur desired bf% THEN experiment. no one wants to waste time when cutting

im still sticking to my original plan for now mate cheers..........this topic is very interesting to me and i like to see what you guys think......

[energizer bunny]

A wise man once told me, and I agree... that in this sport, there are minimalists, and there are extremists. Who's who should be very evident by their physique.

lol nice one..........ill never be an extremist in bodybuilding, just want a decent body not a fatty one lol,,,,,,,,sure there is a middle ground for my goals.

[carib102]

cheers mate.........are there is no way im going to try and eat junk food and work into my cals and macros, just thinking if i can get away with not eating say chicken breast and brocoli bland every day, i might have chicken thigh or turkey bacon with my brocoli etc........maybe more shakes with oats than tin of tuna..........just trying to see what i can fit into my life...

I've done this in the past when dropping bf and to me it seemed to make no difference as long as it was done in moderation and the rest of the weeks meals came in line with macros (note that I said weeks meals...I don't think you need to necessarily hit daily macros). That being said, once I hit around 12%bf it DID seem to make a difference, although the slow down in fat loss could have simply been because it is harder to go from 12% to 10% than it is from 16% to 14%.

At the end of the day though we all process our nutrients differently so the only way to know if it will work for you is to try it and track everything while doing so. Then you'll know

[-KJ-]

I mean a calorie may be a calorie but a calorie from chicken breast will require a lot more to be broken down than candy bar.

[--->>405<<---]

I mean a calorie may be a calorie but a calorie from chicken breast will require a lot more to be broken down than candy bar.

1 calorie is indeed 1 calorie in the sense they both have the required amount of energy to raise 1kg water 1 kelvin at standard atmospheric pressure.

IMO thats where it ends. macronutrient breakdown or percentages of foods are what give them their specific effectiveness as a functioning food. id be willing to bet if u followed all these so called "calorie is a calorie" people around for a week u would find most of em probably do not reflect that belief in their actions, specifically, what they put into their bodies. my guess is that before they lift theyre gonna eat protein and carbs. after they lift theyre gonna have protein. the types of carbs might vary but the presence of protein will definitely be there.

if a calorie is a calorie then we would only need to eat "X" amount of cals per day and it wouldnt matter where they came from. this is absurd. i suggest u recruit these guys and have em drink nothing but their total caloric requirements in olive oil for 6 months and lets see how good they look and feel as well as how well they perform.

[gbrice75]

^^^ this

[Papiriqui]

1 calorie is indeed 1 calorie in the sense they both have the required amount of energy to raise 1kg water 1 kelvin at standard atmospheric pressure.

IMO thats where it ends. macronutrient breakdown or percentages of foods are what give them their specific effectiveness as a functioning food. id be willing to bet if u followed all these so called "calorie is a calorie" people around for a week u would find most of em probably do not reflect that belief in their actions, specifically, what they put into their bodies. my guess is that before they lift theyre gonna eat protein and carbs. after they lift theyre gonna have protein. the types of carbs might vary but the presence of protein will definitely be there.

if a calorie is a calorie then we would only need to eat "X" amount of cals per day and it wouldnt matter where they came from. this is absurd. i suggest u recruit these guys and have em drink nothing but their total caloric requirements in olive oil for 6 months and lets see how good they look and feel as well as how well they perform.

Correct!!! Not to mention that with junk food you will never hit your protein intake (unless you go over your caloric daily intake) which is one of the things we try to hit to keep muscle loss at a minimum while cutting which is the whole idea. Burn fat and keep hard earn muscle....

[jimmyinkedup]

Keep in mind guys the OP's position isn't a cal is a cal - it's more like If you hit your macros does it matter how. The macro split inclusion changes the game significantly in my opinion.

[energizer bunny]

cheers for all the replys but as inkedup says this thread isnt about cal vs cal, thats another thread from lunk..........i would never think a 1000 cals from chocolate will do the same for you as 1000 cals from chicken..

cheers

[Papiriqui]

Im interested to see what your take on this is?

On a purely fat loss perspective if it fits your cals and macros does eating "clean foods" vs "dirty foods" really matter?

in my opinion to hit your cals and macros youd have to eat pretty good anyway........but say you hit 80% in "clean foods" and the other 20% in "dirty food" would that make any difference in body composition than hitting 100% clean foods?



now im not saying this is or isnt correct (im not educated enough on this to do so) id just like to know what your opinions are..

cheers

Jimmy but at least in my case i designed the diet specifically to hit certain macros so if i deviate from that and i got for a burger and fries rather than 2 or 3 of my meals to even out calories, i will never hit my protein intake for the day but obviously i would go over in carbs and fats. I dont know if im explaining correctly what i am thinking LOL.

[Papiriqui]

Double Post. Yeah as long as you hit your goal macros wise, i dont care if they came from a lollipop LOL, obviously that isnt real but yes you are right!!!

[energizer bunny]

Correct!!! Not to mention that with junk food you will never hit your protein intake (unless you go over your caloric daily intake) which is one of the things we try to hit to keep muscle loss at a minimum while cutting which is the whole idea. Burn fat and keep hard earn muscle....

exactly,,,,,,i dont mean junk food as such........more so swapping white rice for brown, more shakes in water than tins of tuna, chicken thigh instead of chicken breast, fatty cuts of beef over lean etc etc............maybe fit the odd junk meal here and there but i personally dont think it would be posibles to hit cals and macros with pure junk type foods e.g mcdonalds

[energizer bunny]

Jimmy but at least in my case i designed the diet specifically to hit certain macros so if i deviate from that and i got for a burger and fries rather than 2 or 3 of my meals to even out calories, i will never hit my protein intake for the day but obviously i would go over in carbs and fats. I dont know if im explaining correctly what i am thinking LOL.

this in bold is the key,,,and hitting cals

[Papiriqui]

exactly,,,,,,i dont mean junk food as such........more so swapping white rice for brown, more shakes in water than tins of tuna, chicken thigh instead of chicken breast, fatty cuts of beef over lean etc etc............maybe fit the odd junk meal here and there but i personally dont think it would be posibles to hit cals and macros with pure junk type foods e.g mcdonalds

Yeah like 405 mentioned earlier, you should stick now with all lean foods for a while to cut as much as possible and than start playing with different things and see how your body reacts to those foods, sometimes it is not worth it, 30 minutes of pleasure and a whole day being bloated, talking from personal experience!!!

But you need to keep sane so a cheat meal from time to time is not a bad idea, you can always do carb cycling which lets you indulge in the bad choices we normally stay away from. Different things work differently. Just give it a try and see for yourself and what works best for you to achieve your goal

[energizer bunny]

Yeah like 405 mentioned earlier, you should stick now with all lean foods for a while to cut as much as possible and than start playing with different things and see how your body reacts to those foods, sometimes it is not worth it, 30 minutes of pleasure and a whole day being bloated, talking from personal experience!!!

But you need to keep sane so a cheat meal from time to time is not a bad idea, you can always do carb cycling which lets you indulge in the bad choices we normally stay away from. Different things work differently. Just give it a try and see for yourself and what works best for you to achieve your goal

cheers papi!.......the reason i came across this subject was simply because i wanted to have more shakes with whey,water and oats during the working day and it just spiraled from there...........so now i have more shakes because there aint a problem with that..........the rest is just interesting and something i think will suit my goals more than being super strict with bland foods.............ill keep track and see exactly were it takes me.

cheers.

[energizer bunny]

http://www.shreddedknowledge.com/hom...-layne-norton/

interesting interview with layne norton,,,,,,,,hits a little on this whole macro deal

[-KJ-]

1 calorie is indeed 1 calorie in the sense they both have the required amount of energy to raise 1kg water 1 kelvin at standard atmospheric pressure.

IMO thats where it ends. macronutrient breakdown or percentages of foods are what give them their specific effectiveness as a functioning food. id be willing to bet if u followed all these so called "calorie is a calorie" people around for a week u would find most of em probably do not reflect that belief in their actions, specifically, what they put into their bodies. my guess is that before they lift theyre gonna eat protein and carbs. after they lift theyre gonna have protein. the types of carbs might vary but the presence of protein will definitely be there.

if a calorie is a calorie then we would only need to eat "X" amount of cals per day and it wouldnt matter where they came from. this is absurd. i suggest u recruit these guys and have em drink nothing but their total caloric requirements in olive oil for 6 months and lets see how good they look and feel as well as how well they perform.

i wasnt implying that all calories are equal if thats what u thought lol

[--->>405<<---]

Keep in mind guys the OP's position isn't a cal is a cal - it's more like If you hit your macros does it matter how. The macro split inclusion changes the game significantly in my opinion.

cheers for all the replys but as inkedup says this thread isnt about cal vs cal, thats another thread from lunk..........i would never think a 1000 cals from chocolate will do the same for you as 1000 cals from chicken..

cheers

yes that is correct i was simply compelled to elaborate on KJ's post # 17 i suppose i shouldve quoted it!

[LiveFitBeFit]

I do it everyday. Hit my daily macros and micros such as fiber, which are very important and often forgotten... I have started this diet and got down to 7% BF and Im not even competing. figure ur macros and hit those #'s. Get a calorie counting app such as Myfitnesspal or cal count...