Im ready to do a cycle this year.

[ironman1982]

Any info is taken onboard so thanks in advance.

i will be planning my first proper cycle this year.

id like a short 8 week cycle of propionate and winstrol

prop 1-8 100mg eod

winstrol 4-8 30mg ed

ai's will be on hand incase i shal only use if needed to be honest

simple pct of clomid 8-12 50mg ed
tamoxifen 8-12 20mg ed.

im not after mass at all im after lean gains only

im 6ft 1 and im 181 lbs and id guess 17-19% fat and 30 years old.

i have a log in the members pictures which i will log this cycle when im ready.

id like all pros and cons of this

[krugerr]

Your suggested course is nice and simple, however, I would run just Test by itself for the first run. Also, you seem a little on the light side, and you dont really know your BF%. At best you might be 150lbs lean, I would suggest you forget the idea of running anything until you take a good look at your diet. If you're struggling to gain weight now, you wont gain anything whilst on a cycle.

Just my 2cents.

-Krugerr

[mbwood]

Your suggested course is nice and simple, however, I would run just Test by itself for the first run. Also, you seem a little on the light side, and you dont really know your BF%. At best you might be 150lbs lean, I would suggest you forget the idea of running anything until you take a good look at your diet. If you're struggling to gain weight now, you wont gain anything whilst on a cycle.

Just my 2cents.

-Krugerr

Yup this. Nothing wrong with doing steroids early on in your career.. but if you aren't at the point where you can gain muscle easily as a natural, then your cycle is probably going to be wasted. I see lots of people with sh*t training that get mediocre results even from large amounts of hormones because their training is ****ing garbage. Lift for AT LEAST another 6 months, do tons of research in general about nutrition, training, physiology etc.. Then when you are better equipped, think about hormones.

6'1" w/ 150-160lbs of LBM is pretty ****ing tiny. You have tons of natty gains to make (yes even though you're 31 years old).

[ironman1982]

thanks, i was 205lbs last year and i was gonna do it then but was told to get my bf down before cycle. my diet is clean as a whistle i dont have any cheat days and i hate junk food.

have a look at my members pictures as i put a few up and you can guess my fat.

i take your advice onboard and i shall think this through properly

[ironman1982]

heres some more info i should have said

ive lifted for 4 years

i used to be a skinny guy at 149lbs and it is very hard for me too gain weight,

i could very very easily hit 220lbs eating absolute mess all day but this is not the road i want ive managed to stay lean the whole time ive been lifting and my weight sems to have hit a point where its not budging.

i dont want to be big at all, being big in my opinion is STILL overweight no matter how you see it, id be happy being very lean at 200lbs

[bdos]

in the end your going to do what you want to do but a simple test cycle first.

[krugerr]

in the end your going to do what you want to do but a simple test cycle first.

This. It sounds like you've already decided to proceed with the course, regardless of our suggestions. Personally, I think that you have way too much natural growth left to do before you do a cycle. If you were to do your research, you would know that you could get your diet right and add mass without too much BF gain. And since you're already around the 20% bodyfat margin, I think that you're argument is void lol.

Regards
Krugerr

[Alinjr]

Like it was said, lower your BF% some and if this is your 1st cycle go with test only. Good Luck.

[ironman1982]

i am taking this onboard guys, i have refrained from aas for 4 yrs training im sure im strong enough to manage another year unlike most young ones these days and its not a spur of the moment situation. what would be a good number to get my bf down to before running a cycle.

thank you for your advice.

[qscgugcsq]

I would use enanthate instead of prop and I would switch winstrol for anavar.

Simply because it your first run you need to know how you react with test only. BUT!!! If you use var for the last 6 week on a 12 weeks cycle and IF you frontload, you'll feel the testosterone after 2 week and will have 1 month with test only. So you'll be able to know how you react with test. So you will be able to use var or another compound.

Secondly, your goal is lean gain And I think lot will agree with me, var will gives you more lean gain than winstrol... And even if you wanted to shredded winstrol will be great only at 10-12% bf.

Anavar is more expensive but it's alot greater than winstrol IMHO.

[ironman1982]

thank you for your post,

so would i front load with var like week 1-4 and test enth 1-12

i shall try my hardest to get my bf down to maybe 15%

i will not cycle at the moment

thanks everyone for there input

if anyone has any more advice ill take it.

[qscgugcsq]

thank you for your post,

so would i front load with var like week 1-4 and test enth 1-12

i shall try my hardest to get my bf down to maybe 15%

i will not cycle at the moment

thanks everyone for there input

if anyone has any more advice ill take it.

Do not frontload with var... It will be pretty useless IMO...

Frontload with test enanthate(or cypionate) Your first pin put 20% more than your weekly dose(ex.: 500mg/week will make your first pin 600mg) and continue with half weekly dose for all your other pins.(so first pin 600mg/second 250mg/third 250mg and ... You understand what I mean...

I don't find the link of a great post I've read. In short, Frontloading will make your test kick in faster, so instead of kick in at week 4-5 it will kick in in 1-2 weeks. That's why I think that you could use var for the last 6 weeks because you had 6 weeks of testosterone to feel it so adding another compound won't be a problem.

It's fine to do 8 weeks prop with 4-8 week var I just think 4 weeks is a bit short for var and prop to fully understand how our body react with each compound. (That's my opinion I even never cycled yet so maybe 4 week is plenty Idk for sure :S )

[songdog]

Brojust keep your cycle simple! this is your 1st time.No front loading and no 2nd compound.You DONT need it you will grow like a weed beacuse its your 1st.Some people like to do different things but this is wat we endorse.

[warmouth]

I like Prop. It is by far my favorite test ester. I ran it my first time with 0 problems. In and out quicker, shorter cycle, Pct can start right away. I like winstrol and anavar. Can say I prefer on over the other, but I will say I have alot of winstrol stockpiled, and have no anavar. Good luck!

[ironman1982]

Thank you warmouth,

Thats what i was thinking shorter cycle, if i stop gaining at even say week 6 or 7 i can stop then also.

do you guys think i should wait another year and see where i am?

thanks everyone for there input