3rd cycle

[Hukebuck]

This will be my 3rd cycle. I want to add deca but more i read on it more i talk myself out of it. Ive got test E and deca on hand no matter what ill be on 500mg of test E but wanting to see the result and hyp on deca everyone talks about. If i decide to run it id do 250mg a week weeks 1-8. Ive got adex at .25mg eod of course pct nolva and clom also have hcg if i do the deca ill do on cycle weeks 1-8 at 250iu twice a week. My question is do i need anything else reading bout having caber on hand just in case sides from deca but dont have any.

Cycle
Test E 500mg week for 10 weeks
.25 adex eod
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

Or

Test E 500mg weeks 1-10
Deca 250 mg week split into 125mg inj along with E inj weeks 1-8
.25 adex eod
Hcg 250iu twice week
Pct same as above

Ive got a log in the diet sec and diet is on key. Its got pics and stats. Work out on key. Been off cycle for around 7-8 months. Gone through a nasty divorce and lost motivation and a fair amount of my gains from last cycle but back on spot now, which is another reason im skeptical on doin deca until i get my gains back. Any advice appriciated

[Granovich]

dont run deca, its harsh and takes long time to clear out of the system and recovery takes months sometimes
do shorts esthers cycle
test prop 8 weeks @ 150mg EOD or 75mg ED
and NPP 7 weeks @ 100mg EOD
and you can use Oral like winstrol for 4-5 weeks ( last weeks of cycle )
use HCG throughout and AI, also get some caber and keep it on hand or use it at 0.25mg E3d throughout
3 days after cycle then start 6 weeks PCT , nolvadex/clomid..

NPP is just like deca
relatively less water retention
way faster
gets out of the system fast so you can start PCT soon and recover faster
provide same relief for joints
perfect for first try of 19nors...
this is my opinion ... DIET and workout and 8 hrs sleep AND after cycle solid PCT and diet as well

[Stosh_112]

"Granovich" 3rd cycle and ur saying go ahead and runa 19-nor??? For my 3rd cycle u said stay away from the 19's and stick with test only. OP stick with the Test-E only and run it for 12 wks instead of 10wks, ull see more results from 2 more wks of E.

[c-Z]

Not to memtion deca for 8 weeks is practically useless..... run 12 week test e. Cant ever go wrong w test.

[Hukebuck]

Thanks for the replys. Sounds like ill be gettin rid of my deca and stickin with the E. ill run the extra two weeks thats no big deal ive got plenty of E and negative sides i havent had yet on the other two cycles so that sounds like my plan. Thanks and if anyone wants to follow im goin to log in my original log in the nutrition section and prob will pin mon morn

[Papa Smurf]

op...if your looking to stack compounds on a cycle, try adding some dbol the first 6 weeks of your test E cycle.

[Hukebuck]

Ill have to do some research on dbol before id do that. Ill search it today and decide if it sounds like something i might be interested in adding and if so ill just postpone my start date. Thanks for another option

[Hukebuck]

Smurf: been reading in dbol a little bit. Whys that preffered over npp or deca? Im stickin with my plan of test only cycle as advised but looking to add a compound next time and getting everything together for my last order for the year. Also read 20-30mg of dbol through out the day for 6 weeks? Im going to continue reading and as stated im not running anything except test this cycle but what would be a breakdown cycle for a first timer on dbol? Never had orals always ben detered from them due to liver damage. Aslo i guess deca is a thing of the "past" cause i used to know a bunch that liked it and swore by it but the sides seemed harsh until i talked myself into buying it now detered from it also

[BBrian]

I don't want to offend anyone but I believe there are some misconceptions about Nandrolone (deca) here.

First of all NPP is Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. Deca is Nandrolone Decanoate. The difference is the ester attached; phenylprop is a short ester, whereas deca is a long ester, comparible to cypionate. Either way, you are dealing with the same compound. Secondly, nandrolone is not a compound, in my experience, that should be used to build mass in and of itself, but rather to aid the body cope with the strength and stamina increases that come with other compounds. It's benefits are shown to include increased red blood cell production, bone density, appetite, muscle mass to a slight degree, but most people use it for its positive affect on the joints. I've personally used it with great success to heal a shoulder injury incurred from a judo match that put me out of commission for several months. Third, I don't agree that eight weeks is not enough time to see benefits from Nandrolone Decanoate. Like any compound with a long ester attached, it takes a few weeks to reach a suitable level in the body, but I've used it in eight week test cycles and its presence was very obvious. And just like test cyp/enan, the ester dictates how long it lingers in the body post cycle.

On another note, Nandrolone has many adverse side effects. Only cycles with deca have given me gyno (which I realize is debatable), it causes an incredible amount of water retention, and recent studies have shown that it causes the hardening of arteries (Atherosclerosis). On top of that, Nandrolone has been shown to lower levels of luteinizing hormone through negative feedback, i.e. erectile dysfunction/"deca dick". I used to include this in every cycle, but I've chosen not to use it anymore.

[MickeyKnox]

Smurf: been reading in dbol a little bit. Whys that preffered over npp or deca? Im stickin with my plan of test only cycle as advised but looking to add a compound next time and getting everything together for my last order for the year. Also read 20-30mg of dbol through out the day for 6 weeks? Im going to continue reading and as stated im not running anything except test this cycle but what would be a breakdown cycle for a first timer on dbol? Never had orals always ben detered from them due to liver damage. Aslo i guess deca is a thing of the "past" cause i used to know a bunch that liked it and swore by it but the sides seemed harsh until i talked myself into buying it now detered from it also

Just wanted to applaud your decision to stick to a Test Only first cycle.

As far as the Dbol is concerned, i think you would benefit nicely from a 30mg to 40mg/day protocol. Dbol's half life is about 6-8 hours, so ideal protocols would dictate 10mg every 8 hours in a 24 hour period. Or, depending on the strength of your tabs, 15mg every 8 hours (45mg/day) would be fine as well. But i don't recommend this until after your Test Only cycle.

I don't want to offend anyone but I believe there are some misconceptions about Nandrolone (deca) here.

First of all NPP is Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. Deca is Nandrolone Decanoate. The difference is the ester attached; phenylprop is a short ester, whereas deca is a long ester, comparible to cypionate. Either way, you are dealing with the same compound. Secondly, nandrolone is not a compound, in my experience, that should be used to build mass in and of itself, but rather to aid the body cope with the strength and stamina increases that come with other compounds. It's benefits are shown to include increased red blood cell production, bone density, appetite, muscle mass to a slight degree, but most people use it for its positive affect on the joints. I've personally used it with great success to heal a shoulder injury incurred from a judo match that put me out of commission for several months. Third, I don't agree that eight weeks is not enough time to see benefits from Nandrolone Decanoate. Like any compound with a long ester attached, it takes a few weeks to reach a suitable level in the body, but I've used it in eight week test cycles and its presence was very obvious. And just like test cyp/enan, the ester dictates how long it lingers in the body post cycle.

On another note, Nandrolone has many adverse side effects. Only cycles with deca have given me gyno (which I realize is debatable), it causes an incredible amount of water retention, and recent studies have shown that it causes the hardening of arteries (Atherosclerosis). On top of that, Nandrolone has been shown to lower levels of luteinizing hormone through negative feedback, i.e. erectile dysfunction/"deca dick". I used to include this in every cycle, but I've chosen not to use it anymore.

Fantastic write up Brian, where the heck you been??

Quick question: Did you experience similar negative sides (gyno, water retention) when using the short ester? You mention the Deca ester giving you the jimmies, but im wondering what your experience was with the short ester PhenylProp. Also, when you used the short ester did you find that water retention was about the same or was there a marked difference between the two?

Thanks.

[Hukebuck]

Mickeyknox: this is my 3rd cycle. Previous cycle is test E only and second cycle sust and test e at the end. As far as this cycle yes ill stick with 500mg of test e only for 12 weeks but 4th cycle prep im thinking of adding a compound and was just wondering deca or dbol... But thanks for the breakdown on dbol dosages

[BBrian]

Fantastic write up Brian, where the heck you been??

Quick question: Did you experience similar negative (gyno) sides when using the short ester? You mention the Deca ester giving you the jimmies, but im wondering what your experience was with the short ester PhenylProp. Also, when you used the short ester did you find that water retention was about the same or was there a marked difference between the two?

Thanks.

Thanks Mickey! I've been hiding in the hills and woods of Kentucky for quite a while now, but I just moved to Florida and I've decided to be social again I appreciate the warm welcome man.

To answer your questions, all side effects were far less pronounced with the phenylpropionate. But this wasn't surprising to me as the same seems to apply with testosterone. Estrogen related sides, water retention, all of it. I'm surprised that the prop version is so hard to come by, because quite frankly I found it to be far superior.

[MickeyKnox]

Mickeyknox: this is my 3rd cycle. Previous cycle is test E only and second cycle sust and test e at the end. As far as this cycle yes ill stick with 500mg of test e only for 12 weeks but 4th cycle prep im thinking of adding a compound and was just wondering deca or dbol... But thanks for the breakdown on dbol dosages

Oh, my apologies my friend. I didn't see that.

Thanks Mickey! I've been hiding in the hills and woods of Kentucky for quite a while now, but I just moved to Florida and I've decided to be social again I appreciate the warm welcome man.

To answer your questions, all side effects were far less pronounced with the phenylpropionate. But this wasn't surprising to me as the same seems to apply with testosterone. Estrogen related sides, water retention, all of it. I'm surprised that the prop version is so hard to come by, because quite frankly I found it to be far superior.

Youre welcome Brian.

The transparent truth is i was wondering about you awhile ago. I missed reading your articulate and informative posts - im sure im not the only one who feels this way. Anyway, glad to see you have returned to the community.

And thanks for answering my question.

[Hukebuck]

No worries just prepping the right way and finding all the info i need to before adding a compound to next cycle

[misterwazza]

I don't want to offend anyone but I believe there are some misconceptions about Nandrolone (deca) here.

First of all NPP is Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. Deca is Nandrolone Decanoate. The difference is the ester attached; phenylprop is a short ester, whereas deca is a long ester, comparible to cypionate. Either way, you are dealing with the same compound. Secondly, nandrolone is not a compound, in my experience, that should be used to build mass in and of itself, but rather to aid the body cope with the strength and stamina increases that come with other compounds. It's benefits are shown to include increased red blood cell production, bone density, appetite, muscle mass to a slight degree, but most people use it for its positive affect on the joints. I've personally used it with great success to heal a shoulder injury incurred from a judo match that put me out of commission for several months. Third, I don't agree that eight weeks is not enough time to see benefits from Nandrolone Decanoate. Like any compound with a long ester attached, it takes a few weeks to reach a suitable level in the body, but I've used it in eight week test cycles and its presence was very obvious. And just like test cyp/enan, the ester dictates how long it lingers in the body post cycle.

On another note, Nandrolone has many adverse side effects. Only cycles with deca have given me gyno (which I realize is debatable), it causes an incredible amount of water retention, and recent studies have shown that it causes the hardening of arteries (Atherosclerosis). On top of that, Nandrolone has been shown to lower levels of luteinizing hormone through negative feedback, i.e. erectile dysfunction/"deca dick". I used to include this in every cycle, but I've chosen not to use it anymore.

Hollllyyyy crappppp. This gave me a TON of information about deca (which I didn't hear much about). Thanks man, and welcome back

@OP, good choice you've made. Keep us informed about if you go with Dbol or not.

[Hukebuck]

If i do decide to go with dbol itll be next cycle. I feel i need to research it more. But I did my first pin lastnite. Gonna stick with 250ml mon/thur test E for 12 weeks.

[Hukebuck]

If i dosed dbol at 30 or 40 mg a day id have to have a low mg cap and my guy only has 25mg so thatd be 50mg a day. Is that to much and if not obviously split it at every 10 hrs right?

[MickeyKnox]

If i dosed dbol at 30 or 40 mg a day id have to have a low mg cap and my guy only has 25mg so thatd be 50mg a day. Is that to much and if not obviously split it at every 10 hrs right?

Dbols half life is approx 6 hours, depending on where you get your info. So dosing it every 10 hours is not recommended. And 50mg/day is not necessary, especially if this is your first time using this oral. Invest in a pill slitter and dose it 12.5mg 3 times daily.

[austinite]

Dbols half life is approx 6 hours, depending on where you get your info. So dosing it every 10 hours is not recommended. And 50mg/day is not necessary, especially if this is your first time using this oral. Invest in a pill slitter and dose it 12.5mg 3 times daily.

True. I only get more sides over 40.

[Hukebuck]

Awesome. Thanks for the info. Now out of dbol or deca which do yall prefer and why? As stated im just skeptical on an oral never even thought about taking one until this thread

[MickeyKnox]

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[MickeyKnox]

Awesome. Thanks for the info. Now out of dbol or deca which do yall prefer and why? As stated im just skeptical on an oral never even thought about taking one until this thread

When you read about each of them in the AAS profile section, which one do you feel would be more conducive or suitable for your goals?

http://www.steroid.com/steroid_profiles.php

[Hukebuck]

Sorry not trying to get hand outs of info just getting opinions of the ones yall have done. Goal is bulking water weight or excess fat hasnt been an issue to lose but diet is in key thanks to 405 to not let bf get out of control. I plan on reading more into it just getting people experiences of the different compounds

[MickeyKnox]

Sorry not trying to get hand outs of info just getting opinions of the ones yall have done. Goal is bulking water weight or excess fat hasnt been an issue to lose but diet is in key thanks to 405 to not let bf get out of control. I plan on reading more into it just getting people experiences of the different compounds

I would use the Dbol for a kick start, as PapaSmurf suggested.

[Hukebuck]

Oh yeah th dbol is caps not pill so they cant be cut

[MickeyKnox]

Oh yeah th dbol is caps not pill so they cant be cut

I give up.

[Hukebuck]

Not trying to get on your nerves just saying that the gel caps cant be cut without spilling the contents. Hes not pressing his pills and uses caps is all im saying. Of all my sources are using caps at 25 and 50mg. From the suggestions yall have made at 30-40mg a day and from what the profile says as low as 20 and high as 100 im not putting 2 and 2 together i dont guess to take a 25mg cap and cut it in half (spilling the contents) in order to get the 37.5mg a day you suggested. If it doesnt matter if you pop the cap and just intake the contents inside without the cap then i can understand