Immediate post workout nutrition is not bro-science

[thex95]

Lately I have been noticing a lot of people considering immediate post workout nutrition bro-science. I don't know how this trend began but this issue has been researched and proven to benefit individuals with building muscle.

I believe that maybe people on here began considering this bro-science due to the outlandish claims being made by supplement companies who simply over exaggerate the benefits of post workout nutrition. While immediate post workout nutrition is beneficial, it is not the holy grail of building muscle. It is simply another nutrition practice to be followed to aid in muscle growth.

I mean really if your doing everything else correctly why not do all that you can to maximize muscle growth and engage in immediate post workout nutrition?

I back my thoughts and opinions with medical research studies -->

http://link.springer.com/article/10....LI=true#page-1

http://jap.physiology.org/content/96/2/674.full

[gbrice75]

Personally I've never said immediate PWO nutrition is useless. What I have said is that it's not necessary. Bear in mind the context. We'd get several posts per week in this section, all going something like this:

I lift for an hour and then do cardio right after, but i'm worried that I'm burning up all my muscle. Should I have my PWO shake in between lifting and cardio, or is it ok to have right after the cardio? PLEASE HELP!!!

It has also been perpetuated by supplement companies trying to push their 'lightning fast' PWO carb matrix's... and every kid who reads a bodybuilding mag runs out and wastes their money buying this useless crap when they can do just as well with cheap oats or something of the like.

IMO there is WAY too much emphasis put on PWO meal timing, when in fact, it has very little if any overall impact.

I don't think anybody ever stated that PWO nutrition is broscience. What IS broscience is the magical anabolic window that will close if you don't eat your PWO nutrtition within exactly 1.343544343 hours PWO.

[>Good Luck<]

Personally I've never said immediate PWO nutrition is useless. What I have said is that it's not necessary. Bear in mind the context. We'd get several posts per week in this section, all going something like this:

I lift for an hour and then do cardio right after, but i'm worried that I'm burning up all my muscle. Should I have my PWO shake in between lifting and cardio, or is it ok to have right after the cardio? PLEASE HELP!!!

It has also been perpetuated by supplement companies trying to push their 'lightning fast' PWO carb matrix's... and every kid who reads a bodybuilding mag runs out and wastes their money buying this useless crap when they can do just as well with cheap oats or something of the like.

IMO there is WAY too much emphasis put on PWO meal timing, when in fact, it has very little if any overall impact.

I don't think anybody ever stated that PWO nutrition is broscience. What IS broscience is the magical anabolic window that will close if you don't eat your PWO nutrtition within exactly 1.343544343 hours PWO.

Your math is wrong dood... It's 1.1343544444... You forgot to divid by pi

[thex95]

Personally I've never said immediate PWO nutrition is useless. What I have said is that it's not necessary. Bear in mind the context. We'd get several posts per week in this section, all going something like this:

I lift for an hour and then do cardio right after, but i'm worried that I'm burning up all my muscle. Should I have my PWO shake in between lifting and cardio, or is it ok to have right after the cardio? PLEASE HELP!!!

It has also been perpetuated by supplement companies trying to push their 'lightning fast' PWO carb matrix's... and every kid who reads a bodybuilding mag runs out and wastes their money buying this useless crap when they can do just as well with cheap oats or something of the like.

IMO there is WAY too much emphasis put on PWO meal timing, when in fact, it has very little if any overall impact.

I don't think anybody ever stated that PWO nutrition is broscience. What IS broscience is the magical anabolic window that will close if you don't eat your PWO nutrtition within exactly 1.343544343 hours PWO.

ya I largely agree with that and it looks like we are on the same page.

With regards to the PWO carbs in the form of oats or another form I found one interesting point in one of those studies. It explains that intaking maltodextrin, dextrose or another slow acting carb has no significant affect on muscle synthesis. I found this interesting because I personally use maltodextrin because its cheap and easy to just carry in a shaker cape and tastes like nothing. Their are so many retarded "carb blends" that cost 10 times as much and provide the same benifit.

also some people do specifically say it is bro science, but I am not going to name names

[>Good Luck<]

ya I largely agree with that and it looks like we are on the same page.

With regards to the PWO carbs in the form of oats or another form I found one interesting point in one of those studies. It explains that intaking maltodextrin, dextrose or another slow acting carb has no significant affect on muscle synthesis. I found this interesting because I personally use maltodextrin because its cheap and easy to just carry in a shaker cape and tastes like nothing. Their are so many retarded "carb blends" that cost 10 times as much and provide the same benifit.

also some people do specifically say it is bro science, but I am not going to name names

Except maltodextrine and dextrose are both forms of sugar. Dextrose is corn sugar and malto is some other one o can't remember. Oats have no added sugar and therefore trump all IMO

[gbrice75]

ya I largely agree with that and it looks like we are on the same page.

With regards to the PWO carbs in the form of oats or another form I found one interesting point in one of those studies. It explains that intaking maltodextrin, dextrose or another slow acting carb has no significant affect on muscle synthesis.

You mean fast acting carb....?

I found this interesting because I personally use maltodextrin because its cheap and easy to just carry in a shaker cape and tastes like nothing. Their are so many retarded "carb blends" that cost 10 times as much and provide the same benifit.

Agreed. Personally, i'm not a fan of eating straight sugar (especially engineered sugar) for any reason. Oats are dirt cheap and as you mentioned, are no less capable of doing the job than 'fast acting' carb sources.

also some people do specifically say it is bro science, but I am not going to name names

Well c'mon, now you have to!!

[thex95]

You mean fast acting carb....?



Agreed. Personally, i'm not a fan of eating straight sugar (especially engineered sugar) for any reason. Oats are dirt cheap and as you mentioned, are no less capable of doing the job than 'fast acting' carb sources.



Well c'mon, now you have to!!

sorry i worded that first part weird. It was contrasting between maltodextrin and dextrose (fast acting carbs) vs a slow acting carb in the effects of immediate post workout nutrition. The study found no significant differences.

ya the maltodextrin or oats thing I really beleive falls into the "each to their own" catagory. Personally I prefer malto for the ease of use but I definetly understand why you prefer oats.

and not naming names but, http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.URkQM6VX3D4

[951thompson]

sorry i worded that first part weird. It was contrasting between maltodextrin and dextrose (fast acting carbs) vs a slow acting carb in the effects of immediate post workout nutrition. The study found no significant differences.

ya the maltodextrin or oats thing I really beleive falls into the "each to their own" catagory. Personally I prefer malto for the ease of use but I definetly understand why you prefer oats.

and not naming names but, http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.URkQM6VX3D4

You can just as easy take oats to the gym with u, just pop them in your shake, fill up with water before you work out, leave it in your locker, by time you have finished your workout it will be all lovely and soft, ready to drink

[thex95]

You can just as easy take oats to the gym with u, just pop them in your shake, fill up with water before you work out, leave it in your locker, by time you have finished your workout it will be all lovely and soft, ready to drink

but the taste and consistency man!! lol Does it not bother you at all?

[gbrice75]

but the taste and consistency man!! lol Does it not bother you at all?

Personally, I love it! I don't even use the 'quick' oats... I use the 'old fashioned' variety and enjoy chewing em up raw. I don't let em sit in the shake either, I dump em' in right before drinking/chewing.

[RaginCajun]

but the taste and consistency man!! lol Does it not bother you at all?

i grind my oats so they are like powder so consistency is even throughout

[thex95]

Personally, I love it! I don't even use the 'quick' oats... I use the 'old fashioned' variety and enjoy chewing em up raw. I don't let em sit in the shake either, I dump em' in right before drinking/chewing.

lol dam dude your hard as nails I couldnt do that.

I tried adding qunio to a shake once, worst.day.ever

[thex95]

i grind my oats so they are like powder so consistency is even throughout

thats a good idea, I like that

[gbrice75]

lol dam dude your hard as nails I couldnt do that.

I tried adding qunio to a shake once, worst.day.ever

Quinoa? Wow... THAT'S hardcore. I don't think I could handle that, lol. Imagine the benefits though... a high fiber excellent carb source that also happens to be a complete protein. Win across the board!

[RaginCajun]

lol dam dude your hard as nails I couldnt do that.

I tried adding qunio to a shake once, worst.day.ever

Quinoa? Wow... THAT'S hardcore. I don't think I could handle that, lol. Imagine the benefits though... a high fiber excellent carb source that also happens to be a complete protein. Win across the board!

i plan on experimenting with quinoa soon

[gbrice75]

i plan on experimenting with quinoa soon

I love it... just couldn't bear the thought of it in a protein shake! *shivers*

[RaginCajun]

I love it... just couldn't bear the thought of it in a protein shake! *shivers*

doesn't each color have a different flavor?

[cj111]

doesn't each color have a different flavor?

Theres more than one type of quinoa? my mind has just been blown

[gbrice75]

doesn't each color have a different flavor?

Theres more than one type of quinoa? my mind has just been blown

It's basically all the same. In my opinion, none of them have any real flavor, same way rice by itself has no real flavor. It all comes down to preparation. I've had some delicious quinoa... and some terrible quinoa.

[Tron3219]

Lately I have been noticing a lot of people considering immediate post workout nutrition bro-science. I don't know how this trend began but this issue has been researched and proven to benefit individuals with building muscle.

I believe that maybe people on here began considering this bro-science due to the outlandish claims being made by supplement companies who simply over exaggerate the benefits of post workout nutrition. While immediate post workout nutrition is beneficial, it is not the holy grail of building muscle. It is simply another nutrition practice to be followed to aid in muscle growth.

I mean really if your doing everything else correctly why not do all that you can to maximize muscle growth and engage in immediate post workout nutrition?

I back my thoughts and opinions with medical research studies -->

http://link.springer.com/article/10....LI=true#page-1

http://jap.physiology.org/content/96/2/674.full

Pcaa

-TroN-

[thex95]

Pcaa

-TroN-

What does that mean man? Sorry not familiar with the term

[thex95]

Quinoa? Wow... THAT'S hardcore. I don't think I could handle that, lol. Imagine the benefits though... a high fiber excellent carb source that also happens to be a complete protein. Win across the board!

alright man were going into a joint venture and engineering a way to get quinoa into PWO shakes as a carb source AND have it be delicious. We are gonna get RICH!

[gbrice75]

alright man were going into a joint venture and engineering a way to get quinoa into PWO shakes as a carb source AND have it be delicious. We are gonna get RICH!

Wouldn't that be fckin awesome!?