cycle 4 your pocket

[XxAndreaxX]

Hi all,
in the last past weeks, people are asking me, what to take to get like me ( I'm on 4th week of test-tren), and I want to help them out, because I know, they will start taking things, and **** it up.
I got a real good friend, and he wants to start cycling, he did last year a shit of cycle of test and deca, and got 1-2kg.
He (and the most of my friends) doesn't have cash availability, so it got to be cheap. he's 26, thin and 1,85m wheighting some 72kg.
my Idea was to concéntrate all on sust.
a good sust amount (500-750mg EW) is better than 250 sust, and 200deca IMO.
he's very impatient, and he'll freak out if he doesn't see recomp before week 4, so I thaught adding some dbol or oxy.
oxy is more potent butI fear, he could get more in troubles than with dbol.

my idea was:

week 1-4
oxy 50mg ED
sust 250mg E3D
deca 300mg EW

week 4-10
sust 250 E3D
deca 300 EW
HCG 250UI E3D

nolva as AI, and arimidex by hand
PCT like always

Is this cycle enough to make some BAAAAAAMM, and see results?
dropping the 300mg deca EW (due the costs), would it be a big difference??
thanks

[bigsiv]

You should not be giving cycle advice to ANYBODY!!!!! You don't have a clue yourself so what makes you think you can advice somebody else. I mean no disrespect but come on man!!!!

You cycle layout is terrible nolvadex as an A.i?????? This tells me everything I need to know
DO NOT BE ADVISING PEOPLE TO CYCLE!!!!!!!!!

You would be a much better 'friend' to tell him to sign up here so he can get educated advice

[fit2bOld]

This is wrong 22 and skinny no base and you want to juice the guy up. Some friend you are.
Would be better off to feed him some food cause thats what he really needs

[XxAndreaxX]

I told them, but they don't speak english.
anyways, I know Nolva as AI here in USA is not an option, but in spainforums, its the most common way if you can't afford an AI, thet's very expensive here.
Normally we have an AI by hand if something goes wrong, although I use Aromasin troughout the whole cycle, but its just me.

[redz]

Nolva is a SERM not an ai. Also why shoot deca once a week if the sus is already being shot twice per week?

[XxAndreaxX]

but for my question, would it be ok the cycle?? should y drop oxy and remplace with dbol? should I drop deca and bump up test?? or what else could I do, for a big BAAAAMMM cycle without too many sides??

[redz]

for a big BAAAAMMM cycle without too many sides??

Food, you need fuel to grow.

[XxAndreaxX]

Nolva can be used for avoiding gyno, without blocking estrogen. People here do that because they want to Bang fast, avioding gyno, and if it gets too estro, they have arimidex on hand, to lower the retention.

[redz]

Nolva can be used for avoiding gyno, without blocking estrogen. People here do that because they want to Bang fast, avioding gyno, and if it gets too estro, they have arimidex on hand, to lower the retention.

Too much estrogen can still hurt gains even if not causing gyno. Also around here people advise to take an ai on cycle at a low dose throughout not as a reactive solution.

[Gaspaco]

Nolva can be used for avoiding gyno, without blocking estrogen. People here do that because they want to Bang fast, avioding gyno, and if it gets too estro, they have arimidex on hand, to lower the retention.

Water retention depends on your diet!

You cant give advice about AAS to people with low budget, the FOOD is most important and most expensive STUFF during cycle.

[XxAndreaxX]

yes but they want to cycle, and they'll cycle anyways.
but I want them to recue from a 10 weeks cycle deca and winstrol without ai and PCT.
Because here, the most common cycle is 10 weeks 200 deca EW and I think 100Wins EW with no test and
without any PCT, the most rich ones use Nebido as PCT, but down the ghetto, there's no PCT at all.
Only the strongest survives.

[bigsiv]

Water retention depends on your diet!

You cant give advice about AAS to people with low budget, the FOOD is most important and most expensive STUFF during cycle.

Exactly^^^^

[redz]

yes but they want to cycle, and they'll cycle anyways.
but I want them to recue from a 10 weeks cycle deca and winstrol without ai and PCT.
Because here, the most common cycle is 10 weeks 200 deca EW and I think 100Wins EW with no test and
without any PCT, the most rich ones use Nebido as PCT, but down the ghetto, there's no PCT at all.
Only the strongest survives.

Nebido is not a pct it is an anabolic steroid. Are you trolling?

[bigsiv]

but for my question, would it be ok the cycle?? should y drop oxy and remplace with dbol? should I drop deca and bump up test?? or what else could I do, for a big BAAAAMMM cycle without too many sides??

No no no no that should answer your questions.
I'm sorry for being short with you but you shouldn't be advising anyone let alone cycling yourself. The maturity you show in your threads makes me believe you lie about your age I reckon your under 20 serious

[warmouth]

Nolva is not an AI. Remember that. Honestly it sounds like you could be giving bad advice here man. I'd just tell him to join here and trsnslate for him. At 22, I would feel ok advising him on what to do right than just what to do. Id be willing to help him just to make sure he has everything he need before he starts.

[XxAndreaxX]

I'm not underage, I'm 28, and I'm only trying to give a good advice to a friend of mine, how to do a cycle without suffering many sides, and get the best out of it, at the best budget.
He'll cycle anyways, and if I don't tell him how to do it right, he'll only waste his money, and have hell of problems afterwards.
the idea was to prescribe him 4 weeks of orals, to have a fast bang, and so think positive since the beginning. (last time he was very frustrated, because of the slow buildup of the long esters)
than, I'd give him 500 sust EW and other 300 Deca EW. some arimidex to control gyno and hcg to evitate atrophy.
all this for 10 weeks.
with a good bulking diet, how much could he grow? 7-10kg during cycle is it possible??
will he need some BP pills?
thanks

[warmouth]

I'm not underage, I'm 28, and I'm only trying to give a good advice to a friend of mine, how to do a cycle without suffering many sides, and get the best out of it, at the best budget.
He'll cycle anyways, and if I don't tell him how to do it right, he'll only waste his money, and have hell of problems afterwards.
the idea was to prescribe him 4 weeks of orals, to have a fast bang, and so think positive since the beginning. (last time he was very frustrated, because of the slow buildup of the long esters)
than, I'd give him 500 sust EW and other 300 Deca EW. some arimidex to control gyno and hcg to evitate atrophy.
all this for 10 weeks.
with a good bulking diet, how much could he grow? 7-10kg during cycle is it possible??
will he need some BP pills?
thanks

I know your intent is good, but the advice is off. Nolva isn't an AI. If bulking, there is no need for him to run 300mgs of deca, especially for 10 weeks. It will make recovery a lot harder and he will only bemefit from the last couple of weeks amyways. Orals at first might be ok but not necessary. Get a good liver support. BP meds would be a good idea to have on hand, especially if you dont have a real AI.

[warmouth]

And why are you hanging out with 22 year olds? At your age, you could have a positive impact on this young mans life in a way that he would thank you later in life. You're old enough to be a role model for this kid and in doing what you're doing is setting him up for potential long term problems. Don't guide him down the wrong path just because you know a little about aas. Think about it first. Just a thought.

[bigsiv]

And why are you hanging out with 22 year olds? At your age, you could have a positive impact on this young mans life in a way that he would thank you later in life. You're old enough to be a role model for this kid and in doing what you're doing is setting him up for potential long term problems. Don't guide him down the wrong path just because you know a little about aas. Think about it first. Just a thought.

Good post Warmouth the OP would be doing his friend a better service by swaying him into training and food rather than AAS

[Lunk1]

If you cant afford a proper cyle then you cant afford the food to fuel and sustain the cycle!