First Cycle time! Wanna do it right the first time

[DePeter]

Ok i have finally decided i want to run my first real cycle of gear. ( i ran d-bol when i was 17 for 6 weeks ) i did however learn from that experience that i am prone to libido loss but ill get to that in a bit.

I am 24, have 6 years of work out experience, height: 5 10, weight: 175. BF%: not sure just yet however i have visible abs when i flex (if that helps at all)
My diet and workout are on point, though i am open to suggestions and tips on both. and my goals are to build strength and LBM as well as making the gains as "keepable" as possible. in the event i decide to get off the gear for a while (who knows)

My plan as of now after all my research is this:

Wk 1-12 = 1/2 cc of sust 250 EoD or 500mgs/wk
Wk 1-12 = 40mg of anavar ED

PCT Wk 15-19= Nolvadex 60/60/40/40/20

Here are the questions:

Anavar- is it worth running at all? Am i better off running it for 6 weeks at the beginning or end of cycle? Some say it should be ran 3 weeks past the sust.
Libido- i have read i need an AI to help with this and the estrogenic side effects to run through the cycle, I CANT DECIDE WHICH TO USE! any suggestions and dosages??
PCT-Nolvadex alone good enough? Better suggestions for dosages?
Lastly, is overtraining a concern? i sometimes like to workout twice a day maybe agility and explosive workouts in the morning then weight lifting in the afternoon.
I want to have an effective, simple stack. Im a beginner so i dont wanna play with 5 different steroids in one stack (just yet).

ONLY POSITIVE FEEDBACK PLEASE! : )

[TheClinch]

Please read the educational threads in the pct forum and in the steroids forum. All your questions have already been answered about a million times.

As for the libido loss it was because you didnt take test with your dbol. You should not experience this with a cycle which includes test.

Having said that, you should always use an AI on cycle to control estrogen.

Learn more about PCT

Learn about HCG while on cycle.

Get a diet plan. A real diet plan.... not I eat a lot diet plan...

Go read and come back with better questions brother

[Armykid93]

Although you gave him awesome advice his questions are fine, everything is new to him so none of his questions are bad.

[TheClinch]

Although you gave him God advice his questions aren't bad, everything is new to him so all his questions are very valid.

Agreed. But a guy who has read the stickies will not have a sloppy pct protocol like that. Or no knowledge of HCG.

What I said was not a diss. It's a nudge in the right direction and encouragement to learn for himself through the readings. The best way to learn is through the understanding of the topics not through the providing the answer.

Please dont take it the wrong way.

Thanks
Clinch

[DePeter]

I appreciate the help and im still reading a lot don't you worry about that! I'm just in a slight hurry because my source is gonna be in town tomorrow so i wanna finalize my research. Arimidex is sounding great for OCT im still a little lost for dosages. Some say it should be taken at the sign of gyno, would it not be better to run it in small amounts regularly?? Also what you said on the test helping with my libido was great news though i still read of people shutting down on sust. And i do believe im just gonna run nolvadex for PCT, still working on the dosage but people seem to do fine with just nolvadex post cycle even though its not as sure fire as both nolva and clomid.

And what do you think about the anavar? when is the best time to take it during the cycle? i have 100 10mg tabs

[TheClinch]

I appreciate the help and im still reading a lot don't you worry about that! I'm just in a slight hurry because my source is gonna be in town tomorrow so i wanna finalize my research. Arimidex is sounding great for OCT im still a little lost for dosages. Some say it should be taken at the sign of gyno, would it not be better to run it in small amounts regularly?? Also what you said on the test helping with my libido was great news though i still read of people shutting down on sust. And i do believe im just gonna run nolvadex for PCT, still working on the dosage but people seem to do fine with just nolvadex post cycle even though its not as sure fire as both nolva and clomid.

Okay as an act of good faith here you go...

At your cycle dosage you can use .25mg of arimidex eod while on cycle to control the aromatization.

You will always be shut down while using gear. Some compounds are more mild than others and you can use them for longer periods before shut down occurs but eventually every single aas will shut you down.

When you cycle you always include test to supplement your test synthetically and, for most of our intents and purposes, as an anabolic agent.

Please learn more about the dangers of cycling without test included...

Also learn about including HCG on cycle and why its so beneficial.
250iu 2x/week leading up to PCT.



Your PCT can look like this.

Clomid & Nolvadex started 2 weeks after last injection.

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Please, do yourself a favour...Dont rush this.

Learn before acting.

So you dont come here with an "I f*cked myself up" story.

[warmouth]

I appreciate the help and im still reading a lot don't you worry about that! I'm just in a slight hurry because my source is gonna be in town tomorrow so i wanna finalize my research. Arimidex is sounding great for OCT im still a little lost for dosages. Some say it should be taken at the sign of gyno, would it not be better to run it in small amounts regularly?? Also what you said on the test helping with my libido was great news though i still read of people shutting down on sust. And i do believe im just gonna run nolvadex for PCT, still working on the dosage but people seem to do fine with just nolvadex post cycle even though its not as sure fire as both nolva and clomid.

And what do you think about the anavar? when is the best time to take it during the cycle? i have 100 10mg tabs

Ask this... "if you guys could go back to your forst cycle, what would you do different?"
This will help with a broader spectrum, not just AAS use. Could get valuable information. Good luck!

[DePeter]

Okay as an act of good faith here you go...

At your cycle dosage you can use .25mg of arimidex eod while on cycle to control the aromatization.

You will always be shut down while using gear. Some compounds are more mild than others and you can use them for longer periods before shit down occurs but eventually every single aas will shut you down.

When you cycle you always include test to supplement your test synthetically and, for most of our intents and purposes, as an anabolic agent.

Please learn more about the dangers of cycling without test included...

Also learn about including HCG on cycle and why its so beneficial.
250iu 2x/week leading up to PCT.



Your PCT can look like this.

Clomid & Nolvadex started 2 weeks after last injection.

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Please, do yourself a favour...Dont rush this.

Learn before acting.

So you dont come here with an "I f*cked myself up" story.

thanks a lot for your time clinch! and yea im definitely gonna be taking a-dex in between the days i pin. and ive also decided im gonna buy the other clomid bottle and follow that PCT you just listed. Im now more confident on my PCT and OCT i think thats sorted out. im not rushing this i just need to know what products im going to use because tomorrow is the only chance i have to buy them. however, im probably not starting for another week or so, so i can do more reading.

Whats my cycle looking like in regards to the sust and var?

[TheClinch]

thanks a lot for your time clinch! and yea im definitely gonna be taking a-dex in between the days i pin. and ive also decided im gonna buy the other clomid bottle and follow that PCT you just listed. Im now more confident on my PCT and OCT i think thats sorted out. im not rushing this i just need to know what products im going to use because tomorrow is the only chance i have to buy them. however, im probably not starting for another week or so, so i can do more reading.

Whats my cycle looking like in regards to the sust and var?

Well, are you aware of testicular atrophy? Why its undesirable in recovery and how HCG is used to avoid this?

Before you claim your OCT is sorted have a thurough look at the advice answers you asked for...

As for your cycle...

Being a first cycle drop the var. You want to be able to discern which compound caused side affects. If any.

Regardless of var being mild you still want to be able to diagnose issues and deal with them accordingly.

Some might argue its unnecessary with var but its better to cover your angles and use only one compound right now because you are a new user.

[DePeter]

Ok so lets refine this a bit

Wk 1-12 Sust 1/2 cc EoD for 500mg/wk
Wk 1-12 A-dex .25 EoD (alternating with pinning days)

Wk 12-15 2000 I.U HCG/wk
Wk 15-18 clomid 100/100/50/50
Wk 15-18 nolvadex 40/40/20/20

whats that sound like?

[Armykid93]

Ok so lets refine this a bit

Wk 1-12 Sust 1/2 cc EoD for 500mg/wk
Wk 1-12 A-dex .25 EoD (alternating with pinning days)

Wk 12-15 2000 I.U HCG/wk
Wk 15-18 clomid 100/100/50/50
Wk 15-18 nolvadex 40/40/20/20

whats that sound like?

You need some test in there dude

[Armykid93]

Agreed. But a guy who has read the stickies will not have a sloppy pct protocol like that. Or no knowledge of HCG.

What I said was not a diss. It's a nudge in the right direction and encouragement to learn for himself through the readings. The best way to learn is through the understanding of the topics not through the providing the answer.

Please dont take it the wrong way.

Thanks
Clinch

Understandable but a lot if people don't know online forum have stickies, I didn't until even a couple months after I joined.

Not bashing your help, just don't want you to accidently discourage someone.

[TheClinch]

Ok so lets refine this a bit

Wk 1-12 Sust 1/2 cc EoD for 500mg/wk
Wk 1-12 A-dex .25 EoD (alternating with pinning days)

Wk 12-15 2000 I.U HCG/wk
Wk 15-18 clomid 100/100/50/50
Wk 15-18 nolvadex 40/40/20/20

whats that sound like?

I personally dont think you need to use so much HCG per week. You dont want to eisk desensitizing the leydeg cells and rendering HCG less effective for future cycles. In my opinion, if you come off when you plan too you wont need to shock your system into test production as though you were irresponsible and stayed on for a long long time before coming off.

Other than that I like it

[TheClinch]

You need some test in there dude

Army his base compound is sustanon...

[TheClinch]

Understandable but a lot if people don't know online forum have stickies, I didn't until even a couple months after I joined.

Not bashing your help, just don't want you to accidently discourage someone.

Well if a person can take direction well without sensitivities coming into play then a few study hints and a nudge towards research with the revelation of the educational threads existence is a perfectly fine method. I dont know what more I can say about that

[DePeter]

Man this HCG stuff is very flip floppy. Im reading of some people dosing during the cycle Wk 1-12 at 250 i.u/wk and other people doing it post cycle. and im reading this one post that says that it isnt need while running sustanon altogether! however, im glad you told me to read up because i definitely would like some HCG to get my warriors back to normal as if i never took AAS. now what dosage do you recommend for this cycle? like i said my gonads are a little weak in terms of libido so wanna make sure i take care of them.

im thinking 250 i.u twice a week through the whole cycle

[TheClinch]

Man this HCG stuff is very flip floppy. Im reading of some people dosing during the cycle Wk 1-12 at 250 i.u/wk and other people doing it post cycle. and im reading this one post that says that it isnt need while running sustanon altogether! however, im glad you told me to read up because i definitely would like some HCG to get my warriors back to normal as if i never took AAS. now what dosage do you recommend for this cycle? like i said my gonads are a little weak in terms of libido so wanna make sure i take care of them

Your HPTA is probably damaged by your using aas when you were so young and your endocrine system was immature. You might want to consider getting bloodwork done and see if you are a trt candidate as a result of your young usage.

I'm afraid I can not give you a proper medical answer about HCG but I can say I have read many respected members here advocate the use of 250iu 2x/week leading up to pct. You'll need to get bacteriostatic water to use this. Go read about mixing HCG

[DePeter]

Your HPTA is probably damaged by your using aas when you were so young and your endocrine system was immature. You might want to consider getting bloodwork done and see if you are a trt candidate as a result of your young usage.

I'm afraid I can not give you a proper medical answer about HCG but I can say I have read many respected members here advocate the use of 250iu 2x/week leading up to pct. You'll need to get bacteriostatic water to use this. Go read about mixing HCG

yes sir will do! thanks for all the help im gonna spend more time researching HCG and see whats up with my blood at the endos office. thanks a lot for all the help its VERY MUCH appreciated

[TheClinch]

yes sir will do! thanks for all the help im gonna spend more time researching HCG and see whats up with my blood at the endos office. thanks a lot for all the help its VERY MUCH appreciated

Yeah, you're welcome. Please dont fuggitup the consequences are not fun. Learn from example not experience brother.

And remember aas are nothing in the long term without a real diet plan. That is gospel

Good luck

[Armykid93]

Army his base compound is sustanon...

Wooooops lol give me a break i'm on a 24 hour shift thanks for correcting me

[TheClinch]

Wooooops lol give me a break i'm on a 24 hour shift thanks for correcting me

Oh man I've been there. I feel for ya.