5x5 stronglifts for my little brother????

[musclebrah]

So my brothers 16 and he wants to start working out. So I thought id get him on 5x5

Workout A
Squat 5x5
Bench Press 5x5
Bent Over Rows 5x5

Workout B
Squat 5x5
Over Head Press 5x5)
Deadlift 1x5

Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays

Would you guys recommend he also do some assistance work or just follow the normal program?

[Soar]

That's probably more then enough for him at that age just starting out. If you really want to torture him get him to do 10x10 squats on leg days...

[>Good Luck<]

So my brothers 16 and he wants to start working out. So I thought id get him on 5x5

Workout A
Squat 5x5
Bench Press 5x5
Bent Over Rows 5x5

Workout B
Squat 5x5
Over Head Press 5x5)
Deadlift 1x5

Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays

Would you guys recommend he also do some assistance work or just follow the normal program?

I tried this exact routine and got some good results when I first started. I would advise against it for one simple reason. Squatting 2 times a week is pretty hard on the joints. Every other week he will be squatting 2x weekly

[stpete]

Are you trying to help or get him to hate lifting? 5x5 is not for him at his age and inexperience.

Check Workout Section for good beginner routines.

[Ashop]

Are you trying to help or get him to hate lifting? 5x5 is not for him at his age and inexperience.

Check Workout Section for good beginner routines.

I would probably do a full body routine,,1-2 sets per bodypart,,,2-3 times per week for 3-4 months.

[stpete]

I would probably do a full body routine,,1-2 sets per bodypart,,,2-3 times per week for 3-4 months.

That would be more acceptable, certainly. Depending on weight and reps, of course. But that could be alternated?

[musclebrah]

What routine or program would you guys recommend then?

[musclebrah]

Are you trying to help or get him to hate lifting? 5x5 is not for him at his age and inexperience.

Check Workout Section for good beginner routines.

I'm on my phone can you link it?

[stpete]

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.USq97KXIWMs


Not sure why you can't get it on your phone.

[OnTheSauce]

I started on stronglifts 5x5 and it built me a great base

[Turkish Juicer]

Are you trying to help or get him to hate lifting? 5x5 is not for him at his age and inexperience.

Check Workout Section for good beginner routines.

x2

5x5 is not for beginners.

[musclebrah]

x2

5x5 is not for beginners.

Well everyone else in the WORLD says its great for beginners except you lol

[Armykid93]

Well everyone else in the WORLD says its great for beginners except you lol

I think maybe someone who has been lifting for around a year but not a complete noob

[bigsiv]

I think maybe someone who has been lifting for around a year but not a complete noob

Agreed, I think bodyweight excercises are the best idea for beginners. That doesn't mean they are easy. Check out my bodyweight excercise video in the lifting section. Got some great moves to do.

[Armykid93]

Agreed, I think bodyweight excercises are the best idea for beginners. That doesn't mean they are easy. Check out my bodyweight excercise video in the lifting section. Got some great moves to do.

bodyweight is a gear idea but I think weights are important for a beginner to

[bigsiv]

bodyweight is a gear idea but I think weights are important for a beginner to

Not just a beginner though at 16 your muscles are still developing as well as the ligaments and tendons.

I had a discussion only the other day with a physio about using weight training with my son and he told me to stick with body weight wxcercises until 18 years old.

Granted my son is 12 and he is a footballer so its a totally different ball game. If the OP's brother is going to compete then that is different but if not I wouldn't advise anything that could possibly injure his growing body. But again this is just an opinion. I would love to get some science from the vets on when is the perfect age to start using weights (safely)

[slumchop]

ive been in the gym 20 years this year. 5X5? for a beginner? I work 5x5 in to periodization routines, and those routines last 6 months or longer.

[slumchop]

Well everyone else in the WORLD says its great for beginners except you lol

im not everyone else. ive worked with more than gym newbs than i care to remember, I have 3 certs, and i would NEVER have a newb do 5x5. its hard on everything and theyre young

[bigsiv]

im not everyone else. ive worked with more than gym newbs than i care to remember, I have 3 certs, and i would NEVER have a newb do 5x5. its hard on everything and theyre young

When would you say the best age is to start heavy weight training safely slumchop?

[Frontrow12]

Not just a beginner though at 16 your muscles are still developing as well as the ligaments and tendons.

I had a discussion only the other day with a physio about using weight training with my son and he told me to stick with body weight wxcercises until 18 years old.

Granted my son is 12 and he is a footballer so its a totally different ball game. If the OP's brother is going to compete then that is different but if not I wouldn't advise anything that could possibly injure his growing body. But again this is just an opinion. I would love to get some science from the vets on when is the perfect age to start using weights (safely)

18 is a bit extreme... (My background is in S&C training for sports - specifically rugby)

There is nothing wrong with your son at 12 learning the basic compound movement techniques with a broom handle, while incorporating body weight exercises, gymnastic movements and plyometric exercises in the form of take off and landing mechanics.

In a years time you can introduce him to medicine ball circuits, progressing to dumbbell circuits. As he reaches 14 he could safely progress from a broom handle to empty barbell, again emphasising technique. Plyo training can be lower impact & jumping/landing skills.

Post Peak Height Velocity (PHV) - which is around 14/15 for males - he can safely start to load the barbell. Plyos continue to be as above until 15/16 when higher impact exercises can be done.

It must be noted that as with everything, the stage of development will differ from person to person.

[Armykid93]

Not just a beginner though at 16 your muscles are still developing as well as the ligaments and tendons.

I had a discussion only the other day with a physio about using weight training with my son and he told me to stick with body weight wxcercises until 18 years old.

Granted my son is 12 and he is a footballer so its a totally different ball game. If the OP's brother is going to compete then that is different but if not I wouldn't advise anything that could possibly injure his growing body. But again this is just an opinion. I would love to get some science from the vets on when is the perfect age to start using weights (safely)

I just read an article on another board about how its really healthy for younger kids to lift weights, its supposed to help with development and some other stuff. Unfortunately I can't remember but I don't trust doctors regardless. Id get a second opinion if I were you. There's no way lifting weights is bad at 16.

[slumchop]

When would you say the best age is to start heavy weight training safely slumchop?

I wouldnt even consider heavy lifting or strength and conditioning training until someone is in their 20's. "but" there is always a "but" it depends on their development. we see in the gym how more mature muscle looks, and mens body develop at different rates, so more often than not, it really depend on how developmentally advanced their physique is and if theyre mature enough to do it correctly. when i start with a newb even guys who think they got the experience, I dismantle them and start them all over, 99% of everyone does have poor form and inncorect technique. so i emphasize those things and we spend weeks on a simple routine perfecting them. it reduces injury, makes it more fun, and increases strength. you would be surprised at how far someone 1rm can drop when their form is perfect. ive watch a guy bench 405 and than do perfect form and not be able to lift 330. lol

[blacktoppete]

So my brothers 16 and he wants to start working out. So I thought id get him on 5x5

Workout A
Squat 5x5
Bench Press 5x5
Bent Over Rows 5x5

Workout B
Squat 5x5
Over Head Press 5x5)
Deadlift 1x5

Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays

Would you guys recommend he also do some assistance work or just follow the normal program?

My Dad started me on that same type of routine when i was 15yrs old. It keep me from going to jail. After a while we added in some assistance work Dips,power rack,close grip benches,power cleans,hammer curls and by the time i was 18 i entered the teenage nationals powerlifting. I think that would be a great routine to get him started. The only thing i would change is to squat 1x a wk.

[bigsiv]

18 is a bit extreme... (My background is in S&C training for sports - specifically rugby)

There is nothing wrong with your son at 12 learning the basic compound movement techniques with a broom handle, while incorporating body weight exercises, gymnastic movements and plyometric exercises in the form of take off and landing mechanics.

In a years time you can introduce him to medicine ball circuits, progressing to dumbbell circuits. As he reaches 14 he could safely progress from a broom handle to empty barbell, again emphasising technique. Plyo training can be lower impact & jumping/landing skills.

Post Peak Height Velocity (PHV) - which is around 14/15 for males - he can safely start to load the barbell. Plyos continue to be as above until 15/16 when higher impact exercises can be done.

It must be noted that as with everything, the stage of development will differ from person to person.

Great answer

[bigsiv]

I just read an article on another board about how its really healthy for younger kids to lift weights, its supposed to help with development and some other stuff. Unfortunately I can't remember but I don't trust doctors regardless. Id get a second opinion if I were you. There's no way lifting weights is bad at 16.

Try and find that link Armykid that would be good

[bigsiv]

I wouldnt even consider heavy lifting or strength and conditioning training until someone is in their 20's. "but" there is always a "but" it depends on their development. we see in the gym how more mature muscle looks, and mens body develop at different rates, so more often than not, it really depend on how developmentally advanced their physique is and if theyre mature enough to do it correctly. when i start with a newb even guys who think they got the experience, I dismantle them and start them all over, 99% of everyone does have poor form and inncorect technique. so i emphasize those things and we spend weeks on a simple routine perfecting them. it reduces injury, makes it more fun, and increases strength. you would be surprised at how far someone 1rm can drop when their form is perfect. ive watch a guy bench 405 and than do perfect form and not be able to lift 330. lol

The main reason we talked about weights is to help with my sons speed training and leg development. His physique is outstanding for a 12 year old but that is due to his training schedule at the moment 3 x week 2 hours at a time (cardio) and a match in a Sunday.

I'm still wary about involving weights at his age but body weight excercises are top notch at the moment.

(Sorry OP for the big side track )

[musclebrah]

My Dad started me on that same type of routine when i was 15yrs old. It keep me from going to jail. After a while we added in some assistance work Dips,power rack,close grip benches,power cleans,hammer curls and by the time i was 18 i entered the teenage nationals powerlifting. I think that would be a great routine to get him started. The only thing i would change is to squat 1x a wk.

Yea dude thats wat im thinking. how much did your lifts went up in those 3 years ?

[slumchop]

Yea dude thats wat im thinking. how much did your lifts went up in those 3 years ?

i dont mean to offend, but doesnt sound like you were looking for any advice, just wanting someone to give you the answers you want to hear. weight training is a great idea for any one of all ages, but please educate yourself on the impact of heavy lifting on young people. if you decide to still do it at least you understand the implications.

[musclebrah]

^^^haha yea I just wanted to see wat you guys thought about it. For some reason You guys think very different in this forum compared to bodybuilding DOT COM forum

I wonder why?

[blacktoppete]

Yea dude thats wat im thinking. how much did your lifts went up in those 3 years ?

It's hard to say exactly. I totaled 1705 in the 220lb class @ 18yrs old.That was 27yrs ago. My first show at 16 i totaled 950 181lb class. Guys need to stop turning lifting into a science project and enjoy themselves safetly. Eat sleep and train hard.

[MartyMcFly]

^^^haha yea I just wanted to see wat you guys thought about it. For some reason You guys think very different in this forum compared to bodybuilding DOT COM forum

I wonder why?

How did I know you came from BB.com? I think the "brah" gave it away. Is your little brother trying to aquire some aesthetics in order to smash bishes or is he a phaggot?

brb gotta spank it to some zyzz vids...


Just messing with ya. Good luck with the little bro.

[musclebrah]

How did I know you came from BB.com? I think the "brah" gave it away. Is your little brother trying to aquire some aesthetics in order to smash bishes or is he a phaggot?

brb gotta spank it to some zyzz vids...

Just messing with ya. Good luck with the little bro.

Haha that's the misc lingo hahahahaha thnx bruh!