Is this a safe cycle?

[Brandon0212]

Test E and Deca at 23 years old

[austinite]

Welcome!

Regardless of age, I would not recommend this cycle protocol to anyone.

Let me quote Marcus here, this might shed some light for you regarding your risks...

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[MickeyKnox]

..and to add further...

I think a little more reading and research would benefit you, particularly for someone your age. Your natural testosterone levels are sky high right now. I would concentrate on taking advantage of that as you can make tremendous gains in following few short years.

It’s best to know the complications and associated health risks that could affect you should you decide to embark on this journey sooner than later. A few more years to allow your developing endocrine system to finish growing, and then perhaps look at using AAS.

Its also important to understand what it is your putting into your body and the associated roles these compounds play, and the dreaded side effects that are bound to creep up on you - especially if you didn’t do your homework. Otherwise you could be setting yourself up for a host of unwanted side affects including premature closure of your growth plates, Erectile Dysfunction, Gynecomastia (b*tch t*ts), and more..

The Young and Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.ULk5-mfX_fs

Cycles Gone Wrong for the Young

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UL2db2fX_fs

[cro]

get blood work done

[Brandon0212]

Thank you for the feedback everyone. I understand that 20 is a really young age.

My main question here is, is it dangerous to go from PH straight to Test E? (At any age Ex. 25+)

Thanks again everyone

[MickeyKnox]

Thank you for the feedback everyone. I understand that 20 is a really young age.

My main question here is, is it dangerous to go from PH straight to Test E? (At any age Ex. 25+)

Thanks again everyone

Its dangerous to be on ANY pro hormone, let alone an AAS cycle.

[ChiveOn]

IMO, PH's are more dangerous than AAS...

[Brandon0212]

IMO, PH's are more dangerous than AAS...

I hear this all the time. What about switching from PH to Test E?

I understand any steroid whether its AAS or PH has its dangers but this a steroid forum so I figured I'd ask away.

[MickeyKnox]

I hear this all the time. What about switching from PH to Test E?

I understand any steroid whether its AAS or PH has its dangers but this a steroid forum so I figured I'd ask away.

The most responsible answers are contained right here in these three links..


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...23#post6413323

The Young and Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.ULk5-mfX_fs

Cycles Gone Wrong for the Young

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UL2db2fX_fs

[redz]

PH's are just as bad if not worse.

[thai007goy]

What is it that kids so young want to be on steroids so bad. where does this thinking come from.

[manveer1]

What is it that kids so young want to be on steroids so bad. where does this thinking come from.

It's pretty obvious

[OnTheSauce]

Bishes love da muscles! Duh brah

[Brandon0212]

Thanks guys

[redz]

As if 20 and 23 years old is some huge difference in age for starting an AAS cycle lol.....

Actually there is a huge difference. You didnt hear what you wanted to and will no doubt go a head with the cycle. It's your health.....can`t blame anyone but yourself if things go side ways you were warned.

[MickeyKnox]

Most IFBB pros started taking steroids anywhere from ages 17-24.

Im not saying I'm some pro bodybuilder. Most of you act surprised when a 20 year old wants to start a simple Test E cycle after training for 5 years along with previous PH cycles under my belt.

As if 20 and 23 years old is some huge difference in age for starting an AAS cycle lol.....

Not to be rude but, it appears as though you have the answers. If so, you certainly don't need us to tell you how to run your cycle.

But if you're looking or sound responsible advice and people that care about your health, particularly someone your age, then you've come to the right place.

Did you take the time to read those links, that contain updated medical information based upon current published studies, carefully? Did you read the quote that Austin shared with you?

If so, what are your thoughts on the information in there? Do you agree?

If you have a valid point to make about someone your age using AAS who hasn't really educated themselves enough to fully understand the potential complications, i would certainly like to hear it Brandon.

[Drahcir_snave]

I'm a newb so I can't help you but wish I could. You sound intent on heading down this path. I hope someone with experience does help you to keep you safe... Good luck and heavy liftings lol

Age 25 height 6ft weight 203 bf 13% experience n00b

[TheClinch]

do the right thing and read the threads you were provided with...

imagine a life with a limp c*ck...and that can be the tip of the ice berg... true story

[Brandon0212]

Okay

[ma_fighter]

I understand what you're saying and I appreciate the advice but referring to me as a kid when I am 20 years old? That's kind of ironic when you would give advice to a 22 or 23 year old. 2-3 year difference and I am some kid that just wants to use AAS?

I've read all the information about young and steroids and that's why I posted here to see if going from 4 weeks PH to 10 weeks of Test E would be very dangerous. I would love to compete next year and I just wanted to try it out. I would wait another year + before doing any other kind of cycle.

Actually, they would get the same advice as you.

Even doing ONE PH cycle at your age is potentially dangerous, and will potentially do huge permanent damage to your HPTA.
Jumping on Test for 10-12 weeks is even worse.
Doing test back to back with a PH cycle is.. well, take a guess

The younger you are, the greater the RISK of something happening, the more cycles you do, and the more time you spend on, the greater the risk.
20 or 23 is a big, big, difference. I would advice against doing ANY kind of AAS, hormone, PH or peptide, even once, before the age of 26.

3 PH cycles done so far? Get BW done... really, just do it. Check if you have already managed to do some damage.
I also know you'll continue with PH's, and eventually start messing with AAS, so getting BW done now will get you a baseline, so you can see how much you've messed yourself up later down the line, or best case scenario, know when you are fully recovered after PCT.