Test E and Tren Ace cycle questions.

[GymRat96744]

Hey guys so i have been doing research on this cycle for a bit. I will not be running this cycle anytime soon as i have just come off cycle so im in PCT and time off right now. I just want to learn as much as i can about this. So this is the cycle i have planned out for the future.

Stats:
Age 29
weight 215lbs
bf% 14
cycles 4

Cycle
Weeks 1-12 - 500mg Test e 250mg twice a week
Weeks 3- 12 - Tren Ace 100mg ED
AI - Arimidex - .25 EOD
Caber on hand if needed

PCT:
Week 1-2 : Nolva - 40mg ED/Clomid 100mg ED
Week 3-4 : Nolva - 20mg ED/Clomid 50mg ED

My main question are is the Tren Ace dose okay or should it be lower? Should i pin tren ace ED or EOD? Is PCT okay? Any other info and critiquing is appreciated. Thanks guys.

[s.e.bowen]

Hey guys so i have been doing research on this cycle for a bit. I will not be running this cycle anytime soon as i have just come off cycle so im in PCT and time off right now. I just want to learn as much as i can about this. So this is the cycle i have planned out for the future.

Stats:
Age 29
weight 215lbs
bf% 14
cycles 4

Cycle
Weeks 1-12 - 500mg Test e 250mg twice a week
Weeks 3- 12 - Tren Ace 100mg ED
AI - Arimidex - .25 EOD
Caber on hand if needed

PCT:
Week 1-2 : Nolva - 40mg ED/Clomid 100mg ED
Week 3-4 : Nolva - 20mg ED/Clomid 50mg ED

My main question are is the Tren Ace dose okay or should it be lower? Should i pin tren ace ED or EOD? Is PCT okay? Any other info and critiquing is appreciated. Thanks guys.

I never ran Tren ( yet) but from what I understand from research I've done 75-100 mgs eod should be plenty for a first go.

s.e.bowen

[kronik420]

first time running tren??

[stpete]

First time w/tren that's a rather large dose. I'd recommend 100mgs EOD instead. Everything else looks good but i like to use prop instead of E w/the Tren a.

[redz]

Agreed that tren dose is way too high for a first go. About half that should work.

[cj111]

Im currently taking 75mg tren eod, and I think its more than enough, great results...

If I ever decide to run it again I probably wouldn't even up the dose.

[GymRat96744]

first time running tren??

Yes this would be my first time running tren.

[warmouth]

I do like the idea of you using the test a bit before since it is a long ester. But I agree with stpete that prob would be more feasible. I understand you have to work with what you have sometimes.

[GymRat96744]

First time w/tren that's a rather large dose. I'd recommend 100mgs EOD instead. Everything else looks good but i like to use prop instead of E w/the Tren a.

Thanks bro. 100mg EOD it is. Why do you like to use test prop instead of test e? Besides the kick In time is there anything else. And I would be starting the tren at week 3 to give the test time to kick in.

[GymRat96744]

I do like the idea of you using the test a bit before since it is a long ester. But I agree with stpete that prob would be more feasible. I understand you have to work with what you have sometimes.

Is there any other reason prop would be better besides it kicking in quicker?

[stpete]

I like using short and long esters together. But you're fine using the e but i wouldn't start the tren til week 5. That will give you 8 weeks of the tren and that's plenty.

[GymRat96744]

Would you guys recommend kick starting with dbol since I wouldn't start the tren till week 4?

[Wes201]

Interesting that you started this thread. I am actually planning on doing the same thing. I know most people will say either run all long esters or all short esters, but i have my reasons. I prefer long ester test, thats just me. I am going to run ace at a very light dose of 50mg eod. I am going with ace because it is my first time and if i feel like the sides are not woth it, i can just drop it and it is out of my system rather quickly. Wheras with tren enanthate, i would not be so fortunate, as it would take a while to get out of my sytem. So this is only cause its a trial with a new compound. If all goes well, then the next cycle will be tren e.......I prefer long esters

[MickeyKnox]

Thanks bro. 100mg EOD it is. Why do you like to use test prop instead of test e? Besides the kick In time is there anything else. And I would be starting the tren at week 3 to give the test time to kick in.

So that you can end both of them at the same time and begin your PCT in 3 days as opposed to 14.

I like using short and long esters together. But you're fine using the e but i wouldn't start the tren til week 5. That will give you 8 weeks of the tren and that's plenty.

Agree with Pete. 8 wks is plenty for Ace.

Would you guys recommend kick starting with dbol since I wouldn't start the tren till week 4?

You certainly can. Begin your Tren in wk though. Looks like this is shaping up to be a very interesting cycle for you. Im looking forward to seeing your results.

[GymRat96744]

So that you can end both of them at the same time and begin your PCT in 3 days as opposed to 14.

Agree with Pete. 8 wks is plenty for Ace.

You certainly can. Begin your Tren in wk though. Looks like this is shaping up to be a very interesting cycle for you. Im looking forward to seeing your results.

So I would begin the tren in week 4 and it would be 8 weeks if tren in a 12 week cycle right?

[MickeyKnox]

So I would begin the tren in week 4 and it would be 8 weeks if tren in a 12 week cycle right?

Begin in wk 5 for 8wks of Tren, like Pete suggested.

[MickeyKnox]

I just realized in my response in post #14 i left out the wk #. That should read, "Begin your Tren in wk 5 though."

[GymRat96744]

I just realized in my response in post #14 i left out the wk #. That should read, "Begin your Tren in wk 5 though."

Okay got it week 5. Also do you guys recommended anything to help with the insomnia? Don't know if ill get that side but not one of the favorite side effects.

[MuscleInk]

Okay got it week 5. Also do you guys recommended anything to help with the insomnia? Don't know if ill get that side but not one of the favorite side effects.

If it becomes an issue, try milder compounds before jumping to serious compounds. Some recommend melatonin. I found diphenhydramine works well even at low doses but now that I've upped my GH the trensomnia has been an issue for me.

Don't take anything stronger until necessary. There are a lot of options.

[GymRat96744]

So that you can end both of them at the same time and begin your PCT in 3 days as opposed to 14.

Agree with Pete. 8 wks is plenty for Ace.

You certainly can. Begin your Tren in wk though. Looks like this is shaping up to be a very interesting cycle for you. Im looking forward to seeing your results.

Thanks bro in looking forward to this one too everyone says tren is awesome. I'll let everyone know how it goes.

[GymRat96744]

If it becomes an issue, try milder compounds before jumping to serious compounds. Some recommend melatonin. I found diphenhydramine works well even at low doses but now that I've upped my GH the trensomnia has been an issue for me.

Don't take anything stronger until necessary. There are a lot of options.

Ill try the melatonin first if it becomes a issue. Thanks for the help.

[GymRat96744]

Hey guys i stated above i was thinking about throwing in dbol for the first 4 weeks to kick start due to the fact that i wont be starting the tren ace till week 5 due to the test enanthate kick in time. My question is with the dbol interfere with the "Shredding" effect of the tren ace? and if it will is there something else i could throw in as a kick start? thanks guys

[MickeyKnox]

Depending on your diet and AI, Dbol can bloat you up. But you have lots of time to fully research that since your cycle is not starting for another 12wks or so.

[GymRat96744]

Depending on your diet and AI, Dbol can bloat you up. But you have lots of time to fully research that since your cycle is not starting for another 12wks or so.

Yeah I thought dbol would of that I eat clean. Was just wondering what some other options would be.

[AnabolicDoc]

Maybe Tbol would be worth looking into. Ppl often describe it as Dbol without the bloat. Not sure how accurate that is. And it's with mentioning that the water retention on Dbol accounts for a significant portion of the gains

[GymRat96744]

Thanks doc will look into tbol.

[GymRat96744]

HEy guys so i was told above to pin 100mg EOD of tren ace. Is there any upside to pinning 50mg ED?? Does it make a difference?

[Brohim]

Hey guys so i have been doing research on this cycle for a bit. I will not be running this cycle anytime soon as i have just come off cycle so im in PCT and time off right now. I just want to learn as much as i can about this. So this is the cycle i have planned out for the future.

Stats:
Age 29
weight 215lbs
bf% 14
cycles 4

Cycle
Weeks 1-12 - 500mg Test e 250mg twice a week
Weeks 3- 12 - Tren Ace 100mg ED
AI - Arimidex - .25 EOD
Caber on hand if needed

PCT:
Week 1-2 : Nolva - 40mg ED/Clomid 100mg ED
Week 3-4 : Nolva - 20mg ED/Clomid 50mg ED

My main question are is the Tren Ace dose okay or should it be lower? Should i pin tren ace ED or EOD? Is PCT okay? Any other info and critiquing is appreciated. Thanks guys.

use test prop if you are going to use tren ace. Lower test dose to 200mg and run tren 350mg. use armidex to keep e2 low and you should not have any prolactin problem's. Tren problems arise in the presence of estrogen - so keep that low. run out your nolva to 6 weeks for PCT. And by god if you have Caber why the hell not use it. Run it .5mg twice a week. Safe insurance incase bunk AI


edit: just saw you are using the ace the last 6-8 weeks, or as long as you can handle it. haha. Good move, you can use Tbol or Var to jumpstart your cycle. ( neither convert to estrogen and will elicit hard and dry look) I would still advise to lower your test dose before starting Tren. And keep E2 in check the whole time.

[GymRat96744]

use test prop if you are going to use tren ace. Lower test dose to 200mg and run tren 350mg. use armidex to keep e2 low and you should not have any prolactin problem's. Tren problems arise in the presence of estrogen - so keep that low. run out your nolva to 6 weeks for PCT. And by god if you have Caber why the hell not use it. Run it .5mg twice a week. Safe insurance incase bunk AI

edit: just saw you are using the ace the last 6-8 weeks, or as long as you can handle it. haha. Good move, you can use Tbol or Var to jumpstart your cycle. ( neither convert to estrogen and will elicit hard and dry look) I would still advise to lower your test dose before starting Tren. And keep E2 in check the whole time.

If I may ask why do you advise to lower the test dose?

[MickeyKnox]

If I may ask why do you advise to lower the test dose?

Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About TREN.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.UJLsG2fX_fs

[Emerald]

Im currently taking 75mg tren eod, and I think its more than enough, great results...

If I ever decide to run it again I probably wouldn't even up the dose.

Can you describe in detail your results? Thanks

[GymRat96744]

Is it possible to pin 50mg Ed instead of 100mg eod?? Is there any cons to pinning 50mg Ed instead of 100mg eod?

[MickeyKnox]

Is it possible to pin 50mg Ed instead of 100mg eod?? Is there any cons to pinning 50mg Ed instead of 100mg eod?

Other than the unnecessary pinning, i cant think of any.