Is there a difference really? Mg for mg
Been thinking about it, since test is test and all.
For those who ran both, what you think?
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Is there a difference really? Mg for mg
Been thinking about it, since test is test and all.
For those who ran both, what you think?
"The Italian Stallion"
I have run both.
First cycle sust 500/week(i got it strait from PHARMACY. SUSTANON 250 ORGANON.
Second 500/week test e from UGL ALPHA PHARMA.
I know sust was first run but PHARMACY STUFF rules.
LOVED SUST!!
Next cycle SUST 1cc m/w/f
ARs TOP DOG ~ MONITOR ~
Like you said test is test.
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Ha, figured. . . It just makes no "real" sense on why one is better than the other. I read the whole separate peak theory, but I call BS.Originally Posted by songdog
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Comparing Ester of test is like buying a car..................How fast do you wanna go and how long does it take ta get there?
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As long as the injection frequency is right then it really doesnt matter.a, figured. . . It just makes no "real" sense on why one is better than the other. I read the whole separate peak theory, but I call BS.
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Bingo.
But like SD said, test is test. Its your goals and cycle that determines your choice of ester.
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Come on man, a real answer.
If you run mg for mg sust vs test enan is there a difference in gains, sides or anything else that matters?
I say no, but ask someone who has done both.
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The answer is, provided the protocols reflect the esters and the blood serums levels have reached the saturation equivalent to both Sust and Enth, no there is absolutely no difference. Anyone that tells you there is, ask for data to support their claim.
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I prefer Sust because of the prop and phenylprop in it. Pin it EOD and i like that too.
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Well I've ran sust, test c, and test e.
So far I feel personally the sustanon had something special about it. I got some crazy pumps off low doses and did not follow proper protocol like eod or e3d or even e3.5d.... I pinned once a week and was walking wood, made about 15lbs off the cycle and was pumped 24/7. I could look at the weights and get a pump. I find with the test im on now, it took forever to have any effect but now it has, it's very enjoyable. Maybe placebo effect or maybe not but I'm gonna giver another go next cycle... Even tho I have 40mL test e laying around
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requires different pinning protocols, and you will see slightly different timeline based gains. Sust will require EOD vs 2x/wk to make use of the shorter esters
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I have guys in my gym that swear that they get more bloat from test C and E, but I keep telling them its bull! Iv'e been using test C for years, both frrom my doc and black market, and remain unbloated! And I'm the oldest guy in our group!
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Bloat isn't to do with what you take it's either estrogen related or excess sodium in the diet making the body retain water.
Correct use of an ai will stop any estrogen related bloat and if diet is full of sodium maybe steroids isn't for them.
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And you can take that to the BANK! lol
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ran both sustanon and test e, both human grade, both injected every 3.5 days and absolutely no difference, except pip from sust.
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Pip from the sust was a bit worse but I still prefer it. Just kicked in quicker because of the blend. I pinned 1ml (250mg) e3d and I loved it. From now on if when I use single esters I'm jut gonna stick to prop
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Chive. In reference to this post and o comment you made on mine... 1 ml every three days is 625??/week. Also if you were to inject less than 1 ml e3d, say .75 would there be enough short ester to be Benefit from?
Thanks.
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Not 625, but 583.33mg weekly. In actuality, we wouldn't calculate it in that sense- we just say it's 250mg e3d. When calculating prop, we just adjust the eod dose and not the weekly dose because it's changing each week in actuality. What we really want to know is what is the stable level we achieve from the dose. This depends on the ester/blend. The point of using e3d or eod is to achieve stable levels and utilize everything available being injected to its maximum potential. Fractional calculations are redundant - you must understand your protocol and the rational behind it.
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I would have to say I actually prefer test e over sus.
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To avoid hijacking a thread go check your old one I posted in there
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Settled - test is test
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Lol, yes test is test but shall we calculate the ester weights of say 1mL test e 250 vs 1mL sustanon 250 and figure out how much test is test after ester weight removed?
Might be useful, or a complete waste if time lol
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Interesting to bring up, I've never really thought about it that way. I'm sure Mickey or some other senior member has a study or numbers on it
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Active Steroid per 100mg:-
testosterone Base: 100mg
testosterone Acetate: 83mg
testosterone Propionate: 80mg
testosterone Isocaproate: 72mg
testosterone Enanthate: 70mg
testosterone Cypionate: 69mg
testosterone Phenylpropionate: 66mg
testosterone Decanoate: 62mg
testosterone Undecanoate: 61mg
Sustanon 250
Testosterone-Propionate 30mg
24mg after ester cleaved off
Testosterone-Phenylpropionate 60mg
39.6mg after ester cleaved off
Testosterone-Isocaproate - 60mg
43.2mg after ester cleaved off
Testosterone-Decanoate -100mg
62mg after ester cleaved off
Total available test after ester cleaving
165.8mg/ml
Test enth 250mg/ml
After ester cleaving
175mg/ml
Testosterone enanthate is the winner
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Science rules!
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Never did the science, just by how my body reacted and felt.
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That would probably be from the large amounts of fast acting peakingNever did the science, just by how my body reacted and felt.
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Nicely Done..................now maybe we can put this thread to rest
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I'm surprised somebody hasn't done this before
The amount of threads asking which is best.
Now we know
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Well played
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i guess it all depends on what we're talking about here. are we talking about real organon sust or just blends in general. there are test blends that will equal test e in mg per mg. but, i'd rather have real organon sust than a ugl test e. but i'd rather have test e than sust/blend if we're talking ugl to ugl or hg to hg simply because of the pip. but in the big scheme of things, I wouldn't stress over the 9.2 mg more test in e over sust.
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True true, I would say grade to grade. Pharma over ugl any day for sure.
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and you da man... well done
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