Help with Letro, On Cycle Gyno Problems

[maskofjason]

I just wrote this huge post and it got deleted because its spm??
I am taking letro on cycle for a lump I got during my last cycle.
2.5 weeks in sust/EQ tbol cycle my nips looking a little puffier. I've been taking letro 2.5 mg/day over 2 weeks. Was feeling crazy tired, depressed and moody first 1.5 weeks but feeling better now. Rusty joints.
Any tips for me to get through this. I dont know what got my last post deleted so I will keep this short and just answer your questions you have
750mg sust every week (3/4ml eod) 600 mg eq every week, 50 mg tbol ed

[redz]

Is this your first cycle? were you running an ai before letro?

[maskofjason]

I ran a cycle before, 500mg/week test e. dbol for kickstart. I was using arimidex on my last cycle and i started noticing puffy nips and itching. I used some nova I had on hand and it made the itching go away so I used nova instead and nova/aromisin for pct. When my cycle was over I had a small lump but it wasnt bad.
I decided to run letro during this cycle to try and kill this lump. I just dont want it getting worse, it seems softer but also more noticable. I think maybe because the letro has dried me out so much.
Right now I have nova, aromasin, letro, clomid and that arimidex i didnt like on hand.. Only using letro as of now
im about 18 days in my cycle

[redz]

You should have been running the aromasin through the cycle before running in to an issue. Letro will crush your estrogen and when you stop there will be a rebound so you'll want to switch over to your aromasin for the rest of the cycle after the letro.

[MickeyKnox]

I just wrote this huge post and it got deleted because its spm??
I am taking letro on cycle for a lump I got during my last cycle.
2.5 weeks in sust/EQ tbol cycle my nips looking a little puffier. I've been taking letro 2.5 mg/day over 2 weeks. Was feeling crazy tired, depressed and moody first 1.5 weeks but feeling better now. Rusty joints.
Any tips for me to get through this. I dont know what got my last post deleted so I will keep this short and just answer your questions you have
750mg sust every week (3/4ml eod) 600 mg eq every week, 50 mg tbol ed

I ran a cycle before, 500mg/week test e. dbol for kickstart. I was using arimidex on my last cycle and i started noticing puffy nips and itching. I used some nova I had on hand and it made the itching go away so I used nova instead and nova/aromisin for pct. When my cycle was over I had a small lump but it wasnt bad.
I decided to run letro during this cycle to try and kill this lump. I just dont want it getting worse, it seems softer but also more noticable. I think maybe because the letro has dried me out so much.
Right now I have nova, aromasin, letro, clomid and that arimidex i didnt like on hand.. Only using letro as of now
im about 18 days in my cycle

You should have been running the aromasin through the cycle before running in to an issue. Letro will crush your estrogen and when you stop there will be a rebound so you'll want to switch over to your aromasin for the rest of the cycle after the letro.

Agreed with Redz.

Or..you could consider aborting this cycle and properly dealing with this Gyno before beginning another cycle?? I dont get some guys.

If you had use your SERMS's and AI properly in the first place, you likely wouldn't have this problem. Also, you may find it difficult to combat your existing Gyno while taking almost a gram and a half of AAS every week.

[maskofjason]

Agreed with Redz.

Or..you could consider aborting this cycle and properly dealing with this Gyno before beginning another cycle?? I dont get some guys.

If you had use your SERMS's and AI properly in the first place, you likely wouldn't have this problem. Also, you may find it difficult to combat your existing Gyno while taking almost a gram and a half of AAS every week.

Thanks for the help guys. I know that my last cycle was what caused this problem. I think the arimidex was fake that I used. I didnt get ahold of that aromasin until right at the end of the cycle. I had arimidex and nova on hand.
I thought about aborting this cycle like you said. I'm 17 days in for the injects of test and EQ, how would I properly do this?
If my letro is killing all my estrogen why would this lump seem to be growing? Do you think I can run this cycle at a lower dose or I should just drop the whole thing?
I feel like this lump started growing shortly after I was feeling the sides from the letro, I dont know if its letro causing the growth or if its the TBOL or test, I figure I'm just so sensitive to gyno that when my hormones get out of balance it just grows. I can send a pic, it wont allow me to post one because im a new member

[MickeyKnox]

This may help.

Gynecomastia: Etiology, Diagnosis, And Treatment

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t#.UTORlzcUX0E

[maskofjason]

I read that whole post you sent me,
say my estrogen is next to zero,,, I can still bring in estrogen from outside sources (Marijane)?


It also says clomid can induce gyno, should I not be taking clomid for my PCT since I have a lump?..
I dropped my shot today to half ml thinking its best to stick to 500mg/week of sust instead of 750
I'll probably drop the EQ right out of my cycle if its not too late to do so, I've been on this cycle almost 3 weeks.
Mickey Knocks you may think I'm a fool for not doing enough research, I agree. This is starting to effect my life and I wish I had never tried AAS at this point. I guess its addictive watching the progress and gains. Wish I could enjoy a cycle without freaking out like this.
I keep editing my posts because this site wont allow certain words

[AnabolicDoc]

In addition to an AI Anand dose reduction of AAS (or compete cessation) you should be taking a SERM, preferably Nolva or Ralox, asap. When you're done with the letro you might want to taper over a week or so and then start arimidex or aromasin at 0.5mg and 15-25mg, respectively eod. Or 0.25mg and 10-12.5mg eod if you reduce your AAS intake.

If you want to end your cycle early, then just stop. Wait the appropriate time for everything to clear (I can't remember what exactly your taking) and then start a nolva/clomid PCT. Have you been using HCG since you started your cycle. If not, start asap for about a week at maybe 250 ed or 500 eod - these are middle of the road numbers as some ppl would advise higher and some lower or maybe even no HCG.

Good luck!

[maskofjason]

Is it ever hard trying to communicate this issue when everytime I write a detailed message I get denied to post because of spam>? I'm not spamming anything.
Take nova and letro together your saying?
I have no HCG my supplier didnt have it on hand so I should get it soon. He said its no big deal I should only run it after my cycle

[maskofjason]

I was taking sust 750 / week eq 600 / week and Tbol 50 / day
just dropped my sust intake today, planning on taking 500 / week and cutting the EQ out of my cycle.. I've been running all this for 18 days. too late to cut the EQ out?

[AnabolicDoc]

On to of everything you don't have hcg, so stop your cycle and take care of the gyno. Take the letro and nolva (20mg ed) together. Preferably get a different AI as letro can cause your estrogen levels to drop drastically. Maybe you can take half the dose of letro ed for now.

It should be all cleared up within 3 weeks, hopefully and that's when you'd start your PCT. I say 3 weeks bc of the decanoate ester in sust. I don't know about clomid causing gyno. I think I've read that it can be used to treat gyno, it's just not very effective. Also you may want to do a week of hcg (with an AI) once the gyno is gone and then start clomid and tamoxifen PCT.

[maskofjason]

On to of everything you don't have hcg, so stop your cycle and take care of the gyno. Take the letro and nolva (20mg ed) together. Preferably get a different AI as letro can cause your estrogen levels to drop drastically. Maybe you can take half the dose of letro ed for now.

It should be all cleared up within 3 weeks, hopefully and that's when you'd start your PCT. I say 3 weeks bc of the decanoate ester in sust. I don't know about clomid causing gyno. I think I've read that it can be used to treat gyno, it's just not very effective. Also you may want to do a week of hcg (with an AI) once the gyno is gone and then start clomid and tamoxifen PCT.

Alright man I will stop this cycle, Hopefully the gyno goes away
Thanks for your help.

[getfit28]

How long have you been running your metro? It usually take weeks before you see any fixing to your gyno.. I had the same issue years back so I ran letro for like a month or so and lowered my test mg per week and it worked. I also did lots of cardio doing this since gyno is fat... however, what works for one might not work for the other good luck.

[AnabolicDoc]

I pretty sure gyno is the development of actual breast tissue. Fat accumulation over the pecs is your run of the mill man boobs.