Second cycle, any advice?

[eddy5574]

Hi guys,

I'm planning on doing a 12 week bulk. I'm a rugby player and my season has just finished. I'm 25 ,5'10, 224lbs sub 15%bf with a solid 8-9 years of weight training behind me.

I am planning on cycling deca and sust. Can you guys advise what the best way for me to cycle is?

I completed a 12 week deca cycle last year and got massive strenght gains so was hoping to step it up this year and then do a cut once completed.

Any advice would be great

[austinite]

500 test and 300 deca is a good start.

Now if you can setup a full cycle here for critique, I can advise you further.

[eddy5574]

Thanks for the reply. To be honest I haven't got a cycle set up yet. Just doing my research now before kicking anything off. My gear is being delivered on Wednesday but happy to hold off as long as I need to, to get it right.
Do you have any advice on what the best option to cycle is? Frequency of pins? Etc?

When I done deca last year I only done it small at 250mg per week split over two pins. Didn't even consider a pct. while results were pretty good I want to be absolutely sure this time that I am taking the most from it. Thanks again for the reply and apologies for the relatively noob questions.

[austinite]

Thanks for the reply. To be honest I haven't got a cycle set up yet. Just doing my research now before kicking anything off. My gear is being delivered on Wednesday but happy to hold off as long as I need to, to get it right.
Do you have any advice on what the best option to cycle is? Frequency of pins? Etc?

When I done deca last year I only done it small at 250mg per week split over two pins. Didn't even consider a pct. while results were pretty good I want to be absolutely sure this time that I am taking the most from it. Thanks again for the reply and apologies for the relatively noob questions.

Eddy, there are tons of threads on this forum. I need you to research this and give us a proposal. Spoon feeding will only lead to more threads like this. Good to have you on board and looking forward to helping you out. Help us help you so that you know what questions to ask once offered critique.

[eddy5574]

Thanks for the feedback. I will do some more research and post my planned cycle

[austinite]

Thanks for the feedback. I will do some more research and post my planned cycle

Great. I will be looking for it!

[eddy5574]

So here is what I am thinking.


Deca 250 per week split over 2 shots 4 days apart. Run this for 10 weeks

Sust 100mg every second day for 12 weeks

Start nolvadex on week 4 and run for 8 weeks finishing when I finish the sust.

Ptc I am planning clomid 4 weeks after last pin for 4 weeks. 75/75/35/35

Any advice would be great.

[Provita]

Nolva should be run in PCT with clomid.

You need an AI during cycle. Arimidex 0.25mg eod. Run through entire cycle.

HCG 250 IU 2x per week. Through entire cycle. Stop 4 days before PCT.

This is your second cycle. Why do you not know these things? You should read up a lot more.

[Provita]

Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t#.UJSEImfX_fs

SERM, AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition

hCG and Pregnenolone; What you should know.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJWP6mfX_fs

Why HCG is So Important

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIlhVWfX_ft

[austinite]

Nolva should be run in PCT with clomid.

You need an AI during cycle. Arimidex 0.25mg eod. Run through entire cycle.

HCG 250 IU 2x per week. Through entire cycle. Stop 4 days before PCT.

There you go.

[eddy5574]

Thanks guys, I totally agree I have so much to learn.

I'm not looking to be spoon fed but I really appreciate the advice.

I will for sure try learn a good bit more before starting the cycle. Thanks again

[BBrian]

And just for future reference, don't take Nandrolone (deca) by itself again. Testosterone should always be the core of any anabolic cycle. When I was young I took deca by itself a few times simply because I did not know any better. The strength gains were awesome, but the size was nothing more than water retention and what mass I did manage to gain was a result of those strength gains. Not to mention how devastating deca is on natural testosterone production; I got away with this in my mid/late 20's only because my hpta was so bombastic then.

Testosterone is what will allow you to add lean muscle mass, but only if your taking in the right calories.

[Gaspaco]

Testosterone is what will allow you to add lean muscle mass, but only if your taking in the right calories.

^^^^

Test is the best, but DIET is the KEY!!!

[Provita]

Thanks guys, I totally agree I have so much to learn.

I'm not looking to be spoon fed but I really appreciate the advice.

I will for sure try learn a good bit more before starting the cycle. Thanks again

Try and read up again and then post your preferred cycle... And yes, make sure your diet is good!! Nothing happens before diet.

[austinite]

And just for future reference, don't take Nandrolone (deca) by itself again. Testosterone should always be the core of any anabolic cycle. When I was young I took deca by itself a few times simply because I did not know any better. The strength gains were awesome, but the size was nothing more than water retention and what mass I did manage to gain was a result of those strength gains. Not to mention how devastating deca is on natural testosterone production; I got away with this in my mid/late 20's only because my hpta was so bombastic then.

Testosterone is what will allow you to add lean muscle mass, but only if your taking in the right calories.

Sust is Test.

[BBrian]

Sust is Test.

Indeed, I'm very familiar with sustanon. But I'm confused, because I didn't mention anything about that compound. The OP stated that he had taken deca by itself previously, and that's what I was referring to.

[austinite]

Indeed, I'm very familiar with sustanon. But I'm confused, because I didn't mention anything about that compound. The OP stated that he had taken deca by itself previously, and that's what I was referring to.

I see. makes sense!! Sorry.

[kelkel]

Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t#.UJSEImfX_fs

SERM, AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition

hCG and Pregnenolone; What you should know.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJWP6mfX_fs

Why HCG is So Important

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIlhVWfX_ft

Oh man, all those links. Mickey's gonna be upset.....

[BBrian]

I see. makes sense!! Sorry.

No worries, I see that you probably thought I was referring to the OP's proposed cycle.

[Provita]

Oh man, all those links. Mickey's gonna be upset.....

I hope not. He should be happy that he can help someone...

[eddy5574]

Hi guys I think I have finally figured out my second cycle. Many thanks to all that gave me advice.

Here is what I am thinking.

Deca nandrobolin 250mg per ml shot once a week on a Monday for 8 weeks

Sust 250mg per ml shot twice a week Monday and Thursday for 10 weeks.

Arimidex 0.25mg eod. Run through entire cycle.

HCG 250 IU 2x per week. Through entire cycle. Stop 4 days before PCT.

Nolva and clomid for pct 3 weeks after final pin.

How does this look? Is there anything anyone would change?

[Live for the PUMP]

Hi guys I think I have finally figured out my second cycle. Many thanks to all that gave me advice.

Here is what I am thinking.

Deca nandrobolin 250mg per ml shot once a week on a Monday for 8 weeks

Sust 250mg per ml shot twice a week Monday and Thursday for 10 weeks.

Arimidex 0.25mg eod. Run through entire cycle.

HCG 250 IU 2x per week. Through entire cycle. Stop 4 days before PCT.

Nolva and clomid for pct 3 weeks after final pin.

How does this look? Is there anything anyone would change?

Read up on Deca more. 8 weeks would be a waste of time IMO.