Rookie in need of 2nd opinion! 1st cycle

[Rodder1016]

Ok, so to all the veterans out there, im completely new to the anabolic world. Been lifting for years on and off. Worked with many people (friends) over the years. Worked on dieting, sleep, supplements (vitamins included), change in routines etc. Definately body builder type. Have had great results and seem to have great genetics. However, I have decided to take the next step over to the anabolic world. Most the guys ive trained with have been on stuff for years. seeing the results and talking to them for so long, it would seem that they know what they are talking about. BUT....after joining the site and having started my 1st cycle, im now thinking that they are not in fact very educated at all. And i am currently in the later state i believe of my 1st cycle and would like some direction on where i should go as it seems im not actually doing as i should per so many articles ive read. So here is some history of my current 1st cycle:

male
167lbs
5'6"
started with a test cyp 300mg
admin 1cc every 5days
went onto 2nd bottle test cyp 300mg
still admin 1cc every 4/5days

im currently now on my 3rd bottle of test cyp 350mg and deca 300mg
admin 1cc of ea every 4days
anavar 20mg 2-3x's day

now, ive read that aromasin should be used during the cycle. Ive verbally been told multiple times by the many using anabolics that the doses i am using are so low that i should suffer no side effects (because they have not) nor worry about gyno. ive also read about pct. Again due to current dosing, was told not to worry. In fact I'll quote a friend " i have tried everything and for years and with no side effects.the levels in which we are using compared to most body builders is nothing." but again, with all the reading i have done based on hard facts, im lead to believe different. Help!!

[gearbox]

Age???

[Gaspaco]

Age???

^^^this + is this your first cycle? How long are you on?

[gearbox]

Since you already started your cycle you should be running an ai. Adex is a good start. You can purchase from ar-r site sponsor. You should be pinning twice a week every 3.5 days (Sunday morning Wednesday night is an ex)
I would not run var or anything else first cycle.

[Rodder1016]

I'm 31yrs old
did the var alone before. seem very tight/hard on the var. was doing more ea day but stomach issues at 4 a day. was told to throw it back in the mix just 2-3 day

was also told to do one more bottle of the test cyp and deca after completion of this one and then come off for a month?

this is also my 1st cycle.

so question is AI, adex. I should get this and start asap.
pct, worry or not?
finish the cyp and dec and come off or do another bottle and then come off? how long should the cycle be?
and big question, i currently pin cyp and then dec the following day. 1cc ea. should they both be done the same day? and should i mix them and pic 2cc's at once?


As you can tell i have many questions as to the AI and PCT and how long to stay on before coming off etc.
appreciate the help!

[Antonious]

Aromasin 1.0-1.25mg ED, or adex 0.25-0.5 EOD. Some go well on aromasin, some respond better to adex. Try and get to know what is for you.

Should of start HCG in the beggining of your cycle, 250IU twice a week. Some prefer one shot of 500IU (because there is an opinion that anything lower than 500 is a waste) or 500IU twice a week. Start with 250IU twice a week now and see how you doing.

You are 31 and should know to research before putting something in your body. PCT is a must, an hour of searching will give you an answer but i suggest to sit down learn about AAS, cause this thread is still not enough to understand what it is and how to properly run a cycle/PCT.

[fit2bOld]

So don't touch the deca. It is a 19 nor and is more apt to give you side effect than the test. So I think you have been on test for about 15+ weeks. That is more than long enough and it is time to do PCT. if you don't have it you can get it from the site sponsor ARR banner at the top. Clomid and nolva. You should research this but the short cut is this. 2 weeks after last shot

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Theses are the dosages in mg. per day over 4 weeks

Do not listen to all the bro science and yes you do need an AI on cycle regardless if your having sides, I bet blood work would show you to have elevated estrogen and if you adds the deca it will really soar.Time to get off and. Ormalize bro and take 6 months off before you do anything and educate yourself

[johnnymctrance]

Prob a good idea to have pct sorted before u begin a cycle in future

[Rodder1016]

This is why I joined the site! To better educate and listen less to the trial and errors of the fellow bro who says he knows!

So at this point, should I finish out the deca and cyp thought the next x amount of weeks till its gone? Or simply stop now and immediately work on getting myself clomid and nolva?

(Not sure if its needed info but I have acne on my chest only. And get hot from time to time. Describe as a hot flash? And nips little tender. Almost feels like a lump under right side)

[Rodder1016]

Also50/50/25/25
Does this mean take 50mg Ed 2 wks then 25mg ed the following 2 wks

Also the ar-r site seems to show liquids! Clomi ? And ?

[MickeyKnox]

Unbelievable.

Your fiends know nothing, therefore you know nothing. In over a year, I have yet to see one, ONE "friend" that knows what the heck they are talking about...not ONE!

Here's the delio kiddo. Youre on a real slippery slope and if you don't pay attention fast, youre gonna slide off the cliff without a parachute. Youve been giver some solid knowledgeable advice. I highly recommend you take it.

AR-R.com has your PCT items. They are listed as Liquid Tamox and Liquid Clomi. And yes, the numbers for PCT represent how much to dose each day, and for how many wks.

And do not stop your cycle until you have your PCT in your hand! BUT, i would drop the Deca now so that most of it will be out of your system when your PCT arrives. Regardless, Its important to know that Deca has a 21 day ester, and Cyp has an 18 day ester. So you want to ensure you wait at least 18 days after last pin....WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PCT IN HAND.

Don't be foolish next time. If you're not sure, come here for guidance!

Good luck.

[Rodder1016]

Like I said prior, listened to friends who have shown tons of results. But I'm here and soaking in everything I'm reading and you all r explaining. There is quite a lot to learn! It's its own science! And I do appreciate the feedback first and foremost.

I'm still slow being the newb at this bit want to do right. So here is my only other question:
Ar-r
50ml 20mg/ml tamox
70ml 35mg/ml clomi
A) being that its liquid vs oral, i assume this is another pin item.
B) if yes, how does that equate to a syringe/correct dosage? I have 3ml syringes
C) how many bottles do I need to buy seeing I don't know the conversion of mg/ml

[trenhead1]

If u can get hold off rohm pct tabs were u are based they would be enough for the cycle u have run and there just orals nice and simple have allways worked a treat for me and recovery Donno if anyone disagree but IMO they'd be sweet

[MickeyKnox]

Like I said prior, listened to friends who have shown tons of results. But I'm here and soaking in everything I'm reading and you all r explaining. There is quite a lot to learn! It's its own science! And I do appreciate the feedback first and foremost.

I'm still slow being the newb at this bit want to do right. So here is my only other question:
Ar-r
50ml 20mg/ml tamox
70ml 35mg/ml clomi
A) being that its liquid vs oral, i assume this is another pin item. No. These are administered orally. They are shipped with an oral syringe.
B) if yes, how does that equate to a syringe/correct dosage? I have 3ml syringes
C) how many bottles do I need to buy seeing I don't know the conversion of mg/ml You will need 1 of each. But while youre there, pick up extra AI for next cycle. (L-Stane or L-Dex).

Ask as many questions as you feel necessary to finish this cycle safely and responsibly. No one will give you grief for that.

[Rodder1016]

Awesome! I will get on ar-r tonight and take care of that. Deca out! Did cyp today.. And ai for next cycle. and next cycle which I should wait 6mnths for per above posts correct.

My minds also on overload but thanks again to everyone and the site!
Happy lifting

[ChiveOn]

1. AR-R liquids are ORAL. Do NOT inject them!!!!
2. It says mg/ml right on the bottle you can do the math on how much you need. Although I would guess one bottle of each is plenty
3. See 1 and 2

[Rodder1016]

Knox, thanks again for the info... as well as everyone else's responses.
so i have ordered myself tamox and clomi

In addition, i went with the AROMASIN – Exemestane

Done hrs of reading on stane vs dex and from all the write ups as well as opinions, the aromasin just seems like its got the edge over the other ai.

Pct and ai ordered. So only last question: 6mnths of off time? Is this normal/a std between cycles or simply because of the cycle I've done and that's a recommendation?

[ChiveOn]

Time on + pct = time off

[MickeyKnox]

Time on + pct = time off

Bingo!

[Rodder1016]

Received my clomid and nolva .
the syringe that came with it is in increments of .1, .2, .3 up to .9 then 1ml. so in regards to taking 50mg, what is that in ml?
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Theses are the dosages in mg. per day over 4 weeks

[MickeyKnox]

Received my clomid and nolva .
the syringe that came with it is in increments of .1, .2, .3 up to .9 then 1ml. so in regards to taking 50mg, what is that in ml?
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Theses are the dosages in mg. per day over 4 weeks

Read the bottle. How many mg are there in a ml for each compound? mg/ml?

Once you know this, do some simple math.

Post up the mg/ml for Clomid and Nolva and we'll help you through it.

[Rodder1016]

Clomid 70ml 35mg/ml
Nolva 50ml 20mg/ml

[Rodder1016]

Anyone?

[qscgugcsq]

If you are able to order something on internet you are able to do that math... if you are not smart enough to find the ml needed to have 50mg on 35mg/ml you are not smart enough for aas...

Im not sry to be that harsh, seriously...

[EyE]

for example...nolva...Every ML has a value of 20 MG....So to get 40 MG, you need 2 ML

[MickeyKnox]

Clomid 70ml 35mg/ml
Nolva 50ml 20mg/ml

Clomid first wk = administer 2ml per day for 7 days. Then 1.5ml per day for remaining three wks.

Nolva first wk = administer 2ml per day for 7 days. Then 1ml per day for remaining three wks.

[Rodder1016]

Thanks for the help Knox & eYe.

qsc... I'm on this site so I can read and learn and try to self educate. however i might ask a hundred questions being my first time! if I and other members in need choose to do so, honestly, we don't need members to tell us we are not smart, or not answer our questions and help. I don't want to guess or try to figure things out being my first time. But I appreciate your response

[MickeyKnox]

Thanks for the help Knox & eYe.

qsc... I'm on this site so I can read and learn and try to self educate. however i might ask a hundred questions being my first time! if I and other members in need choose to do so, honestly, we don't need members to tell us we are not smart, or not answer our questions and help. I don't want to guess or try to figure things out being my first time. But I appreciate your response

No worries mate.

I think the problem is, often we see new members who ask repeated simple questions that are easily answered with a 2 second search. This indicates a level of laziness on the part of the OP, and occasionally it can become frustrating.

Continue with your research and read as much as you can, then read some more.

[Rodder1016]

No worries mate.

I think the problem is, often we see new members who ask repeated simple questions that are easily answered with a 2 second search. This indicates a level of laziness on the part of the OP, and occasionally it can become frustrating.

Continue with your research and read as much as you can, then read some more.

^^read and read and read is what I have been doing and will continue to do! Still learning to get better at navigating on the site as well. I have found many many answers to questions. However I've seen many different responses to those same questions as well. Again, thanks and happy lifting!

[Rodder1016]

Here's a question that arose last night from another member in addition to also being a question of mine... This also pertains to pct. I could not find the answer to this one. The question asked was how do you formulate the correct mg of your pct items I.e. clomid and nolva? The only answers seen to this question are people's responses as to what you should take in Mg's all differing but how to figure out what you or I should take for a dose was not answered. So 2 questions is how to figure out the correct mg, some say do 50, 70, 45, 100etc and question 2 is why r there so many different responses? And are the different answers because these members know what the formula is to properly calculate the dose?

[ReverendNewman]

Like I said prior, listened to friends who have shown tons of results. But I'm here and soaking in everything I'm reading and you all r explaining. There is quite a lot to learn! It's its own science! And I do appreciate the feedback first and foremost.

I'm still slow being the newb at this bit want to do right. So here is my only other question:
Ar-r
50ml 20mg/ml tamox

70ml 35mg/ml clomi
A) being that its liquid vs oral, i assume this is another pin item.
B) if yes, how does that equate to a syringe/correct dosage? I have 3ml syringes
C) how many bottles do I need to buy seeing I don't know the conversion of mg/ml

No they will will send u a 1 ML oral syringe. I mix it with a little Crystal Light. AND the stuff is still NASTY tasting. U are forwarned. LOL