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So as I sit here watching the morning news I see that the bill to limit the size of fountain drinks failed in NY. Meanwhile in Mississippi, a bill has passed that bans the posting of calorie counts and nutritional information in restaurants. It was also stated the Mississippi has the highest rate of obesity in the country, so this comes as no surprise.
Thoughts on this?
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Sounds like I'm going to Mississippi to get me some eats!
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What possible good is there for banning the calorific data on things? That just leads to over eating.
"It's ok, this cake has like, 150 Kcal, so ill have two"
People have no real idea how many calories are in things. I was in Nando's yesterday with a buddy, he ordered the houmous and later checked its data, 750Kcal!
No wonder it's such an obese place.
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I suppose that's the point of the whole thing. If they don't have to see the info then they don't have to worry about the 4,000 cals they just stuffed in themselves. This way they can blame their obesity on anything other than the food they dump down their mouth hole.Originally Posted by krugerr
Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
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I agree with those who say it's government over reaching. They have done enough banning. If they want to do some good then instead of banning soft drinks and such make it mandatory everyone exercises at least 15 minutes a day. Make it like Japan does or use to.
"Even sexier than Siggy"
Im all for this... every time I go to the USA it makes me feel so good about myself cause there are so many people fatter than me.
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I don`t know why they dont just make gym memberships and other physical activity memberships tax deductible.
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That's far too progressive in thinking.
I heard health insurance companies are going to increase premiums for ppl over 25% bf!
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Many health insurance companies offer reimbursement for fitness memberships. I get $150/year from my ins company if i log 100 visits /year to the gym (i think its a hundred - i forget) anyway i get the reimbursement before the year is around 1/2-2/3 over.
To the OP topic:
Someday maybe we in the US will realize every attempt the government has made to legislate what is essentially personal choice or morality has failed. Ever as far as drug laws. Id rather see my tax dollars spent elsewhere.
Prohibition didnt stop drinking - the soda law wont/wouldnt have prevent fat asses from drinking 64 oz sodas. I say let natural selection run its course and if we wanna do something about it how about instad of teaching our children useless thing in school they will never use in life - we teach them proper nutrition and personal finance.
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people should be responsible for their own diet and exercise. if they want to be fat then they will and can.. the calories i think are important for awareness but i think banning large sodas is stupid.. its not the govts job to make sure i dont eat too much sugar..
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As Ron Swanson says "The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds, and die of a heart attack at 43, you can. You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful."
Obesity is a huge problem in the USA, I am more concerned about the financial raping this country goes through taking care of these people. There are hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars going towards the medical care for these individuals and it is extremely frustrating knowing that in one way or another I am paying for that. I don't want to pay for that. It is unfair.
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I have a very simple view of it: 1) the government has so completely overreached its constitutional powers that it's obscene and 2) Live your views, don't legislate them.
"Even sexier than Siggy"
Cause they can't focus on anything other than anti-steroid campaigns and starting wars in other countries... Takes up a lot of time.
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Like this?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...-sweet-bailout
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Please dont get me started lol
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Totally agree, is like those people who sue restaurants for making them fat lol, they don't force you to eat a super size...
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That got my blood boiling first thing this morning.
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i do agree, but when the government has to pay for them if they are disabled from obese or on medicare and more health issues, i think government gets a say
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to a point i see ur logic but where do u draw the line? so all of a sudden u want to establish the govt has a vested interest in our healthcare due to the fact that they provide certain services for us and we cost them money?? this somehow enables them to limit our freedom?? i dont think so! and this is a very dangerous can of worms.. upon looking further and deeper this may already be in practice but IMO this type of invasion into our private lives and freedom should not be encouraged.
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But by costing them (gov) money they are costing you money, So other things have to be cut or you have to spend more because of peoples health issues they brought on themselves.
We have alot of freedoms here, but i dont think we are free to do anything especially when it has a direct effect on others. And they arent really limiting your freedoms. Its the size of a cup of soda. You can still order 2 or get a refill. They are not limiting what you can actually have. So your still free to drink 32 oz of mountain dew. You just need 2 cups.
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they are costing me money and they will continue to cost me money there is nothing i can do about how many ounces of soda some fat ass on govt welfare (or whatever it is) wants to drink.. . u basically are proving the point to be futile urself by saying people can just get 2 cups so why would u want to give the govt the power to dictate what we can and cant eat/drink?
u say it isnt limiting our freedom i say u are incorrect because by giving the govt more control of my personal choices it is limiting my freedom. i once had the freedom to choose 32oz of liquid in one cup and now the govt is gaining the power to take that choice away from me. that means my choices are now limited from what they once were. this is also a similar situation to ur position of gun control.. u sure do seem willing to let the govt have a longer reach into our personal liberties.. i dont get it..
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I am all for banning. While I get what people are frowning upon most people dont have self control and their unhealthy lifestyle is driving the cost of my health insurance through the roof. There is no need for 900 calorie sodas or double frappa mocha latter or some shit
They have had calories in NYC for like 4-5 years now. I remember one time I was starving and walked into Nathans and saw what I would be eating was like 1800 cal in total. So I walked out and thats the point of listing the nutritional vlaue
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everything is practically regulated, who can drink alcohol, smoke, drive a car. We are 100% absolutely free.they are costing me money and they will continue to cost me money there is nothing i can do about how many ounces of soda some fat ass on govt welfare (or whatever it is) wants to drink.. . u basically are proving the point to be futile urself by saying people can just get 2 cups so why would u want to give the govt the power to dictate what we can and cant eat/drink?
u say it isnt limiting our freedom i say u are incorrect because by giving the govt more control of my personal choices it is limiting my freedom. i once had the freedom to choose 32oz of liquid in one cup and now the govt is gaining the power to take that choice away from me. that means my choices are now limited from what they once were. this is also a similar situation to ur position of gun control.. u sure do seem willing to let the govt have a longer reach into our personal liberties.. i dont get it..
So yes, if anyone owning a gun is causeing innocent people to die, the government should step in. If someone has no self control on what they put in their mouth and i have to pay for them, i think there should be some regulations. Nobody is saying what you cant do, still drink your soda, but if limits on cups size help who did it really hurt. I lost my freedom to order a 32oz cup. Really? How will life go on
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And THAT is exactly what southern restaurant owners don't want. Outside the major metro areas in the south, most towns are a collection of restaurants, convenience stores and similar services that exist solely to make life slightly more convenient for the employees of only a couple plants. When the plants pull out of an area, people don't move, they go to work for these restaurants and such... So then they are the ENTIRE micro-economy in a given area. Not only that, but in Mississippi, a good chunk of its economy is based on tourists going to the gulf or passing through and the restaurants are a primary way of getting that tourist dollar.
I am not in support of these laws. I am simply responding to this specific post
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so basically they don't want it because they don't want the customers to know they are being served crap?
Alot of areas have high tourest or rely on hospitality industry
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IMO ur missing the point.. the fact i cant order a 32oz soda is not what matters, its the principle behind it. your solution to people not being able to control themselves is allowing the govt to invade our personal liberty and baby sit us with impotent regulations.. it doesnt make any sense..
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i guess we just disagree. IMO your being dramatic , your personal liberty isnt invaded. You can get a refill you can order 2 at the same time. Its not some conspiracy. Hell if the cup mfg stop making 32 oz cups then what would they be stopping your freedom.
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Which is exactly why it is a stupid foolish ridiculous waste of time and money and will accomplish nothing. So rather than waste our time legislating shit that wont change a god damn thing cause fatties will be fatties till they decide not to be, focus on the real ****ing problems we have in this country.
Its like the guy we have prob all worked with at sometime, you know the guy that works harder at looking like he is doing something than if he actually did something. Its like lets focus on stupid
shit that will keep us busy and make it look like we are doing something,meanwhile the country is a total ****ing mess...but hey at least we cant get big sodas anymore.
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as usual we can at least agree to disagree..
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Don't ban the sodas, just tax the hell out of it. And everything fatty. Call it a Tubby Tax and use it for the healthcare plan. If you want to eat sh1t foods you can it's just going to cost you more. I'm not a fan of 500 calorie burritos showing up on a $.99 menu.
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i def agree that there is more important things to work on
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Are you kidding me? Lol sorry came to the thread late
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I think your onto something there but i'm more for making healthy food less expensive for people. I eat a lot so I cost myself a lot which is my choice but many people can't afford to eat healthy period. So I think making healthy food less expensive is the way to go.
Unfortunately idk how to do that.
Last edited by Armykid93; 03-13-2013 at 03:28 PM.
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If you dont want to know the Data, dont read it, not ban it so no one else can either.
Anyone want to burn a few books while they are at it?
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and people that take up two seats in mass transit should have to stand!!!!! lol
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I agree start holding people responsible. How cone i have to pay extra if my suitcase is over weight on a plane. But some fat ass can weigh more then me and my suitcase and take up two seats and pay no extra
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i guess because he is a victim of the devil fast food restaurants and their evil 32oz cups.. he cant help himself.. what do u want him to do?? poor fella..
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Of my 115lb wife has to pay $40 because het suitcase is to heavy. The 275 lb woman should have to pay extrai guess because he is a victim of the devil fast food restaurants and their evil 32oz cups.. he cant help himself.. what do u want him to do?? poor fella..
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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Wow. I see OP's point and i saw, and agree to an extent w/405, Gix and Jimmy. Then i kinda glanced over the last few posts. Sorry.
But i have to say something. Personally, i don't give a rat's ass if nutritional facts are posted or not. I think it's bullshit that anyone try to put a ban on soda! I'm about to go off.
Why doesn't that idiot Mayor(puppet) concentrate on bigger issues? Oh, i can think of several. But since we're on liquids, let's stay there. How about focusing in on bars? You know, those places that serve alcohol till 2 and 3 in the morning. Knowing full well that a majority are driving drunk once leaving. Oh wait, can't do that cause the State makes too much money from those people. To hell w/public safety. We need the money whether it comes from the bar, DUI's, Imprisonment. They need to keep the judges, lawyers, and others in business. Oh, i forgot, the cops too!! They need something to do too. So do the Medics.
Has anyone ever considered the U.S. without alcohol? Well i have. Do you have any clue how many people would be out of jobs? Hundreds of thousands of people would be out of a job if the government concentrated on alcohol like this idiot is concentrating on soda. Which at worst, makes people fat. hahaha...Seriously? What a freakin joke!
I'm about 2 steps from moving over seas.
OK, done w/the rant. And i forgot to mention that the crack down on druggies and dealers is rather lack as well. But then again, how many people(judges, lawyers, CO's, etc) get paid for those illegal "operations." I could name around 15-20 from the time you get arrested, to the time you're released.
OK, now i'm done.
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^^^ pete just saying. We serve alcohol till 5am
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