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    Clomid and tamoxifen less harmful?

    I'm just using raloxifene now and my natty test is 850 which is labeled high on the test. Wouldn't it be wiser to just use these drugs to raise your natural levels over using steroids or is there something I'm missing?

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    I think this is an important topic matter. Where you at vets

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    Why isn't there more discussion about this if people want more testosterone but don't wanna take the next step to gear. Does it not work as well on other people?

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    Personally, I'm not familiar with it. Maybe nobody else is either? What was your level before taking this substance?

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    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.UUfACVdj8Vk

    i believe low-dose clomid is currently being used as an alternative to injected test for treatment of symptomatic andropause. in this study, it seems to suggest that low dose clomid is safe for long-term use in men.

    but the safety of high dose clomid or any dose of nolva and raloxifene is not addressed in this study.

    furthermore, i believe the total test levels for someone on a cycle should be in the 1000s, which is way higher that what can be safely achieved with just serms. therefore, a cycle is still safer and more effective for BBing purposes imo.

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    I was 600 before any cycle. During and post pct I was in the high 800s.I kept using raloxifene after Clomid to treat mild gyno. But after I stopped using Clomid my test levels stayed the same. I'm not talking about for bodybuilders talking about for guys under the age of 25 that have their mind set up that they have to have more testosterone. Or people that are too scared to use gear so they buy prohormone instead and end up damaging themselves much worse. If my testosterone results are related to the serms then I could easily see dosing it so I get ranges in the low 1000s

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    before you continue with your current dose or higher, i hope you can do a search regarding the safety of long-term use in men. off-hand, i can't say for sure that its safe.

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    I'm not going to use them. Was just curious about it tho. Doesn't even have to be used long term. Maybe only 8-12 week cycles like gear. I stopped using raloxifene today and will stop for atleast a month to get new bloodwork

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowblowjoe View Post
    I'm not going to use them. Was just curious about it tho. Doesn't even have to be used long term. Maybe only 8-12 week cycles like gear. I stopped using raloxifene today and will stop for atleast a month to get new bloodwork
    that should be fine. dont forget to check estro too.

    if you have time, read my clomid link. i really like that article.

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    Sounds good.

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    The kind of test elevation possible from using a SERM isn't going to net significant gains. You need grossly elevated test levels (3,000+) to see steroidal gains.

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    Bonaparte yes I didn't think they would net steroidal gains but would sure work a hell of a lot better than tribulas or vitamin d3. Definitely not as beneficial as gear but a step up for kids with low test that don't want to be on trt the rest of their lives. Or even older men who are tired of being on trt. More research could possibly lead kids or men who want higher test but not all the side effects of gear

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    I wouldn't recommend kids get on it unless it was used as a deterrent to gear or prohormones

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    And by kids I mean guys in there early to mid 20s lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowblowjoe
    I'm just using raloxifene now and my natty test is 850 which is labeled high on the test. Wouldn't it be wiser to just use these drugs to raise your natural levels over using steroids or is there something I'm missing?
    I'm interested in what this even is... I'm subscribed to learn more... You have a log posted??? I'd be interested to see some labs

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    Quote Originally Posted by AD
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.UUfACVdj8Vk

    i believe low-dose clomid is currently being used as an alternative to injected test for treatment of symptomatic andropause. in this study, it seems to suggest that low dose clomid is safe for long-term use in men.

    but the safety of high dose clomid or any dose of nolva and raloxifene is not addressed in this study.

    furthermore, i believe the total test levels for someone on a cycle should be in the 1000s, which is way higher that what can be safely achieved with just serms. therefore, a cycle is still safer and more effective for BBing purposes imo.
    Be careful with clomid.... It really messes with my head... I swear I've never been as depressed as I am on clomid. This isn't just me either I've herd many people having these same issues. I use Nolva along with proviron even when off aas. It works great for me and this helps retain muscle mass while off harsh aas.....

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    I don't like Clomid because of the backne it gives me. But even with taking ai and serm I had overly high test levels. I posted my bloodwork do a search here or in the bloodlab forum under "over 12 weeks after cycle" or something along those lines

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    Once I'm off raloxifene for 5 weeks I'll get retested to see my bloodwork. If everything checks out I might consider running raloxifene low dose year round. Depends how I feel in 5 weeks

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