Fairly new at anabolics and i need some advice on my cycle!

[GoHardCore]

Hey guys,
just needed some advice on a 10-12 week cycle of just straight 400mg of Deca with HCG, and Nolva as my PCT.

first off, i know alot of people dont agree with taking just Deca thinking its stupid and pointless, at the same time i hear that its fine but you wont gain as much mass without including test to your Decabol. I am 24 weighing a solid 200lbs at 5'-11", i dont wish to gain 20-30lbs but i do wish to try and reach another solid 10-15 lbs of muscle mass. i was told that deca alone will do that but with great side affects such as loss of sex drive and higher risk of screwing up my natural prodection of testosterone. Will I be fine with this cycle taking proper PCT and should i add in proviron during or after my cycle? also im not sure when to start the PCT or how much to take and for how long. Id really apprectiate your advice on this as well as info on the PCT.

Thanks for your help in advance!

[Bio-Active]

You risk your natty testosterone production with or without test. Deca will shiut down your natty production. If you are not will to use test as a base you should not use aas

[songdog]

1st off quit listening to friends.That is a real good way to end up with bad advice.And worst some serious health problems.Read our stickys they are loaded with tons of info.This way you will know fact from fiction.And all cycles are run with test as a base.1st cycles are test only.And to answer your question about pct.When you shut your system down there is nothing written in stone.That says it will be the same again.Good luck!

[GoHardCore]

You risk your natty testosterone production with or without test. Deca will shiut down your natty production. If you are not will to use test as a base you should not use aas

Maybe i should of worded this a little differently. its not that i dont want to take the test, ive tried to get ahold of it but i just cant. therefore i only have the 2 10ml of Decabol. i would like to know if my goal is achievable using only deca and if my "natty" production does shut down, can going hard on PCT help to develope my natural production back to normal? also as my original question was, should i also take Proviron (mesterolone) during this cycle or as a PCT with the HCG and Nolva?

i understand taking Deca alone is a touchy subject for alot of people but i also read alot of positive comments on it as well.

[Bio-Active]

Running a deca only cycle is a very poor decision that you will regret. There is a ton of info on this site but to answer your question no one on this board will suggest running a cycle with out test as a base. For the record I have never read a positive statement about a deca only cycle

[GoHardCore]

Thank you, your absolutly right, listening to friends is a really bad way to undergo this and thats why im here to get the facts. i will not be starting this cycle for a few months to go, until then i intend to get the proper facts as well as the proper gear. guess that includes getting test as well if i can. thanks again!!

[Capebuffalo]

Oh my....Please do some research> You are about to do some serious damage to yourself.

[fit2bOld]

Please don't do the deca without test and a good AI from the start. Along with HCG and a solid recovery plan (PCT).

[warmouth]

Maybe i should of worded this a little differently. its not that i dont want to take the test, ive tried to get ahold of it but i just cant. therefore i only have the 2 10ml of Decabol. i would like to know if my goal is achievable using only deca and if my "natty" production does shut down, can going hard on PCT help to develope my natural production back to normal? also as my original question was, should i also take Proviron (mesterolone) during this cycle or as a PCT with the HCG and Nolva?

i understand taking Deca alone is a touchy subject for alot of people but i also read alot of positive comments on it as well.

In bold....... I would like to see the positive that you have read, and the follow up to the positives. Deca is not EVER a good idea to run without test. I am a firm believer that if you cant run test, dont run anything. But there is certain compounds that arent as harsh, but it seems that all is dose dependent and that the vast majority of AAS will at least supress your HPTA.

[warmouth]

Please don't do the deca without test and a good AI from the start. Along with HCG and a solid recovery plan (PCT).

OP, this is the advice that you need!

[Bio-Active]

Thank you, your absolutly right, listening to friends is a really bad way to undergo this and thats why im here to get the facts. i will not be starting this cycle for a few months to go, until then i intend to get the proper facts as well as the proper gear. guess that includes getting test as well if i can. thanks again!!

After you have done your research post up your proposed cycle, AI and pct. I would suggest hcg during cycle as well.

[cutting_king]

I don't agree with the people that say if you don't use test you shouldn't be using gear. Statements like that are ridiculous. There are plenty of logs from people running test-free cycles with decent results.

That being said, deca is one compound that i wouldn't run solo. its effects on libido and are well known and will more than likely cause erection problems by week 2-3.

[warmouth]

I don't agree with the people that say if you don't use test you shouldn't be using gear. Statements like that are ridiculous. There are plenty of logs from people running test-free cycles with decent results.

That being said, deca is one compound that i wouldn't run solo. its effects on libido and are well known and will more than likely cause erection problems by week 2-3.

Statement like that are ridiculous? Hmmm. Care to share a reason for this? Goes against pretty much all of the advice given here by senior members and vets. Interesting and I would like to hear your reasoning.......... BTW, welcome back .

[songdog]

I don't agree with the people that say if you don't use test you shouldn't be using gear. Statements like that are ridiculous. There are plenty of logs from people running test-free cycles with decent results.

That being said, deca is one compound that i wouldn't run solo. its effects on libido and are well known and will more than likely cause erection problems by week 2-3.

You say some of the dummest things.Where do you get your info from? Test should be the base to all cycles.Wat else you going to replace your natural test with when yours is shut down? I suggest you refrain from giving advice until you learn something.

[MartyMcFly]

Maybe i should of worded this a little differently. its not that i dont want to take the test, ive tried to get ahold of it but i just cant. therefore i only have the 2 10ml of Decabol. i would like to know if my goal is achievable using only deca and if my "natty" production does shut down, can going hard on PCT help to develope my natural production back to normal? also as my original question was, should i also take Proviron (mesterolone) during this cycle or as a PCT with the HCG and Nolva?

i understand taking Deca alone is a touchy subject for alot of people but i also read alot of positive comments on it as well.

You don't even have enough deca for a cycle. Listen to these guys...they'll steer you right.

[GoHardCore]

thanks again to you all especially you senior and knowledgable members. i understand now that test is a must! i still dont think ill be starting until i do ALOT more research! my last question though is,.... does make sense to eventually cut the AAS out completely once i achieve my goal and maintain it without the cycles, or is that not possible to maintain without them?

hope thats not a stupid question! :s

[Bio-Active]

The whole idea here is to hit your genetic potential before using aas that way when you do use aas you can get beyond your genetic potential.

[songdog]

Just beacuse you run 1 cycle doent mean you have to continue running them.Keeping your gains depends on your pct and your diet.Beacuse if you put on 20lbs you will need to eat more after your cycle to keep it.

[stpete]

haha...What is this decabol you speak of, OP? Don't mention sources, just a little unclear on it. Mgs per ml?

Thanks.

[austinite]

haha...What is this decabol you speak of, OP? Don't mention sources, just a little unclear on it. Mgs per ml?

Thanks.

If it's what I'm thinking, it was discontinued so long ago that I wouldn't inject it. mid-90's or earlier. Just deca.

[stpete]

^^^Yeah, just wondering. We're on same page...

[GoHardCore]

haha...What is this decabol you speak of, OP? Don't mention sources, just a little unclear on it. Mgs per ml?

Thanks.

says DECABOL DEPOT on the cap, 10ml vile 250mg per ml. manufactured 2010 use by date 2015. this "particular" source was discontinued awhile back so this gear i have is a mimic of the original, from what ive read and what i have it looks very legit. others have had the same that i have and claimed it is legit but to my understanding it is not from the original lab.

[GoHardCore]

I know its not Decabol it is DECA i was just going by what was on the cap sorry about that!

[warmouth]

I don't agree with the people that say if you don't use test you shouldn't be using gear. Statements like that are ridiculous. There are plenty of logs from people running test-free cycles with decent results.

That being said, deca is one compound that i wouldn't run solo. its effects on libido and are well known and will more than likely cause erection problems by week 2-3.

Bump for a possible explanation.

[sizzlechest]

With Deca run it for 12. You also need some cabegoline on hand in case of prolactin issues. Most here will tell you to run test with it. It does not have to be 500mg and maybe even 250 mg will work for you if you are young enough. Leave the HCG for PCT and make sure you have PCT. You can do without test. Most people get Deca dick but outside of that you can rund it without if it does not effect you or bother you.

[warmouth]

With Deca run it for 12. You also need some cabegoline on hand in case of prolactin issues. Most here will tell you to run test with it. It does not have to be 500mg and maybe even 250 mg will work for you if you are young enough. Leave the HCG for PCT and make sure you have PCT. You can do without test. Most people get Deca dick but outside of that you can rund it without if it does not effect you or bother you.

What the hell is with members coming back after years of absence and giving crap advice. No dude, you dont run deca without test. That is moronic to even suggest. Thats the cause of "deca dick" and is poor practice and poor advice to give. I would suggest to catch up on the new (and correct) protocols by reading the stickys. Test should be the base of any proper cycle. This is new just common sense to anyone who knows what they are talking about. I do agree that test doesnt need to be ranhigh, but it needs to be ran regardless just to keep test levels in the normal range at least.

[songdog]

With Deca run it for 12. You also need some cabegoline on hand in case of prolactin issues. Most here will tell you to run test with it. It does not have to be 500mg and maybe even 250 mg will work for you if you are young enough. Leave the HCG for PCT and make sure you have PCT. You can do without test. Most people get Deca dick but outside of that you can rund it without if it does not effect you or bother you.

And no you dont run HCG for your pct.Bro you are so far out in right field you aint in the game.

[warmouth]

And no you dont run HCG for your pct.Bro you are so far out in right field you aint in the game.

Thats what Im trying to say. There is so much bad advice in that paragraph. It defeats the purpose of PCT if you use HCG during. Not trying to bash, but this type of advice to a younge guy who has no experience with AAS is not good and I hope he, nor any newb sees that and thinks its ok. Maybe I shouldnt have bumped, but it went from one member form years ago to another. We are all progressing and learning new things daily. This is a good thing, and the "old school" ways are so outdated and so much has changed just in the last few years. We now know that "dbol only" (and the likes)cycles arent a wise choice. Maybe Mickey can post about 40 links here.