Cutting cycle advice/Austinite,Mickey.St Pete,and the likes please give me a hand

[havanakid]

This will be my second cycle guys.First was test cyp/deca/Mast bulk cycle with great results.Now Im looking to put together a cutting cycle and I keep goin back and forth and cant seem to make a decision.Heres what Im thinking Test Prop 125mgs eod,Injectable Winny 50mgs eod,Anavar at 50mgs for the first week and 75 there after.A-dex at .25 eod and pct is back to trt.You guys know me.IM ccareful with what I do and want to keep things as safe and simple as possible.Here are my concerns and questions.First let me give you guys my curent stats--Weight 219-223lbs...Went from 207 since my bulk cycle.Bf should be around 15-16%...I have been upping the cardio bigtime and my work is also nonstop physical walking.Jut want to be as lean as possible for when I begin next month.Yes I will have udca and liv52 for this cycle.So my concerns are these:This is goin to be a 10 week cycle and I would like to lose the least amount of size possible cause I busted my butt eating and lifting right when I bulked and thereafter.Should I run the Winny for the first 5 weeks and the Var for the last 5? Would this be wise as far as starting to cut up with the winny and then use the var for strength,maintenance and for a cutting/lean bulk type of finish to this cycle? Also been hearing a lot about Winstrol and the drying effects on joints so will do glucosamine on cycle if I decide to go this route.Or should I just do a test prop/var cycle with a hell of a lot of cardio?Help me out guys with dosages and ideas please.I did my last cycle with your blessing and I wanna do the same with this one and yes I am getting bloodwork next week.Complete panels to see where am at before I begin.Thanks in advance

[havanakid]

Also HCG 500ius twice a week.

[austinite]

This will be my second cycle guys. First was test cyp/deca/Mast bulk cycle with great results.

Now Im looking to put together a cutting cycle and I keep goin back and forth and cant seem to make a decision. Heres what Im thinking

Test Prop 125mgs eod
Injectable Winny 50mgs eod
Anavar at 50mgs for the first week and 75 there after.
A-dex at .25 eod

pct is back to trt. You guys know me. IM ccareful with what I do and want to keep things as safe and simple as possible. Here are my concerns and questions. First let me give you guys my curent stats--

Weight 219-223lbs...Went from 207 since my bulk cycle.
Bf should be around 15-16%...

I have been upping the cardio big time and my work is also nonstop physical walking. Just want to be as lean as possible for when I begin next month.Yes I will have udca and liv52 for this cycle.

So my concerns are these: This is going to be a 10 week cycle and I would like to lose the least amount of size possible cause I busted my butt eating and lifting right when I bulked and thereafter.

1. Should I run the Winny for the first 5 weeks and the Var for the last 5? Would this be wise as far as starting to cut up with the winny and then use the var for strength, maintenance and for a cutting/lean bulk type of finish to this cycle?

2. Also been hearing a lot about Winstrol and the drying effects on joints so will do glucosamine on cycle if I decide to go this route.

3. Or should I just do a test prop/var cycle with a hell of a lot of cardio?

Help me out guys with dosages and ideas please.I did my last cycle with your blessing and I wanna do the same with this one and yes I am getting bloodwork next week. Complete panels to see where am at before I begin.

Thanks in advance

Phew. That was a workout. Ok... I'll respond shortly after I read this.

[havanakid]

Phew. That was a workout. Ok... I'll respond shortly after I read this.

lol..right? And here I am saying I wanna keep things simple.lmao thanks aust

[austinite]

Week 1 to 8 - Test Prop @ 100mg to 125mg EOD
Week 1 to 8 - hCG @ 250iu twice weekly
Week 1 to 8 - A-dex @ 0.25 EOD
Week 3 to 8 - Winny @ 50 ED or VAR @ 70 ED (if winny, start week 4)
Week 1 to 8 - NAC @ 1200mg ED
Week 1 to 8 - Magnesium @ 1000mg every night.

You're not going to be able to do much cardio towards the end of this cycle, so you need to take as much advantage of your cardio ability during the first 4 to 5 weeks.

[havanakid]

So keep it at 8 weeks not 10 and pick either winstrol or anavar right austinite?

[austinite]

So keep it at 8 weeks not 10 and pick either wintrol or anavar right austinite?

Correct. Ether compound will do what it's supposed to. But remember, winny is more effective visually at lower BF. Var might be a better choice considering your stats.

[havanakid]

Correct. Ether compound will do what it's supposed to. But remember, winny is more effective visually at lower BF. Var might be a better choice considering your stats.

Im inclined to agree and I might just go with the Var and step up to the winstrol on the next cutting cycle.Good call on the NAC.Is this available at any health store? Ive never used it.So no need for UDCA then at all?

[austinite]

Im inclined to agree and I might just go with the Var and step up to the winstrol on the next cutting cycle.Good call on the NAC.Is this available at any health store? Ive never used it.So no need for UDCA then at all?

No need for udca at all. NAC is plenty, cheap and readily available at any general pharmacy, grocer or health store.

[havanakid]

No need for udca at all. NAC is plenty, cheap and readily available at any general pharmacy, grocer or health store.

Is it ok to discontinue the NAC and MAgnesium right after cycle or should I still supplement with these for a little after? Sorry for the bother bro just wanna do this right.

[stpete]

Week 1 to 8 - Test Prop @ 100mg to 125mg EOD150 EOD
Week 1 to 8 - hCG @ 250iu twice weeklyCool
Week 1 to 8 - A-dex @ 0.25 EODYes
Week 3 to 8 - Winny @ 50 ED or VAR @ 70 ED (if winny, start week 4)At those weeks i'd run Winny for sure. If Var, up it to at 80-100. I prefer Winny.
Week 1 to 8 - NAC @ 1200mg ED
Week 1 to 8 - Magnesium @ 1000mg every night.

You're not going to be able to do much cardio towards the end of this cycle, so you need to take as much advantage of your cardio ability during the first 4 to 5 weeks.

Agreed. But it can be done.


Bold. Austin and i are on the same page but i like a little higher dosages.

[austinite]

^ Sure. Why not!

[stpete]

And austin has pissed me off again for changing the AV. hahahahaha....

[havanakid]

And austin has pissed me off again for changing the AV. hahahahaha....

lmao..hey thanks pete for jumping on here you and also austinite thanks guys for helping out us responsible users and giving us sound advise.I might go with the test at 150 eod.I like the high test as well.Lets just see how fat the wallet is when the time comes.One more thing guys.Any other supplements like L-carnitine,d aspartic acid,glutamine etc that you recommend?

[austinite]

And austin has pissed me off again for changing the AV. hahahahaha....

Lol. I'll bring it back soon. Have to leave something for the imagination

[austinite]

lmao..hey thanks pete for jumping on here you and also austinite thanks guys for helping out us responsible users and giving us sound advise.I might go with the test at 150 eod.I like the high test as well.Lets just see how fat the wallet is when the time comes.One more thing guys.Any other supplements like L-carnitine,d aspartic acid,glutamine etc that you recommend?

Sure.

L-Carnitine @ 3000mg ED
L-Cystiene @ 2000mg ED
L-Lysine @ 1000mg ED
Cialis @ 5mg pre-workout

forget glutamine.

[stpete]

Sure.

L-Carnitine @ 3000mg ED
L-Cystiene @ 2000mg ED
L-Lysine @ 1000mg ED
Cialis @ 5mg pre-workout

forget glutamine.

This is great but i also like creatine.

I'm done w/imagination. Too old for that shit Austin. hahahaha.......

[austinite]

This is great but i also like creatine.

I'm done w/imagination. Too old for that shit Austin. hahahaha.......

That;s it. No more test for you!

[havanakid]

Sure.

L-Carnitine @ 3000mg ED
L-Cystiene @ 2000mg ED
L-Lysine @ 1000mg ED
Cialis @ 5mg pre-workout

forget glutamine.

Sounds good Aust thanks brother.Its not gonna be a cheap cycle thats for sure...then again there is no such thing.lol

[austinite]

Sounds good Aust thanks brother.Its not gonna be a cheap cycle thats for sure...then again there is no such thing.lol

Never is

But hey, cutting is far cheaper than bulking at the grocery store

[havanakid]

This is great but i also like creatine.

I'm done w/imagination. Too old for that shit Austin. hahahaha.......

Even on a cutting cycle Pete? Monohydrate perhaps?

[austinite]

I'd be very careful where your carbs are coming from. If you do shakes, I say stick with water or egg whites instead of milk. Avoid any carbs from lactose/fructose or dextrose. Read the labels.

[havanakid]

Never is

But hey, cutting is far cheaper than bulking at the grocery store

Oh you got that right.Fresh and Easy every week is not cheap man but one thing about bulking though its fun when you like to eat.I cant wait for my next bulk probably october.The dollars most def disappear fast.

[havanakid]

I'd be very careful where your carbs are coming from. If you do shakes, I say stick with water or egg whites instead of milk. Avoid any carbs from lactose/fructose or dextrose. Read the labels.

Yeah for sure.Water all the way.I usually do Optimum Nutrition Pro complex shakes and I down 3 a day on average..was doing 5 on bulk along with a looot of turkey and chicken breast.My diet will basically be the same as my bulk but cut in half pretty much.

[stpete]

That;s it. No more test for you!

haha...I know. I was just telling a friend via PM about this. It's killing me.

Even on a cutting cycle Pete? Monohydrate perhaps?

Mono is all i use. I but the Vtamin Shoppe's brand. good stuff. I'd use 5gms pre workout but if it bloats you too much, don't. up to you. Watch your sodium. Not table salt, sodium in your food. You probably do already though. Just a friendly reminder.

[havanakid]

Thanks again gentlemen for all your help.StPete Im gonna buy you a porterhouse steak and Austinite a chocolate tuxedo cheesecake.=)

[havanakid]

haha...I know. I was just telling a friend via PM about this. It's killing me.



Mono is all i use. I but the Vtamin Shoppe's brand. good stuff. I'd use 5gms pre workout but if it bloats you too much, don't. up to you. Watch your sodium. Not table salt, sodium in your food. You probably do already though. Just a friendly reminder.

For sure my man no doubt.That sodium is a killer.I never touch the salt shaker when I eat out either.Thanks brother

[stpete]

You got it, buddy. I like my steak bloody as hell. And i really have no idea about that cheesecake for austin but i'm sure it's good as long as DSM doesn't have anything to do w/it. hahahahahahahahahaha......I couldn't resist. I love DSM and he knows it. I just tease. Sounds a little kinky though...

[Lunk1]

Consider that both Var and Winny, injectable or ingestable must survive 2nd pass through the liver. This is why I would not run them together.

I would stick with the Prop/Var and I like Petes dosage suggestion alot. Remember Var can aid a bit in fat loss as well, that along with the joint pain I feel on Winny makes Var my choice.

[MickeyKnox]

Nothing to add here. I guess i'm a late comer, story of my life.