To roid or not to roid? [New Guy]

[TheRunner]

Ok so this is a repost since I placed it in the wrong section(intros)
I'm new here and I've never tried steroids before.
About myself. I'm 26, 5'11, 160 lbs and just getting back into the gym.
The highest I've ever been was 175lbs and that's when I worked out 3 days a week last year and
forcing myself to eat a lot(even past midnight).
So my question is this time, should I take the short cut and roid up? or or do it the old way
with lots of eating 1gallon of milk and 3 day workouts? My goal is to reach 200lbs this year.
Reason? I'm tired of being skinny and weak. So share all advice roid brothers.

Update:
So I went ahead and clicked the link with the free bottle offer you get for registering on this site.
I ended up ordering the following from buysteroids site. They're suppose to make you bulk but I'd like advice on using it all though?
Test 600x: 1
Test 600x: 1
Tren 75: 1
Tren 75: 1
Deca 200: 1
Deca 200: 1
D-anabol 25: 1
D-anabol 25: 1

[austinite]

Welcome to the forums Runner!

Have you had your diet evaluated by a professional? If not, check the nutrition section for critique.

The supplements you purchased will help you if your diet is on point. Just be sure to follow the instructions on the bottle, but spend some time in the nutrition section and read the bulking stickies so that you learn how to eat.

Best of luck!

[TheRunner]

Thanks for responding austinite, no I haven't had my diet evaluated.. To be honest never had I usually eat a whatever's microwaveable in 2 minutes or less. Can you link me to what I need to know to get good results?

[auswest]

Ok so this is a repost since I placed it in the wrong section(intros)
I'm new here and I've never tried steroids before.
About myself. I'm 26, 5'11, 160 lbs and just getting back into the gym.
The highest I've ever been was 175lbs and that's when I worked out 3 days a week last year and
forcing myself to eat a lot(even past midnight).
So my question is this time, should I take the short cut and roid up? or or do it the old way
with lots of eating 1gallon of milk and 3 day workouts? My goal is to reach 200lbs this year.
Reason? I'm tired of being skinny and weak. So share all advice roid brothers.

Update:
So I went ahead and clicked the link with the free bottle offer you get for registering on this site.
I ended up ordering the following from buysteroids site. They're suppose to make you bulk but I'd like advice on using it all though?
Test 600x: 1
Test 600x: 1
Tren 75: 1
Tren 75: 1
Deca 200: 1
Deca 200: 1
D-anabol 25: 1
D-anabol 25: 1

People who use steroids believing they are a short cut, will soon be dissapointed.
If you do not have the commitment or knowledge to do it naturally. Then you can say good bye to any progress made on cycle.
You will actually find yourself in a worse position than when you started.. Seriously

Eating right is not about stuffing your face with food. You need to be consuming the right calories made up of the correct macro nutrients.
Visit the diet section and get that under control.

Then stick to dieting and training consistently for a few years, then you will be in a much better position to make this desision..

Going from 160lb to 200lb (with lean muscle) is rediculous and in many cases this is someone's life time goal..not a 8 month goal, get real

[austinite]

Thanks for responding austinite, no I haven't had my diet evaluated.. To be honest never had I usually eat a whatever's microwaveable in 2 minutes or less. Can you link me to what I need to know to get good results?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ean-Bulking***

[TheRunner]

Thanks for the response auswest. I do agree with you on consuming the right calories so thats my next step to get my diet right. I'll look at the link austinite provided and go from there. As far as 200lbs being achievable in 8 months I'd like to believe so. I did go from 130 to 175lbs in 6 months my first try with not too much body fat. So you never know with a little hard work these stuff and right diet I might just surprise you. I'll digest what I'm lacking over the weekend and then go grocery shopping. Come Monday I'll start just regular workouts to get back to 175lbs first before trying anything.

[auswest]

Thanks for the response auswest. I do agree with you on consuming the right calories so thats my next step to get my diet right. I'll look at the link austinite provided and go from there. As far as 200lbs being achievable in 8 months I'd like to believe so. I did go from 130 to 175lbs in 6 months my first try with not too much body fat. So you never know with a little hard work these stuff and right diet I might just surprise you. I'll digest what I'm lacking over the weekend and then go grocery shopping. Come Monday I'll start just regular workouts to get back to 175lbs first before trying anything.

Good stuff, glad to hear! Keep us updated.

[stpete]

Thanks for the response auswest. I do agree with you on consuming the right calories so thats my next step to get my diet right. I'll look at the link austinite provided and go from there. As far as 200lbs being achievable in 8 months I'd like to believe so. I did go from 130 to 175lbs in 6 months my first try with not too much body fat. So you never know with a little hard work these stuff and right diet I might just surprise you. I'll digest what I'm lacking over the weekend and then go grocery shopping. Come Monday I'll start just regular workouts to get back to 175lbs first before trying anything.

Nice to hear! And if i might add, it's all for not if you don't have the basics down. Food is your best friend or maybe enemy.

[TheRunner]

I will austwest and nice back stpete.. thats like twice as mine. Ok so I'm looking over gbrice75 nutrition Diet 101 thread and the question that pops up in my head is how do you measure the food? His sample preworkout meal for example
5am (preworkout): 45g protein, 85g carbs, 8g fat
How do I figure out whats 8grams of fat? 45g of protein? and 85 grams of carbs?
I mean this is food right?

Edit:
So I looked up a weight gain goal calculator and entered my stats
It says I'll need 2644 calories per day to reach my 40lbs goal in 8 months.
So that I have this down how do I count calories? to know what to eat? plus I don't want this weight
gain to be just fat.

[TheRunner]

I'm thinking I should get a colon cleanser before I start taking in that high amount of calories.

[Honkey_Kong]

I will austwest and nice back stpete.. thats like twice as mine. Ok so I'm looking over gbrice75 nutrition Diet 101 thread and the question that pops up in my head is how do you measure the food? His sample preworkout meal for example
5am (preworkout): 45g protein, 85g carbs, 8g fat
How do I figure out whats 8grams of fat? 45g of protein? and 85 grams of carbs?
I mean this is food right?

Edit:
So I looked up a weight gain goal calculator and entered my stats
It says I'll need 2644 calories per day to reach my 40lbs goal in 8 months.
So that I have this down how do I count calories? to know what to eat? plus I don't want this weight
gain to be just fat.

You can get a dietary scale and use measuring cups. Usually, when you buy a pound of chicken breasts from the butcher, you're getting a pound of chicken. you can google nutritional information of various whole foods.

Basically first thing you should do is figure out what you're eating RIGHT NOW to figure out what your normal is. That is take a log of everything you eat throughout the day and write down the times and portion sizes. Include any drink other than water as well. I find it's better to make modifications to what you're currently doing rather than just jump in to a new diet all together. And for a newbie, little steps make big differences in gains.

What's your current bodyfat percentage?

Next thing Runner, you need to make up realistic goals. What do you want to accomplish in the next year? 6 months? 3 months? month? next two weeks? Setting up small goals that build in to bigger goals is really the best way to maximize progress.

[TheRunner]

You can get a dietary scale and use measuring cups. Usually, when you buy a pound of chicken breasts from the butcher, you're getting a pound of chicken. you can google nutritional information of various whole foods.

Basically first thing you should do is figure out what you're eating RIGHT NOW to figure out what your normal is. That is take a log of everything you eat throughout the day and write down the times and portion sizes. Include any drink other than water as well. I find it's better to make modifications to what you're currently doing rather than just jump in to a new diet all together. And for a newbie, little steps make big differences in gains.

What's your current bodyfat percentage?

Next thing Runner, you need to make up realistic goals. What do you want to accomplish in the next year? 6 months? 3 months? month? next two weeks? Setting up small goals that build in to bigger goals is really the best way to maximize progress.

Thanks for the reply Honkey_Kong I'm at 14 percent body fat right now.. I can barely see my abs (just 4 pack). What do you mean by realistic goals? My year end goal for this year is to gain 40lbs. Next year I'll work on becoming more lean since I'll have obtained my goal. I have a calendar on my room wall where I've written down my bi weekly goals. Since I have 8 months to reach my goal I've set my monthly goal at 5lbs and bi weekly goal at 2.5lbs so I'll need to gain 1.25lbs a week. That seems doable doesn't it? The only drinks I drink other than water(starting today) is whole milk. My meals consist of eggs and sausage for breakfast, lunch microwaved food like burritos or pizza(I know not healthy) and dinner I usually eat chicken wings, pork chops and rice, or beef stew and potatoes. I'm not sure if I'll be able to stop and measure everything I eat every morning so I take it I should prepare my meals days in advance?

Edit:
So I looked up dietary scales and it looks interesting, they measure the nutritional value of what food you place on the scale.
Do body builders actually use this though? If so which would you recommend? I found this Nutri-Weigh Dietary Computer Scale Model 1450

[Honkey_Kong]

Thanks for the reply Honkey_Kong I'm at 14 percent body fat right now.. I can barely see my abs (just 4 pack). What do you mean by realistic goals? My year end goal for this year is to gain 40lbs. Next year I'll work on becoming more lean since I'll have obtained my goal. I have a calendar on my room wall where I've written down my bi weekly goals. Since I have 8 months to reach my goal I've set my monthly goal at 5lbs and bi weekly goal at 2.5lbs so I'll need to gain 1.25lbs a week. That seems doable doesn't it? The only drinks I drink other than water(starting today) is whole milk. My meals consist of eggs and sausage for breakfast, lunch microwaved food like burritos or pizza(I know not healthy) and dinner I usually eat chicken wings, pork chops and rice, or beef stew and potatoes. I'm not sure if I'll be able to stop and measure everything I eat every morning so I take it I should prepare my meals days in advance?

Edit:
So I looked up dietary scales and it looks interesting, they measure the nutritional value of what food you place on the scale.
Do body builders actually use this though? If so which would you recommend? I found this Nutri-Weigh Dietary Computer Scale Model 1450

40lbs in a single year is a lot of muscle to put on. I'd even say it's nearly impossible to put on naturally. I read an article on livestrong.com that said you can only put 1oz of muscle on per day supposing diet is perfect, training is perfect and you have good genetics. That only comes out to being 23lbs a year and that's already supposing everything is perfect.

At your weight and training experience, you got a few years before you should even consider running a cycle. So, I would aim for 15-20lbs of gains this year. It doesn't sound like a lot, but trust me if you put 20lbs of muscle on in a year, you had a great year.

As far as your meals go, write down the size of each item you consume and the times you consume it at. And try to use google to look up the macros for anything that you cant tell offhand the nutritional facts of.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/38...ain-naturally/

[lovbyts]

Thanks for the response auswest. I do agree with you on consuming the right calories so thats my next step to get my diet right. I'll look at the link austinite provided and go from there. As far as 200lbs being achievable in 8 months I'd like to believe so. I did go from 130 to 175lbs in 6 months my first try with not too much body fat. So you never know with a little hard work these stuff and right diet I might just surprise you. I'll digest what I'm lacking over the weekend and then go grocery shopping. Come Monday I'll start just regular workouts to get back to 175lbs first before trying anything.

I think if most people could do that there would be no need for aas. Just keep doing what you have been doing and in another year or two you should be up to where you should be.

[Honkey_Kong]

I think if most people could do that there would be no need for aas. Just keep doing what you have been doing and in another year or two you should be up to where you should be.

Yeah, if people could grow 45lbs of lean muscle every 6 months naturally, we'd all be making the top tier of professional bodybuilders look like little underdeveloped children within a few years.

[TheRunner]

I think if most people could do that there would be no need for aas. Just keep doing what you have been doing and in another year or two you should be up to where you should be.

Thanks for the link Honkey_Kong I'm still a noob to all this dieting stuff. Is it impossible to gain that much weight though? and lovbyts to tell the truth I only gained that much weight from over eating and working out 4 days a week. I never left the gym until I made sure my whole body was sore and sweating. I would run 30 minutes then work out 30. After that rush home and eat. Plus I was very skinny..er so my body took in the weight, the only bad side effect was I got a lot of stretch marks on my arms and knee area from it. Creatine also helped. You can say its water retention but I did notice great strength gains since my starting bench was just 140 pounds and I took it to 200 within that time. Right now though I don't expect all the weight I gain to be pure muscle but if I can get the majority of it to be muscle that would be a success in my book. I went ahead and purchased a caloric scale for my food like suggested what I now need help in is getting the right diet plan laid out and the times to eat to reach my goal. If you or anyone else can help with that I'd appreciate it.

[BBJT200]

"I never left the gym until I made sure my whole body was sore and sweating. I would run 30 minutes then work out 30."
This is going to be extremely ineffective if your goals are weight gain. This is a good protocol for overall health, and functional strength, but not mass gain.

Each day you go into the gym, you should be focusing a different group of muscles. For example:
Monday: Chest/triceps
Tuesday: Legs, Abs
Wednesday - off
Thursday: Shoulders, Calves, Abs
Friday: Back, Biceps

Wear each group of muscles completely down, once a week. The rest of the week, let those muscles repair and GROW. Growth comes when you are resting, not when you are at the gym.
Cardio is the enemy when you are trying to gain--especially running.
If you wanted to lift for 45 mins, then do low intensity cardio like 3mph walk for 30 mins, that would help keep fat gain down. But by running at the beginning of your workout, you are depleting needed glycogen stores (the fuel your muscles use to perform actions) and severely limiting the amount of work you can do with weights.

Get into the habit of having a postworkout shake. 50g protein, 50g dextrose (a form of sugar), and 50g maltodextrin or a complex carb source. For the sake of convenience, I use oats and mix it in my blender/food processor at home.
Post workout, you want an insulin spike and fast digesting foods as your body is primed to take in nutrients for repair.

[Honkey_Kong]

The shake is good for post workout, but don't get in to the mode where you're using shakes instead of food. Nothing beats real wholefoods.