Tren cycle (Bulking). Some random questions.

[Thrakmar]

Hey guys,

I just finished reading Atomini's Tren thread along with all replies and have learned a great deal, he truly knows his stuff! I was planning to post this there but when I finally went to do so I realised it was closed...

This will be my second cycle, I actually ran tren for my first, despite the forum advising against it. I made some mistakes but I also made some terrific gains. Overall a good learning experience.

The cycle I have planned:
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wk 1-8: 25mg Prop eod (100mg/w)
wk 1-8: 75mg Tren A eod (300mg/w)
wk 1-8: 1mg caber/wk
Starting PCT 3 days after final pin. (nolva 40/40/20/20)
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If I suffer heavy sides I'll switch to ED pins. I figure I won't need an AI as my test dose is low, but I have A-dex on hand if needed. Opinions welcome

I have a few random (possibly silly) questions which were not answered in Atomini's Tren thread:

1. Is there any downside/upside to starting PCT straight after the final pin? (other than wasting product)

2. Atomini is a firm believer in doing low test (100mg/w) with high Tren. Would there be much difference between 100mg and say 300mg a week?

3. I realise everyone reacts differently, but does anyone have any personal experience doing both 300mg and 400mg Tren? How much worse are the sides with a higher dose and did it yield far greater results?

4. I suffered pretty bad trensomnia last cycle and am expecting it this cycle. Last time I was taking Xanax on the nights I spent tossing and turning, but I'm now aware it prevents N3 and REM sleep in most cases, making it truly damaging to gains and emotions. I've read Temazepam is good for sleep but I can't find any information regarding interaction with Tren... Any help at all on this would be greatly appreciated.

5. This final question would be better asked in the nutrition forum, but I'll ask it here just in case someone has some important insight. I love milk and can drink it by the gallon. It's got plenty of protein and calories, making it in my mind very useful for bulking. Is there any down side to drinking 2L+ of lite milk a day?




Any and all insight/advice is greatly appreciated.

[qscgugcsq]

I'm not a vet however that's what I know.

1: If you start after your last pin nolvadex will lower the benefit of that last pin and won't help your endocrine system because their is too much androgen in your blood. But if you extend your pct for 3-4 days I don't think it will do any difference(for the recovery)

2: Low test/high tren because if E2 is in check it is lot easier to control 19nor side. tren is 5x more potent than test so, 100mg test + 300mg tren = 1 600mg test/weeks. That's plenty. and 100mg is close to the physiological amount so E2 shouldnt be hard to control. at 300mg your E2 will go up with the side. Does it worth it to have 1800mg worth of test instead of 1600mg...

3 and 4. I can't help with that sry.

5. Almost everyone have some lactose intolerance to different degree. If you are fine with 2L+/day I don't see any problem with that. As long as it's skim milk. Even 1% have trans fat and 2L/day is quite a lot.

Good luck

[OnTheSauce]

tren is 5x more potent than test so, 100mg test + 300mg tren = 1 600mg test/weeks. That's plenty. and 100mg is close to the physiological amount so E2 shouldnt be hard to control. at 300mg your E2 will go up with the side. Does it worth it to have 1800mg worth of test instead of 1600mg...

Although Tren is 5x more anabolic and 5x more androgenic, it doesn't exactly work like that.


To the OP, I have used Tren with 350mg test and had no sides. The higher the test, the more sides I got. If your body can function normally on 100, go for it. I think a trt dose around 200 is more appropriate though. Currently im using 700 Tren with 210 test

[kelkel]

Hey guys,

I just finished reading Atomini's Tren thread along with all replies and have learned a great deal, he truly knows his stuff! I was planning to post this there but when I finally went to do so I realised it was closed...

This will be my second cycle, I actually ran tren for my first, despite the forum advising against it. I made some mistakes but I also made some terrific gains. Overall a good learning experience.

The cycle I have planned:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
wk 1-8: 25mg Prop eod (100mg/w)
wk 1-8: 75mg Tren A eod (300mg/w)
wk 1-8: 1mg caber/wk
Starting PCT 3 days after final pin. (nolva 40/40/20/20)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
If I suffer heavy sides I'll switch to ED pins. I figure I won't need an AI as my test dose is low, but I have A-dex on hand if needed. Opinions welcome Good

I have a few random (possibly silly) questions which were not answered in Atomini's Tren thread:

1. Is there any downside/upside to starting PCT straight after the final pin? (other than wasting product)Really no need to and you answered your own question.

2. Atomini is a firm believer in doing low test (100mg/w) with high Tren. Would there be much difference between 100mg and say 300mg a week?A 200mg difference with a definite need for an AI. You may (emphasis on may) even need it at 100. Some do but most just don't pull BW

3. I realise everyone reacts differently, but does anyone have any personal experience doing both 300mg and 400mg Tren? How much worse are the sides with a higher dose and did it yield far greater results?Only you can answer that

4. I suffered pretty bad trensomnia last cycle and am expecting it this cycle. Last time I was taking Xanax on the nights I spent tossing and turning, but I'm now aware it prevents N3 and REM sleep in most cases, making it truly damaging to gains and emotions. I've read Temazepam is good for sleep but I can't find any information regarding interaction with Tren... Any help at all on this would be greatly appreciated.Sides are different for us all. Melatonin?

5. This final question would be better asked in the nutrition forum, but I'll ask it here just in case someone has some important insight. I love milk and can drink it by the gallon. It's got plenty of protein and calories, making it in my mind very useful for bulking. Is there any down side to drinking 2L+ of lite milk a day?




Any and all insight/advice is greatly appreciated.

Above in bold. Are you planning on running HCG throughout this cycle as well? I doubt you need 1mg caber per week. I'd bet you can get by with .25 x 2 or 3 at the most. Save your product.

I'd also suggest just doing a test only cycle since you seemed to skip over that initially. Maybe 500 + per week along with proper ancillaries. I bet you'd make great gains.

[Thrakmar]

Above in bold. Are you planning on running HCG throughout this cycle as well? I doubt you need 1mg caber per week. I'd bet you can get by with .25 x 2 or 3 at the most. Save your product.

I'd also suggest just doing a test only cycle since you seemed to skip over that initially. Maybe 500 + per week along with proper ancillaries. I bet you'd make great gains.

I've done a Dbol/Deca/Test cycle, good gains.

Concidering Tren has x5 the potency of Test, would doing 600mg Test give the same results as 100/100 Test/Tren?

Thank you everyone for your input. Much appreciated

EDIT: I was planning an 8 week cycle with the Tren, if I did a prop only cycle would you still recommend 8 weeks?