is arimidex needed while pinning hcg?

[txheadshaver]

Hello. Just to make sure I am not throwing my levels off, is arimidex needed / should it be taken while pinning hcg?

[LowT Mike]

Hello. Just to make sure I am not throwing my levels off, is arimidex needed / should it be taken while pinning hcg?

HCG primary use while on TRT is to keep testicular function present (maintain spermogenisis, natural production of testosterone and testicular size). Arimidex or anastrozole use is to keep estradiol levels controlled. So yes. Both medications have there special purpose. You dont want elevated estradiol. high levels can lead to gynocomastia and affect libedo. Too low of levels can effect brain and heart health. The idea of TRT is to optimize testosterone and control estradiol. Hope this helps.

If you are doing HCG only treatment. You can still elevate estradiol. High doses of HCG can trigger aromatase and elevate estradiol. Its a must for you and your doctor to monitor E2 levels while on TRT


Michael Brookins, Board Certified Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine
Chief Clinical Advisor, LowTestostrone.com

[EverettCD]

Low T Mike,

What do you consider to be too high of a dose for HCG?

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[Rusty11]

I did my own bw 3 weeks after I began with hCG. It raised my T level a couple hundred points, so I dropped my daily T dose. So, bw after a couple of weeks is the only way you will know what it's doing.

[powerlifterty16]

low t mike not to hijack but you could checkout my thread..im about to pin hcg as well..although my doctor isnt concerned about aromoitase unfortunately.
im sure if i ask though he will check my estradiol after my 6 weeks of therapy.

[LowT Mike]

You never need more than 500IU per day. Theories of causing Leydig cell desensitization to LH using doses over 500IU. You can render someone Primary hypo when trying to treat secondary. Not good! With all that said just keep the science easy, think about it...you only have so many Leydig cell receptors. 500IU saturates all receptors. Anything over that you are wasting your HCG and $$. Average doses are 250-500IU 2x per week. Its not one size fits all either. Some guys respond to 250IU 3x per week. Find a protocol thats fits you best. As barbaric as its sounds...stagging testiclular size is the best way to grade effectiveness. Average testical size 2.5-5.0cm. Get a measurement before treatment and find an HCG protocol thats easy for you to be compliant with.

Michael Brookins, Board Certified Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine
Chief Clinical Advisor, LowTestostrone.com

[LowT Mike]

powerlifterty16. You should always check estradiol. 6weeks into therapy is the perfect time to check it. The whole idea of TRT is optimizing testosterone while controlling estradiol. Sadly most doctors even endocrinologist dont check for estradiol. Its up to you to be proactive an insist on having your E2 levels check routinely. I wouldnt worry too much about HCG increasing estradiol with 250-500IU per day 2-3x per week. At that dose the higher estradiol most likely wont be because of the HCG and aromatase is easily controlled with anastrozole. Generally TRT guidelines say estradiol levels should be kept between 20-30pgml. Too high=gyno/low libedo. Too low=no bueno for heart and brain health.

Michael Brookins, Board Certified Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine
Chief Clinical Advisor, LowTestostrone.com

[austinite]

Great coverage, Mike. Thanks.

[powerlifterty16]

thanks! my doc checked my e2 for a baseline and it was 9 o na scale of 7-42...wasnt sensitive though. He is not giving an ai with my hcg, but he is testing ym values in 6 weeks, and ill ask for e2 to be included...hopefully i dont gain much e2....i just called his office to ask what dose per day ill be getting of hcg..im hoping it's 250-400 iu 3x per week

powerlifterty16. You should always check estradiol. 6weeks into therapy is the perfect time to check it. The whole idea of TRT is optimizing testosterone while controlling estradiol. Sadly most doctors even endocrinologist dont check for estradiol. Its up to you to be proactive an insist on having your E2 levels check routinely. I wouldnt worry too much about HCG increasing estradiol with 250-500IU per day 2-3x per week. At that dose the higher estradiol most likely wont be because of the HCG and aromatase is easily controlled with anastrozole. Generally TRT guidelines say estradiol levels should be kept between 20-30pgml. Too high=gyno/low libedo. Too low=no bueno for heart and brain health.

Michael Brookins, Board Certified Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine
Chief Clinical Advisor, LowTestostrone.com

[dreadnok89]

i always here problems with arimidex. what about exestamane? i read it was not as strong

[LowT Mike]

anastrozole is the safest and gold standard E2 blocker. not only does it block but it reduces.

[powerlifterty16]

i've heard aromasin is safer lipid wise and has no rebound

[Ryanmcd]

any diff doing 100 HCG daily? I would rather do less shots to be honest and 250x3 = 750 vs 100x7.

[2Sox]

Need to remove and repost correctly. Aplogies.

[2Sox]

You never need more than 500IU per day. Theories of causing Leydig cell desensitization to LH using doses over 500IU. You can render someone Primary hypo when trying to treat secondary. Not good! With all that said just keep the science easy, think about it...you only have so many Leydig cell receptors. 500IU saturates all receptors. Anything over that you are wasting your HCG and $$. Average doses are 250-500IU 2x per week. Its not one size fits all either. Some guys respond to 250IU 3x per week. Find a protocol thats fits you best. As barbaric as its sounds...stagging testiclular size is the best way to grade effectiveness. Average testical size 2.5-5.0cm. Get a measurement before treatment and find an HCG protocol thats easy for you to be compliant with.

Michael Brookins, Board Certified Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine
Chief Clinical Advisor, LowTestostrone.com

Mike,

I started doing 250 iu E3D then went to 250iu EOD. I responded fairly soon but I wanted to get my libido up a little more along with TT. So I just started 150iu ED and also increased to 3 pumps of Androgel a day. I felt the change after the second day. Much more energy and increased libido - and I'm 65. I'm also on .25mg anastrozole every 3 or 4 days - and this makes a big difference. In fact my body tell me exactly when I need that pill! My former PA said I was an "E converter" Anyway, bottom line this seems to work for me and I'll stay on it.

My main question is this: Can I do this protocol safely until I die? :-)

[ZenFitness]

Hey 2Sox, how do you feel when you need the anastrozole? Just curious as I'm cutting it until next bloodwork as I think my E2 is in the toilet.

[2Sox]

Hey 2Sox, how do you feel when you need the anastrozole? Just curious as I'm cutting it until next bloodwork as I think my E2 is in the toilet.

Basically I start getting less energetic - draggy - and less sharp minded. Like a little fuzzy.

[2Sox]

I did my own bw 3 weeks after I began with hCG. It raised my T level a couple hundred points, so I dropped my daily T dose. So, bw after a couple of weeks is the only way you will know what it's doing.

Rusty,
What dose did you pin to raise your levels that high?