Vascularity

[BluPhin]

I consider vascularity to be a desirable aesthetic characteristic of weight lifting. Unfortunately, I have not been endowed with the hydraulic hose look that some of my weight room friends have. It seems that vascularity is primarily a function of genetics and secondarily a function of bf% and beyond that I'm not sure. Since I cannot alter my genetic composition, I am left to optimize vascularity through bf%. I am currently at 15%bf, but even when I was as low as 12%bf I did not exhibit significant vascularity.

My question is, are there supplements that can optimize vascularity? And, what bf% is considered a reasonable target to achieve noticable vascularity?

[austinite]

Yes, increasing your nitric oxide levels will help. L-Arginine, L-Citrulline, etc... Check the thread on Amino Acids, tons of info there.

[BluPhin]

I have heard that some guys get great pumps by taking cialis prior to workout. Does cialis increase nitric oxide levels?

[austinite]

I have heard that some guys get great pumps by taking cialis prior to workout. Does cialis increase nitric oxide levels?

Yes, it certainly does increase N.O. levels.

[BluPhin]

Thats good news. I am putting together a new supplement regimen to start after my pct. Based on your supplement thread of recommendations and dosages, I am taking cialis, citrulline, dhea, pregnenolone, creatine, maybe some others as things progress.

[austinite]

47 years old, have you had any blood work done BluPhin?

[BluPhin]

yes, back in january

[austinite]

Test levels OK?

[Perseverance1]

Take 10mg cialis pre workout and you will see a significant increase in vascularity once you get to sub 12% bf.

Also, being that you're in your late 40's...you probably would benefit from taking an additional 10mg 8-12 hours before or after you take your pre workout dose.

As a 24 year old 10mg is enough to give me random boners all day long so I don't try more than 10mg a day total...

Let us know how it worked out for you.

[austinite]

Take 10mg cialis pre workout and you will see a significant increase in vascularity once you get to sub 12% bf.

Also, being that you're in your late 40's...you probably would benefit from taking an additional 10mg 8-12 hours before or after you take your pre workout dose.

As a 24 year old 10mg is enough to give me random boners all day long so I don't try more than 10mg a day total...

Let us know how it worked out for you.

Let me make sure my math is correct. You are suggesting 20mg of cialis per day for him?

[Brazensol]

I have been taking low dose cialis for about 4 months now. Even though I am still over 25% bf I am noticing veins in my arms and shoulders. This is not something I've seen before unless I have been sub ~18% so I can only attribute it to the cialis. I have just started some additional NO sups so I expect to see more vascularity as time goes by.

[austinite]

I have been taking low dose cialis for about 4 months now. Even though I am still over 25% bf I am noticing veins in my arms and shoulders. This is not something I've seen before unless I have been sub ~18% so I can only attribute it to the cialis. I have just started some additional NO sups so I expect to see more vascularity as time goes by.

Yep. Higher NO levels will yield vascularty in your leaner parts. Your arms must be fairly lean. Good work. What's your dose?

[Perseverance1]

Let me make sure my math is correct. You are suggesting 20mg of cialis per day for him?

Yup, basically a full dose vs the half dose many of us take.

[Perseverance1]

Yep. Higher NO levels will yield vascularty in your leaner parts. Your arms must be fairly lean. Good work. What's your dose?

Seriously, holy shit! I'm at 12% and just noticing it in my forearms and halfway up through my bicep....I guess I just don't really have much muscle mass lol.

Maybe ill look better in 1-2 more months.

[BluPhin]

Test levels OK?

Test levels were relatively low prior to first test cycle: 358 and 10.7

[austinite]

Ok. Well, I prefer that you don't use cialis solely for the purpose of vascularity. It certainly has much more benefit and 20mg daily is not necessary at all. A lower dose coupled with the right amino acids will do you well. Nothing beats lower BF though.

[Rusty11]

No no no. Do not take a daily cialis dose of 20 mg!! 5-10mg/day of cialis + L-arganine/citrulline and veins will start popping in places never before seen. Oh, I'm 51 and not sub 12% bf.

[Perseverance1]

Ok. Well, I prefer that you don't use cialis solely for the purpose of vascularity. It certainly has much more benefit and 20mg daily is not necessary at all. A lower dose coupled with the right amino acids will do you well. Nothing beats lower BF though.

Which aminos would you recommend and at what dosages/timing?

I gotta take progress pics and send to a female "friend" of mine...wouldn't mind a bit more vascularity lol.

Also, I figured a guy in his late 40's would likely benefit from cialis's "primary" use, hence the 20mg recommendation. Not to mention better BP and of course the vascularity aspects to it.

[austinite]

As rusty said, Arginine and Citrulline are great. You could do 3 grams of Cit and 2 grams of Arg 30 minutes before lifting.

Anyone using cialis needs to make sure they don't have low blood pressure before taking ANY dose.

[BluPhin]

No no no. Do not take a daily cialis dose of 20 mg!! 5-10mg/day of cialis + L-arganine/citrulline and veins will start popping in places never before seen. Oh, I'm 51 and not sub 12% bf.

Cool...that's what I'm looking for!

[Perseverance1]

As rusty said, Arginine and Citrulline are great. You could do 3 grams of Cit and 2 grams of Arg 30 minutes before lifting.

Anyone using cialis needs to make sure they don't have low blood pressure before taking ANY dose.

Aight, sounds good. Ill stop by the local GNC and overpay for some so I can get it now rather than later and see if it helps me finish out that vein going up my bicep. Personally I think I just need to gain a good 10 pounds of lean mass and ill look quite a bit better, but we'll see how it goes after a couple months on tren.

Additionally, you're right about the BP, and honestly anyone thinking about self prescribing ANY "medication" needs to make sure they aren't under any circumstances that would prevent an MD from giving it to a patient who needed it for its more 'traditional' use.

Always do your homework and DD, it could save your life.

[BluPhin]

Take 10mg cialis pre workout and you will see a significant increase in vascularity once you get to sub 12% bf.

Also, being that you're in your late 40's...you probably would benefit from taking an additional 10mg 8-12 hours before or after you take your pre workout dose.

As a 24 year old 10mg is enough to give me random boners all day long so I don't try more than 10mg a day total...

Let us know how it worked out for you.

I don't think 20mg/day is advisable for someone my age. However, as someone with ED, I wouldn't mind random boners throughout the day

[Perseverance1]

I don't think 20mg/day is advisable for someone my age. However, as someone with ED, I wouldn't mind random boners throughout the day

My thought process is that I've got a super active sex drive as a 24 year old male....and 10mg/day isn't too much for me to handle at all (I do get a few random rock hard erections throughout the day though) so a full dose of cialis shouldn't be too bad for a guy double my age. Hell, I've taken double doses of Viagra before and ended up okay lol (not advisable, btw!)

[kelkel]

I don't think 20mg/day is advisable for someone my age. However, as someone with ED, I wouldn't mind random boners throughout the day

Cialis improves blood flow. It's not an aphrodisiac. Like austin said, it has many healthy benefits beyond libido.

[Brazensol]

Yep. Higher NO levels will yield vascularty in your leaner parts. Your arms must be fairly lean. Good work. What's your dose?

So far I can only talk the doc into 2.5 mgs/day but next visit I think I'll complain about bad erections so maybe he'll bump it to at least 5 mgs/day... Shame to have to use trickery to get something that has so many good benefits with virtually no sides. I hope you don't think poorly of me. I just hate that our health care system is so reactionary instead of preventative. It would be so much cheaper if it weren't.

[Perseverance1]

So far I can only talk the doc into 2.5 mgs/day but next visit I think I'll complain about bad erections so maybe he'll bump it to at least 5 mgs/day... Shame to have to use trickery to get something that has so many good benefits with virtually no sides. I hope you don't think poorly of me. I just hate that our health care system is so reactionary instead of preventative. It would be so much cheaper if it weren't.

You got the scrip....just buy from arr now and you're fine.

[Rusty11]

Of course, listen to your doc! However, l-arganine/citrulline is OTC and has many similar benefits. Also, I'm sure that you are aware that the site sponser sells liquid cialis. Works like a charm.

[Rusty11]

You got the scrip....just buy from arr now and you're fine.

Crap. Beat me to it.

[Brazensol]

Aight, sounds good. Ill stop by the local GNC and overpay for some so I can get it now rather than later and see if it helps me finish out that vein going up my bicep. Personally I think I just need to gain a good 10 pounds of lean mass and ill look quite a bit better, but we'll see how it goes after a couple months on tren.

Additionally, you're right about the BP, and honestly anyone thinking about self prescribing ANY "medication" needs to make sure they aren't under any circumstances that would prevent an MD from giving it to a patient who needed it for its more 'traditional' use.

Always do your homework and DD, it could save your life.

I joined the Amazon Prime membership deal ($72.00 annual) and you can find most everything you need and it will ship in two days. I'd say about 20% of the time if I order in the morning I'll have it the next day. You get other benefits besides the two days shipping guarantee and since I order so much from Amazon the price is worth it to me. I ordered some of the very things Austinite is talking about late last night and it will be here Monday in time for my workout. Not a bad deal in my mind.

[Brazensol]

You got the scrip....just buy from arr now and you're fine.

Good point! Never thought of that.

[Brazensol]

You got the scrip....just buy from arr now and you're fine.

Wait. Won't the script only be for 2.5 mgs/day?

[Rusty11]

I think he means that if your doc won't give you a higher daily dose, you can purchase the liquid cialis from the site sponser(ar-r) and dose with that, as well.

[jimmy726]

Ok I'm no king dong but dam if I get a random hard on shit will be dam sure noticeable while at work.

[RipOwens]

Ok I'm no king dong but dam if I get a random hard on shit will be dam sure noticeable while at work.

Learn how to hide a boner bro...

[BluPhin]

Ok I'm no king dong but dam if I get a random hard on shit will be dam sure noticeable while at work.

Just remain seated at your desk until it goes away...no one will ever know. Otherwise, slip into the bathroom and and take care of it.

[jimmy726]

Learn how to hide a boner bro...

I know how to hide a boner and like I stated I am defiantly not no 12" down there but not far off so that's a piece of meat that's hard to conceal lol.

Just remain seated at your desk until it goes away...no one will ever know. Otherwise, slip into the bathroom and and take care of it.

lol I am a warehouse clerk nothing is seated

[RescuesPitbulls]

I'm pretty vascular as it is. All i do is take in a crapload of arginine & red wine.

[Livinlean]

I just take some arginine before my workout and before bed and I have noticed a pretty big difference in the last 3 weeks with vascularity. I also take aminocore ontop of that.

Quick question for you cialis guys does it make your body dependent for hard ons? For example if you take it regularly and than don't take it for say 4 days will you have problems getting it up on the 4th day? Or is it a somewhat permanent solution? Sorry if it sounds like a thread jack but someone had to be wondering this lol.

[M302_Imola]

OP, drop to around 10% bf and I bet you become more vascular...some don't see veins at 12% bf.

[Brazensol]

I just take some arginine before my workout and before bed and I have noticed a pretty big difference in the last 3 weeks with vascularity. I also take aminocore ontop of that.

Quick question for you cialis guys does it make your body dependent for hard ons? For example if you take it regularly and than don't take it for say 4 days will you have problems getting it up on the 4th day? Or is it a somewhat permanent solution? Sorry if it sounds like a thread jack but someone had to be wondering this lol.

I take a low dose daily so I couldn't say but I don't think you would become dependent on it.