Anavar

[dickster]

I have heard a lot about this compound oral, I know a huge majority of the stuff is fake in the uk, due to limited availability.
Everybody says it is ths safest oral, gains are small but easier kept, not to much water, but my question is.
Most bbs seem to be taking 100 mg plus daily for up to 10 weeks, is this really safer than doing half the time at 30 mg max on dbol. I understand adrogenically and anabolically weaker than dbol, if you can get away with 1000 mg on a cycle of dbol and 7000 mg of anavar which is safest.
Dickster.

[austinite]

If we're talking about lean mass gains, then there is no such thing as "Easier Kept". Muscle is muscle, doesn't matter what compound helps you get there.

It's less toxic that dbol, so keeping your liver clean is an easier task.

What is this hypothetical question with 1000's of mg's? You'd be dead.

[poison]

Austinite is right.. Anavar is less hepatoxic than dbol. The real answer here is that you don't need to take 100+mgs of var your first time around. 50mg/day will give you nearly the same results, and be easier on your liver.

Like austinite says, wtf are you talking about with 1000mg vs 7000mg? I tried summing it all up together, but it still doesn't make sense.

[Back In Black]

The 100mg and 7000mg appear to be cycle totals. So var at 100mg per day = 700mg per week x 10 weeks = 7000mg.

[Spartans09]

100 mg is overkill for anavar. 40-50mg does just fine. 10 weeks is too long-6 or 7 would be better. Var gives me tremendous strength gains within a cople of weeks and added vascularity. I love it..
It has a much greater effect on hpta suppression than many realize. It is best to run it with testosterone or alongside a trt dose if on trt.

[austinite]

The 100mg and 7000mg appear to be cycle totals. So var at 100mg per day = 700mg per week x 10 weeks = 7000mg.

Im a little slow today.

[austinite]

100 mg is overkill for anavar. 40-50mg does just fine. 10 weeks is too long-6 or 7 would be better. Var gives me tremendous strength gains within a cople of weeks and added vascularity. I love it..
It has a much greater effect on hpta suppression than many realize. It is best to run it with testosterone or alongside a trt dose if on trt.

40mg? you'd feel baby aspirin before you got anything out of 40mg.

[MuscleInk]

40mg? you'd feel baby aspirin before you got anything out of 40mg.

Agreed. What works for one won't always work for another. I wouldn't say 100mg is "overkill". Results will vary with many factors. If you are worried that 100mg might be too much the first time around, start with 50mg for a cycle. If the results aren't there, you could try higher doses on other cycles.

I personally prefer 100mg/day and haven't cycled any less than that.

[Spartans09]

Surprisingly, I have done very well. Great strength, vascularity and hardening.. I'm pretty conservative, less is more school of thought.

[MuscleInk]

Surprisingly, I have done very well. Great strength, vascularity and hardening.. I'm pretty conservative, less is more school of thought.

What was your bf at time of cycle? Just curious.

[poison]

The 100mg and 7000mg appear to be cycle totals. So var at 100mg per day = 700mg per week x 10 weeks = 7000mg.

I can't believe I missed this math..

[Spartans09]

Usually start around 15-16% bf and run it down to about 12%. I've done it 3-4 times now and have not upped the dose. Who knows maybe I'm missing the magic. My goals are not to be massive. I'm very comfortable at 5'11'' ranging from 190-200between 12-15% bf.
I have trouble with hematocrit and rbc (secondary polycythemia) from my trt if my doses go too high or for too long so this lends to me being more conservative.

[MuscleInk]

Usually start around 15-16% bf and run it down to about 12%. I've done it 3-4 times now and have not upped the dose. Who knows maybe I'm missing the magic. My goals are not to be massive. I'm very comfortable at 5'11'' ranging from 190-200between 12-15% bf.
I have trouble with hematocrit and rbc (secondary polycythemia) from my trt if my doses go too high or for too long so this lends to me being more conservative.

Certainly a great starting point! Thanks for the added info. Glad to see you are aware of your own health parameters and are dosing within healthy guidelines. Hey, if its working and it isn't broken, why fix it!?!

[crazy mike]

Agreed. What works for one won't always work for another. I wouldn't say 100mg is "overkill". Results will vary with many factors. If you are worried that 100mg might be too much the first time around, start with 50mg for a cycle. If the results aren't there, you could try higher doses on other cycles.

I personally prefer 100mg/day and haven't cycled any less than that.

^^^ agree you can always up or lower when getting into this type of tweaking. Really start where you are comfortable push the rest or not. You don't have to stick with any plan in concrete. common sense here. ...crazy mike

[crazy mike]

Another note, I think Dbol carries some harsh sides w/Estrogen levels and is not the best candidate for what you want to do. ...crazy mike

[dickster]

Sorry I meant over the 12 week cycle with anavar that a lot of people do compared to 4-6 weeks on dianabol, I have heard of some doing up to 100 mg of anavar daily

[ironbeck]

I have found my sweet spot to be about 80mg a day, anymore and I get so tight, and knotted up.

[dickster]

Sorry, I was talking of amount compared over the whole cycle, some go 12 weeks on high dose anavar and normally half the dose for half the time of dbol.
I am not planning to use either, I just wondered what some experienced guys thought about the toxicity of both, due to doses and cycling short or long.
I understand they are used for different goals ie bulking and cutting, I was purely thinking about toxicity.

[MuscleInk]

I have found my sweet spot to be about 80mg a day, anymore and I get so tight, and knotted up.

Increasing water and electrolytes helped me with that issue @ 100mg qd.

[dickster]

Respect, thank you, Dickster.

[dickster]

Sorry when I said easier kept, I assumed less water retention with anavar, I was confused with water weight over dry muscle. I also assumed the slower muscle was gained and good pct the more chance of keeping it. Dickster.

[MuscleInk]

WRT to hepatotoxicity concerns.....1200mg NAC daily and 1/2 the prescribed dose of Essential Forte N keeps my LFTs in normal ranges.

[dickster]

I know of people that have been recommended 100mg anavar a day for as long as 12 weeks, that's 84 days which would add up to 8400mg, allowing for tapering is how I got to the figure of 7000, unless my maths is wrong, Dickster

[dickster]

Thanks for the advice Sparten, appreciated, Dickster.

[dickster]

Thanks, I think I understand your post, Dickster.