TRT did nothing, now been given clomid???

[Complete novice]

Hello all

I`ve never taken steroids but have had all the symptoms of low testosterone for over 18months now.

I have tried nebido and more recently Test E, 200mg EOW, neither did anything to my symptoms, maybe made me a little worse in fact.

My last test reading was 11.5 range is 7-30 so I don't have low test (according to the range) but have all the symptoms...

anyway, the endo thinks that it is unlikely to be a test deficiency and recommend me to try 50mg clomid.

I haven't started this yet as I`m not sure when to take it or if I should expect any side effects...ect all the leaflet says is about women...so bit confused really..

Any suggestions??

[phaedo]

Do you have labs from before you started TRT?

Also, was your "last test reading" from being on TRT? Or how long of break before the lab was taken?

[Complete novice]

Hi

I only have basic readings of my GP, the lowest it has been was 6.5, I had a reading of 8.8 whilst on test E, sorry the 11.5 was before I started test, I`ve been off it now for around a month and haven't had any other bloods done... but I feel no different at all...

[powerlifterty16]

11.5 is bottom of range..your endo is a moron

[Complete novice]

I have seen 4 different endo`s now, they wont touch me coz they think I`m in "range" don't know what to do... the test E did nothing for me tho... Im a big lad and I said is it the dose that's to small...and he said I should have felt something after having 200mg

I didn't feel any better, all I got was sore shrunk testicles

[powerlifterty16]

you should have your estrogen checked, and add in hcg.

[powerlifterty16]

200 mg is a big dose of test...when you say noone touched you..it sound slike he helped.

[Complete novice]

you should have your estrogen checked, and add in hcg.

Im not taking anything at the moment, should I take HCG with the clomid when I start that? any info about clomid?

[jasondd1]

Is it me or does this kind of bad doctoring pretty prevalent in the UK?

You need a full blood work up to determine proper course IMO.

[Complete novice]

so you don't think I should do the clomid then?????

I`m really confused

[bass]

ohh Lordy Lord.... there is so much more to TRT and your doc absolutely have no clue how to treat you, in my opinion he's committing a crime treating you blindly. testosterone by itself won't do much for you, maybe in the short run but soon after that you could end up in a worse situation than before. a complete TRT consists of,

1. Testosterone, minimum once per week or twice a week is best, the reason you need a once per week minimum because the half life of test E or C is 5-7 days. Nebido takes a while to feel the effects, but the rest of your hormones need to be in check for you to feel the improvement.

2. AI (Adex) to stop E2 conversion, if your E2 spikes up you will feel like crap within couple of weeks or so.

3. hCG, is important to keep your testis in good health. after 18 months now you are completely shut down and the moron doc have no clue how to restart you, even if he can restart, you will get back to where you were before TRT.

4. donating blood is very important as your RBC, Hemoglobin and Hematocrit will get too high and you will feel like crap.

unfortunately you live in UK and you have limited options. ask other members who live in UK and find out how are they getting their TRT administered, hopefully find a doc near you.

[bass]

Is it me or does this kind of bad doctoring pretty prevalent in the UK?

You need a full blood work up to determine proper course IMO.

unfortunately its not you!

[powerlifterty16]

i see people saying once per week is best..or twice per week..but is nebido the exception? is nebido's half life longer?

ohh Lordy Lord.... there is so much more to TRT and your doc absolutely have no clue how to treat you, in my opinion he's committing a crime treating you blindly. testosterone by itself won't do much for you, maybe in the short run but soon after that you could end up in a worse situation than before. a complete TRT consists of,

1. Testosterone, minimum once per week or twice a week is best, the reason you need a once per week minimum because the half life of test E or C is 5-7 days. Nebido takes a while to feel the effects, but the rest of your hormones need to be in check for you to feel the improvement.

2. AI (Adex) to stop E2 conversion, if your E2 spikes up you will feel like crap within couple of weeks or so.

3. hCG, is important to keep your testis in good health. after 18 months now you are completely shut down and the moron doc have no clue how to restart you, even if he can restart, you will get back to where you were before TRT.

4. donating blood is very important as your RBC, Hemoglobin and Hematocrit will get too high and you will feel like crap.

unfortunately you live in UK and you have limited options. ask other members who live in UK and find out how are they getting their TRT administered, hopefully find a doc near you.

[bass]

I was referring to test E that you mentioned in your first post which you noted EOW, meaning once every two weeks. nebido is every 6-8 weeks I think?!

[Complete novice]

Thanks for the advice! Should I take the clomid or is it not worth it? I'm due to see yet another endo when the referral goes through!

I've not had anything at all for a few weeks, is it worth trying clomid like a pct?

Thanks

[jasondd1]

Thanks for the advice! Should I take the clomid or is it not worth it? I'm due to see yet another endo when the referral goes through!

I've not had anything at all for a few weeks, is it worth trying clomid like a pct?

Thanks

I probably wouldn't because it could skew the results when you do get complete blood work done. You wouldn't know your baseline numbers, and could start treatment based on bad info. Just my opinion others are way more knowledgeable.

[HRTstudent]

clomid can work well for many men... but 50mg every day is an astronomical dose. Why did your doc choose that?

[powerlifterty16]

I was referring to test E that you mentioned in your first post which you noted EOW, meaning once every two weeks. nebido is every 6-8 weeks I think?!

i'm not the op, i was just curious, since test is reccomended to be used 1-2 times per week MAX due to its half life, and bi weekly or tri weekly or once per month injections are frowned upon, why is nebido reccomended and not frowned upon ..being 6-12 weeks?

[powerlifterty16]

clomid can work well for many men... but 50mg every day is an astronomical dose. Why did your doc choose that?

i've heard typical doses are 25mg up to 50 mg epr day. I've heard of drs using 100mg short term as well. Iv heard 25 is a better dose to avoid side effects..being every day or eod......but ive never heard 50mg being ASTRONOMICAL.

[jasondd1]

I tried clomid 25 mg eod before hrt and it raised my test from 300 to 590, did little with free and crashed everything else. At the 6 week mark it ****ed with my progesterone so much I couldn't sleep. My doc was afraid that would happen and I had progesterone problems in the past and it made them worse. Didnt work for me but it has worked for many, thoughts why i tried it

[Complete novice]

Thanks everyone

I`m jus gonna try it I think, I don't take anything else and am just going to see if it makes a noticeable difference, as the test did nothing for me.

I`m going to do 50mg ed for 2 weeks then 25mg ed for two weeks, if there is no difference I will stop it as I`m not due back to see the endo for a while.

Should I expect any side effects?

Any other suggestions while I`m on it?

[jasondd1]

Sides can be major. It turns some men into a crying little bitch. Especially at high doses like yours.

[Complete novice]

Now I'm getting worried, should I not bother with it? I thought it would make me what I'm missing, not turn me into a female!

What is it ment to do?

Worried now

[jasondd1]

Sounds like your doc is wanting to try it as a restart protocol. If it messes with you stop taking it. Some guys are on it 25 mg eod for years as stand alone hrt.

[HRTstudent]

i've heard typical doses are 25mg up to 50 mg epr day. I've heard of drs using 100mg short term as well. Iv heard 25 is a better dose to avoid side effects..being every day or eod......but ive never heard 50mg being ASTRONOMICAL.

I have read those as well, but most of the recent medical experts are using lower doses such as 12.5mg per day or even EOD. less side effects, while still providing the lh/fsh boosting effect.

with that said, "most" could take almost 10 times less drug at that 50mg dose and still get the benefit of hrt.

[powerlifterty16]

i'm not the op, i was just curious, since test is reccomended to be used 1-2 times per week MAX due to its half life, and bi weekly or tri weekly or once per month injections are frowned upon, why is nebido reccomended and not frowned upon ..being 6-12 weeks?

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