Trenbolone only, no Testosterone

[KimboHalfSlice]

So to begin with, we know that Trenbolone (by mass) is far more anabolic than Testosterone.

Trenbolone however is highly androgenic, and therefore results in suppression of the body's natural Testosterone production.

It is for this reason that people always take Trenbolone with Testosterone.

Well I'm trying something else. At first I was on:

Trenbolone Enanthate
Testosterone Enanthate
Anastrazole (Arimidex)
hCG

and I was getting good results, although my blood pressure and pulse was high.

I've been checking my testicles regularly for shrinkage, and they're fine, no shrinkage at all (because I take hCG every day).

Well I've changed my cycle. Now I'm only taking:

Trenbolone Enanthate
hCG

I stopped taking Testosterone because my testicles are still producing it because I'm taking hCG. And I stopped taking Anastrazole because Trenbolone does not convert to estrogen.

The results I've seen so far is that my pulse rate and blood pressure have returned to normal, even though I'm taking a high dose of Trenbolone Enanthate.

Here's my routine:
100iu of hCG per day
500mg of Trenbolone every 3rd day (that works out at 1.16 grams per week)

No noticeable sides so far, no Trensomnia, no aggression. So I'm beginning to think that Trenbolone only results in bad side effects when it's accompanied by high Testosterone.

I'm gonna keep going the way I'm going and see how my gains go. I'm quite glad though that my heart has taken a break since I stopped the Testosterone.

My current heart stats are 142/85 with a pulse of 89

This is a lot better than when I was taking Testosterone (I was something like 165/90 with pulse of 119).

[KimboHalfSlice]

Oh by the way, I do have Anorgasmia which is to be expected with such a high dose of Trenbolone, but I could easily cure it with Cabergoline if I so wanted.

[panntastic]

You being genuine with this??????

[KimboHalfSlice]

100% genuine. Plus I'm saving money on not buying vial of Testosterone or buying pills of Anastrazole.

[panntastic]

I stopped taking Testosterone because my testicles are still producing it because I'm taking hCG. And I stopped taking Anastrazole because Trenbolone does not convert to estrogen. .

This is pure genius

[JohnnyVegas]

I doubt hCG will replace the testosterone. It will interesting to see what happens...keep us informed.

I take 800mcg hCG a week in addition to my TRT dose and don't think the hCG contributes much to my testosterone levels.

[Times Roman]

I've got an idea?

instead of checking your testicles, maybe you should have your blood taken and tested to see if you are still producing test natty?

....just a thought?

[panntastic]

I doubt hCG will replace the testosterone. It will interesting to see what happens...keep us informed.

I take 800mcg hCG a week in addition to my TRT dose and don't think the hCG contributes much to my testosterone levels.

No it doesn't not one bit
The tren will destroy any chance of that

There's no mention of prolactin control amongst other things

This guys a danger to himself

[songdog]

Bro you really are going to regret this one.There have been a few guys who have done it.Ask Granovich took him a long time too even get close to normal again.18 mos I believe.Do you think we tell you guys not to do this beacuse we are scared you will get bigger than us or something? Bro its people like YOU who give aas a bad name.Beacuse you will be in the Doctors office crying soon.

[Sfla80]

Read his thread history. Not his first crazy ass thread.

[ScotchGuard02]

Don't be so sure you can cure anorgasmia by taking caber. I've been suffering from it for a while and I've been on both prami and caber. Just be careful. You'll experiment on yourself against common wisdom and when you get into trouble, it's too late.

[KimboHalfSlice]

hCG mimics the functionality of Leutinising Hormone, and thus causes my testicles to produce Testosterone. That is why my testicles have not shrunken even though I've been on Trenbolone for 6 months now.

I don't see how Trenbolone will destroy any chance of the hCG causing my testicles to produce Testosterone. If you wish to make this claim, the burden of proof is on the person making the assertion.

No I haven't mentioned Prolactin control, although I'll consider getting Cabergoline (it's very very expensive where I am, and difficult to source).

How can you stand there and say that I'm a danger to myself when I'm eliminating the most carcinogenic compound of all from my body -- i.e. ESTROGEN! Estrogen causes cancer, plain and simple. If you take a high dose of Testosterone then it will convert to a lot of estrogen, causing complication such as moon face, bitch tits, and in rare cases, cancer. I won't experience any of these effects.

As I said above, if you're going to make assertions such as "Water boils at 40 degrees Fahrenheit", then the burden of proof is on the person making the assertion. If you think I'm a danger to myself, then provide proof / evidence / statistics. If you cannot provide this, my ears are shut.

[anahny]

Tren for 6 months....!?!. Omg I think almond is turning into a peanut

[kelkel]

So to be clear, tren, basically an animal steroid and 5 X more powerful than test is safe and bio-identical test is not? You've eliminated "estrogen" concerns but not prolactin issues. You're simply choosing your own poison sort of. Size of your nuts is purely cosmetic btw.

I'd also be very curious about BW if possible. As you should. Unless your Mike Scally or someone similar I wouldn't base this on a self-developed theory. Be careful with this please.

Keep updating this if you will.

[Lunk1]

The idiot returns! Go away troll!

[Sfla80]

The idiot returns! Go away troll!

Thought I was the only one who remembered this guy

[bigsiv]

Thought I was the only one who remembered this guy

I remember........didn't give a shit about life is what I remember

[Sfla80]

I remember........didn't give a shit about life is what I remember

Exactly

[Back In Black]

Even leatherdaddy thought he was odd, that says everything!.

[crazy mike]

BW, BW, BW I think will tell him and us more. He needs BW, prolactin, and other...not my specialty but common sense. Then no guessing. Also I just have to say, my nuts never shrunk at all. Never that I could tell. Way back in my dark ages they talked about raisin nuts. I never had that so for me checking the size of my nuts and them not shrinking tells me Nothing. Just a thought since you checked and think the lack of shrinkage means something. Good luck, but maybe check you test level and continue to monitor. ...crazy mike

[qscgugcsq]

Well, if you have been on tren for 6 months, I think you are already doomed to be on TRT for the rest of your short life.
So, if it works for you up to now, ok...
But I agree with everyone above, you are aiming to a shitload of problem...
That is everything but smart...

Good luck...

[KimboHalfSlice]

I am getting my semen tested on Tuesday afternoon for fertility.

I am getting my blood tested in 3 weeks' time for all the usuals (lipids, cholesterol, liver function, also also Testosterone).

In the meantime, I have my own blood pressure gauge at home and I test my heart about twice a day.

Regardless of whether or not you think what I'm doing is "stupid" or "reckless", I am taking steps toward harm reduction by proactively having my overall bodily health check regularly.

I'll keep you all updated in this thread.

[crazy mike]

I will look forward to what all your test results say. So keep us all posted. ...crazy mike


I still think you are nuts...ha !!!...............

[Sgt. Hartman]

The idiot returns! Go away troll!

I don't think he's a troll man, he's not quite right but not a troll.

OP please keep us updated on your upcoming blood work and cycle results.

[knuckles69]

I too am very curious about bw results from your crazy decisions. Keep us posted

[BBJT200]

This is definitely going against the grain of what is preached around here, but I can see the logic you are following.

I'm interested to see if this will actually work well for you...please keep us posted on bloodwork.
For those of us with a very high conversion rate of testosterone to estrogen, this could potentially be a great solution!

All I can say is...I hope you do not seriously screw up your body by running this the way you are (extended periods of tren, etc etc)
I wish you the best of luck.

[kronik420]

[lolfb]

I will look forward to what all your test results say. So keep us all posted. ...crazy mike


I still think you are nuts...ha !!!...............

lol what test results? this guy has been on tren for 6 months. Even if he had been using test along with it, he would be shutdown for a VERY long time. Without the test, I highly doubt he's even going to recover. OP will most likely be on TRT from this point on.

Also OP, idc if you're balls are made of steal and they recover instantly. Tren will **** up your cholesterol and cause plaque build up. Good luck with your heart attack goals of 2013.

Also for everyone screaming prolactin/caber. Have a read:

http://patrickarnoldblog.com/anaboli...and-lactating/

[Fllifter]

I remember a thread where sworder theorized about this and was going to "Experiment" just like peanut here is doing. Hmmmmm

[kronik420]

I remember a thread where sworder theorized about this and was going to "Experiment" just like peanut here is doing. Hmmmmm

wasn't that his tren for TRT thread lol?

anyways this thread is stupid

im out

[AD]

I remember a thread where sworder theorized about this and was going to "Experiment" just like peanut here is doing. Hmmmmm

they are cellmates from the same loony bin

[KimboHalfSlice]

First of all, I'd like to thank the non-constructive contributors to this thread, the people who offered no advice, who asked no questions, and whose only motivation was to boost their self-esteem by bullying another person with non-constructive critiques or just plain insults. These people I would like to thank are as follows:

Sfla80
anahny
Lunk1
bigsiv
Back In Black
kronik420
Flifter
AD


So having sifted through the bullies and those looking for attention beating their chest in a vain act of supremacy, how about we move onto the real points that have been raised regarding my activities?

Kelkel mentioned that testicular size is purely cosmetic, but I disagree. I once did a cycle of Nandrolone for 3 months and my testicles shrank to about an eighth of their original size, which is extreme testicular atrophy, which is indicative of the testicles becoming inactive and no longer producing sperm or Testosterone.

This time around, on Tren and taking hCG, given that my testicles haven't atrophied (because of my daily dose of hCG), there has been no testicular atrophy at all, which strongly indicates that my testicles are still active and still producing sperm and Testosterone.

As regards being "shutdown", well that can be thought of in two senses:

(1) My hypothalamus is no longer secreting GnRH when it normally should be (which has a cascading effect in that my pituitary gland no longer secretes Leutinising Hormone or Follicle-Stimulating Hormone)
(2) However, my testicles are still producing sperm and Testosterone (because I'm taking hCG), so I am not shutdown in that regard.

If I were to suffer any long term effects of shutdown from doing what I'm doing, it would be secondary hypogonadism as opposed to primary hypogonadism. (Do a Wikipedia on it if you don't know the difference, it's quite simple).

The thing is... secondary hypogonadism is extremely rare, and even when it does it occur, it fixes itself very quickly.

For those who are on Testosterone Replacement Therapy, 99.9999% of them have primary hypogonadism, whereby the problem is that their testicles have atrophied to the point of no longer being able to sufficiently produce Testosterone and sperm.

I've never once in my life heard of one person who was on Testosterone Replacement Therapy who suffered from secondary hypogonadism, not one single person, not in literature or in real life. The mechanism of secondary hypogonadism is very similar to that of females taking birth control pills, and you don't see people worrying that women won't be able to get pregnant once they cease taking their birth control... the brain gets back to normal very quickly once foreign substances are taken away.

Only thing left to talk about is Prolactin. So far, I have not noticed any side-effects such as lactation (i.e. milk secreting from my nipples), but that isn't to say damage isn't being done inside my body, so I'd be wise to read up further on it and perhaps take an anti-Prolactin drug such as Cabergoline -- although as I said, it's very difficult to source where I live... I've asked maybe a dozen steroid dealers and none of them have ever heard of it. But yes, I acknowledge the dangers of high Prolactin, and given the fact that I am already experiencing anorgasmia, that indicates that I do indeed have high Prolactin, so I should address that.

I realise that nobody has passed any positive comment on the positive effects I've obtained from changing my routine. Not one person has said that it's good that I no longer have hypertension or tachycardia. Not one person has mentioned that I am no longer at the risk of cancer caused by excess estrogen. Oh, but of course, to do so, would make this witch hunt far less entertaining and degrading for the original poster.

How about we talk about steroid usage instead of measuring dicks and comparing each other's pay cheques?

[kronik420]

your welcome

[kronik420]

first of all

your a douche..

2nd, wouldn't it be better to just run a TRT dose along side the tren???? say 100-200mg/week....??????

[KimboHalfSlice]

Kronik420, why would I run a TRT dose of Testosterone alongside the Trenbolone when my testicles are still producing Testosterone?

[yannick35]

testosterone makes me FAT, real FAT i found out that my body aromatize estrogen fast real fast even when i was younger at 27 did my first cycle i was 174 pounds and got to 212 FAT, i been put on TRT by an idiot last year and got FAT went from 217 to 261 in about 6 months or so of water and FAT.

I have read a book about steroid cycle anabolics 2006, there are some great cycles in there, there is a cycle with tren ace and winstrol V 7 weeks 150mg each per week, small dosage.

I got the tren ace i got the winstrol valid source i know i said i would not use steroids anymore, i was pissed off because i got fakes. Both tren ace and win are real coming straight from a vet expensive but still legit.

I will be 41 in about a month and i need to get back on track, i been in the gym for 6 months now after a 11 year layoff due to laxed ligaments.

I will start this cycle in a week no testosterone but i would never ever use that much tren ace.

I can report back my gains, my diet is in check and i can actually lift heavier weights, still under prolotherapy treatments but at least i can train now.

I have spoken to a few that don't fair well on testosterone and have the same issue has me, on cycle we look like fat chubby whales.

saying that everyone is different and no everyone needs testosterone. Some cycle can be done without but i guess its all dosage dependent.

[KimboHalfSlice]

I'm reading up on the effects of Prolactin right now. Here's a lovely quote from a medical journal that really helps my case of relying on hCG to keep my testicles active:

"Physiologic levels of prolactin in males enhance luteinizing hormone-receptors in Leydig cells, resulting in testosterone secretion, which leads to spermatogenesis"

[kronik420]

Kronik420, why would I run a TRT dose of Testosterone alongside the Trenbolone when my testicles are still producing Testosterone?

you think your still going to be producing test while running tren?? lol really? tren WILL shut down your natural testosterone production.. i thought this was common knowledge??

testosterone makes me FAT, real FAT i found out that my body aromatize estrogen fast real fast even when i was younger at 27 did my first cycle i was 174 pounds and got to 212 FAT, i been put on TRT by an idiot last year and got FAT went from 217 to 261 in about 6 months or so of water and FAT.

I have read a book about steroid cycle anabolics 2006, there are some great cycles in there, there is a cycle with tren ace and winstrol V 7 weeks 150mg each per week, small dosage.

I got the tren ace i got the winstrol valid source i know i said i would not use steroids anymore, i was pissed off because i got fakes. Both tren ace and win are real coming straight from a vet expensive but still legit.

I will be 41 in about a month and i need to get back on track, i been in the gym for 6 months now after a 11 year layoff due to laxed ligaments.

I will start this cycle in a week no testosterone but i would never ever use that much tren ace.

I can report back my gains, my diet is in check and i can actually lift heavier weights, still under prolotherapy treatments but at least i can train now.

I have spoken to a few that don't fair well on testosterone and have the same issue has me, on cycle we look like fat chubby whales.

saying that everyone is different and no everyone needs testosterone. Some cycle can be done without but i guess its all dosage dependent.

AI?

[yannick35]

Good thing i used HCG when i was put on TRT by that idiot medical doctor i was using 200mg per week of Test E, did that for about 6 months. My testicles never shrunk but still running tren ace by itself. I know winstrol fits well with tren i read it sort of completes it.

[yannick35]

Yeah aramidex and at one point letrozole good that did. I still aromatized a lot even then, i always had that extra layer of fat over my abs even when i was a skinny 143 pounds. My natural test is pretty high for my age too got tested about 2 months ago and came back at 700. I have read that has we get older we aromatize even more T to estrogen. I am looking at some of the guys in the gym that are in there 50 and 60 and i am afraid to get a fat gut like that. I did lose weight but man scary.