Masteron Dosing

[BBrian]

I'm preparing for another cycle and I intend to include Masteron, which I've never experimented with before. My intent is a lean bulk at 4500 calories per day. I'm hoping to get to 215lbs and drop to between 10 and 12% bf.

I'm 36, 5'10, 198 lbs at around 14% body fat and I've experimented with several different cycles. My last two cycles were;
1 year ago - 50mg Anadrol ED for 4 weeks, 1200mg test per week for 12 weeks, 600mg deca per week for 10 weeks (achieved 209lbs @12% bf)
6 months ago - 1200mg test (between enanthate & propionate) per week for 12 weeks

This is what I'm looking at cycling this time;
Week 1 - 4
Dianobol 40mg Every Day

Week 1 - 12
Testosterone Enanthate 600mg
Week 1 - 14
Testosterone Propionate 350mg

I want to include Masteron on this cycle for it's reported hardening and leaning affect on muscles, as well as vascularity, but I have no idea what kind of dose I should take on with the above mentioned dose of testosterone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[austinite]

Dang BB, setting the bar really high with the goal. But why test prop for 12 weeks brother?

[BBrian]

Dang BB, setting the bar really high with the goal. But why test prop for 12 weeks brother?

You're right, but when I hit 209lbs I started at 180. I had never been able to break 196 on prior cycles, but that was the first time I went all out on counting macros every day and controlling my protein/carb/fat ratio. I feel that I have a strong enough base at this point to break 210, and quite frankly I just like to shoot for the moon. If I don't hit 215, I'll at least have a bigger goal to work for, and I won't be discouraged as long as I do see progress. Plus I can always increase my caloric intake as I increase lean body mass.

As for the prop, I've tried several different approaches to taking test - Cypionate or Enanthate only, Propionate only, beginning with Prop to kick-start the test/serum levels and ending with Prop to decrease the bridge between cycle and PCT, etc., and I have to say that injecting a long ester twice a week as well as a short ester every other day has made me "feel" the best where stable test levels are concerned. It may only be psychological, but I really enjoy the extra power I perceive from injecting a short ester in conjunction with a long in contrast to only injecting test enan/cyp.

[austinite]

You're right, but when I hit 209lbs I started at 180. I had never been able to break 196 on prior cycles, but that was the first time I went all out on counting macros every day and controlling my protein/carb/fat ratio. I feel that I have a strong enough base at this point to break 210, and quite frankly I just like to shoot for the moon. If I don't hit 215, I'll at least have a bigger goal to work for, and I won't be discouraged as long as I do see progress. Plus I can always increase my caloric intake as I increase lean body mass.

As for the prop, I've tried several different approaches to taking test - Cypionate or Enanthate only, Propionate only, beginning with Prop to kick-start the test/serum levels and ending with Prop to decrease the bridge between cycle and PCT, etc., and I have to say that injecting a long ester twice a week as well as a short ester every other day has made me "feel" the best where stable test levels are concerned. It may only be psychological, but I really enjoy the extra power I perceive from injecting a short ester in conjunction with a long in contrast to only injecting test enan/cyp.

Oh, I have no doubt you'll make weight. I was just concerned about the BF% drop. Nothing wrong with shooting for the moon my friend. Good answer.

I just don't see the prop being effective for 14 weeks. Maybe consider stopping prop mid-cycle (or around week 5 really), and then introduce it again for the last 2 weeks. For this cycle I'd go with Mast E and run at 600mg/week for 12 weeks.

[BBrian]

Oh, I have no doubt you'll make weight. I was just concerned about the BF% drop. Nothing wrong with shooting for the moon my friend. Good answer.

I just don't see the prop being effective for 14 weeks. Maybe consider stopping prop mid-cycle (or around week 5 really), and then introduce it again for the last 2 weeks. For this cycle I'd go with Mast E and run at 600mg/week for 12 weeks.

Well, I'd definitely consider you to be more knowledgeable than myself. And considering that I'm adding a compound as androgenic as Masteron, I think I may just take your advice.

[< <Samson> >]

I am on a bit of Mast @ the moment. I pump 90mg per day along with 90mg of test prop. It is very mild, no sides and I can notice just a tad bit of a difference.


My opinion on mast and the like is if you can afford it or just have it, go for it. But, it seems like it takes a ton to make a real noticeable change - @ least it sure does for me.


Just my .02


P.S. Damn, the DLB is looking solid.

[BBrian]

I am on a bit of Mast @ the moment. I pump 90mg per day along with 90mg of test prop. It is very mild, no sides and I can notice just a tad bit of a difference.


My opinion on mast and the like is if you can afford it or just have it, go for it. But, it seems like it takes a ton to make a real noticeable change - @ least it sure does for me.


Just my .02


P.S. Damn, the DLB is looking solid.

Price isn't an issue. I just want to make sure that I get the most out of the compound. I considered Priombolan, but steered towards Masteron as it seems to be the more powerful of the two.

And yeah, DLB is always looking solid.

[Java Man]

Price isn't an issue. I just want to make sure that I get the most out of the compound. I considered Priombolan, but steered towards Masteron as it seems to be the more powerful of the two.

And yeah, DLB is always looking solid.

Can I have some then

[Times Roman]

at 4500 cals a day, (that's a lot of eating mate!), I'm not sure how much body fat you will lose?

sure the mast will help with it to a certain extent, but my experience is that trying to drop 4% in bf and at the same time picking up 20lbs AND eating that much will be quite the chore.

so let me think about this...

right now, you are carrying almost 30 pounds of fat

if you go to 215 at 10%, you will lose around 10pounds of fat, and pick up 30lbs of muscle for a net increase of 20lbs.

mast is good for cutting, i'll grant you that.

so say your TDEE is

170 x 15 = 2550

and you plan on eating aprox 2,000 cals/day above tdee, AND lose body fat?

imho, this whole goal revolves around your diet. I was reading on the net about the "Wolverine Diet" and he was eating 5k/cal/day for only 8 hours a day, and it was primarily chicken breast and steamed spinach.

So I'm not saying you can't do it, but the amount of time and effort will be phenomenal.

By the way, the sweet spot for mast, and the most economical dose (biggest bang for your buck) is somewhere between 400 and 600mg/week.

[BBrian]

at 4500 cals a day, (that's a lot of eating mate!), I'm not sure how much body fat you will lose?

sure the mast will help with it to a certain extent, but my experience is that trying to drop 4% in bf and at the same time picking up 20lbs AND eating that much will be quite the chore.

so let me think about this...

right now, you are carrying almost 30 pounds of fat

if you go to 215 at 10%, you will lose around 10pounds of fat, and pick up 30lbs of muscle for a net increase of 20lbs.

mast is good for cutting, i'll grant you that.

so say your TDEE is

170 x 15 = 2550

and you plan on eating aprox 2,000 cals/day above tdee, AND lose body fat?

imho, this whole goal revolves around your diet. I was reading on the net about the "Wolverine Diet" and he was eating 5k/cal/day for only 8 hours a day, and it was primarily chicken breast and steamed spinach.

So I'm not saying you can't do it, but the amount of time and effort will be phenomenal.

By the way, the sweet spot for mast, and the most economical dose (biggest bang for your buck) is somewhere between 400 and 600mg/week.

That is a lot of eating! I've done it before though. I actually began my cycle before last at 5k calories per day, but noticed my bf% increasing, so I toned it down to 4k and brought it up to 4500 after I gained quite a bit of weight. I'm currently eating just under 3500 cal per day and maintaining, though I haven't been very disciplined about sugar or cardio for the last few months, hence the 14% bf.

I agree with everything you state. I'm not going to rely on the Masteron to drop bf though, I intend to cut sugar and increase cardio significantly, as well as cycle carbs. As was the case prior, I'll adjust my caloric intake to accommodate the changes I see. But with that said, I won't be surprised if I end up somewhere in the middle of my current stats and my goals. Like I said, I shoot for the moon

[Times Roman]

That is a lot of eating! I've done it before though. I actually began my cycle before last at 5k calories per day, but noticed my bf% increasing, so I toned it down to 4k and brought it up to 4500 after I gained quite a bit of weight. I'm currently eating just under 3500 cal per day and maintaining, though I haven't been very disciplined about sugar or cardio for the last few months, hence the 14% bf.

I agree with everything you state. I'm not going to rely on the Masteron to drop bf though, I intend to cut sugar and increase cardio significantly, as well as cycle carbs. As was the case prior, I'll adjust my caloric intake to accommodate the changes I see. But with that said, I won't be surprised if I end up somewhere in the middle of my current stats and my goals. Like I said, I shoot for the moon

all the respect in the world for "lofty" goals....

I was eating 4k/cal/day recently, and I was really increasing my weight. yeah, I was picking up BF%, so I cut back my eating when I was around 250. My poor arthritic back just can't handle all the weight anymore!

by the way, back to this wolverine diet thing. he said that he was eating about 5lbs of chicken per day. Fawk!

[drake4243]

I love mast and am currently running it now 150mg eod though you could run that as high as 200 if you want i would not go over 800mg a week myself so that is the max i would run. That is mast prop though i have never run mast e.

[Times Roman]

I love mast and am currently running it now 150mg eod though you could run that as high as 200 if you want i would not go over 800mg a week myself so that is the max i would run. That is mast prop though i have never run mast e.

even the FDA acknowledges mast is relatively safe. Running high doses in the gram per week range is not considered excessive. But above around 600mg there is this concept called diminishing marginal returns (a term from Econ 101, remember that?), and it means that for every 100mg above the 600mg, you get fewer and fewer returns.

But mast can be expensive, and if you want the biggest bang for your buck, again, the 400 to 600mg/week range is about right for most guys around 200lbs.

[crazy mike]

I'm doing Mast right now and into my 4th week at 200 mg EOD with Test P 200mg EOD. Along with the Test E and tbold. My weight isn't gaining fast and I have to eat more but I'm not retaining water over my body. My arms are staying hard. It is just starting to really kick, but I can see where It's going I think and that's not a lot of water weight. It's good for the potential Gyno you prob know and that's a problem for me if I try to use bulking compounds. Money is getting to be an issue.
I say 200 mg eod . IMOP . …crazy mike
“Oldest Juicer on the Forum”

[< <Samson> >]

I just don't understand people's motives to run very mild compounds in high doses. I rather run something a bit harsher, yet at a lower dose.

Like I said earlier, I barely notice anything from the mast @ almost 100mg QD. As compared to just test, I suppose it has a tad bit of a kick. But, I rather run a very low dose of tren(just for example) to still have the same type of kick.


I dunno, that's just what I think of it.

[crazy mike]

I just don't understand people's motives to run very mild compounds in high doses. I rather run something a bit harsher, yet at a lower dose.

Like I said earlier, I barely notice anything from the mast @ almost 100mg QD. As compared to just test, I suppose it has a tad bit of a kick. But, I rather run a very low dose of tren(just for example) to still have the same type of kick.


I dunno, that's just what I think of it.

So That's what you think Huh !,...Haaa. I like that Samson You are correct about it being mild, but that's why the 200mg as I said, but when put together with high dose of Test. Just for my sake and interpreting for you, I am doing 700mg of Test P and 500mg off Test E a week. So I will get the results I think you mean with the higher Test. Now that's what I think, also remember the tbol. That's my cycle but for him I still say the Master at 200mg EOD or the milder as you say will be insignificant. Hope it makes sense to you. ...crazy mike

[BBrian]

I just don't understand people's motives to run very mild compounds in high doses. I rather run something a bit harsher, yet at a lower dose.

Like I said earlier, I barely notice anything from the mast @ almost 100mg QD. As compared to just test, I suppose it has a tad bit of a kick. But, I rather run a very low dose of tren(just for example) to still have the same type of kick.


I dunno, that's just what I think of it.

Did you try it more than once? Do you think there was a possibility of underdosed gear? What would you recommend as an alternative, Winstrol?

[measuretwicecutonce]

parabolan is tren which is much more powerful than masteron.

[BBrian]

Thanks for the advice guys. I'm going to go with;
50mg Dbol ed weeks 1 - 4
400mg Masteron weeks 1 - 10
1,000mg Test Enanthate weeks 1 - 12

The masteron is 200mg/20ml, so I'm stuck with 10 weeks. I'll give my little conclusion in a couple months. And of course Arimidex/HCG on cycle and Nolva/Clomid PCT. I'll use prop to extend the cycle a couple weeks and let the enanthate esther work itself through so that I can shorten the gap to PCT, but I've also been toying with the idea of committing to TRT instead of PCT. Thanks austinite for the advice on prop.

[austinite]

Thanks for the advice guys. I'm going to go with;
50mg Dbol ed weeks 1 - 4
400mg Masteron weeks 1 - 10
1,000mg Test Enanthate weeks 1 - 12

The masteron is 200mg/20ml, so I'm stuck with 10 weeks. I'll give my little conclusion in a couple months. And of course Arimidex/HCG on cycle and Nolva/Clomid PCT. I'll use prop to extend the cycle a couple weeks and let the enanthate esther work itself through so that I can shorten the gap to PCT, but I've also been toying with the idea of committing to TRT instead of PCT. Thanks austinite for the advice on prop.

nice. You going to log this? I'd love to check your progress.

[Lunk1]

I haven't read the whole thread but I would not run Mast at less than 600mg.

[BBrian]

Cool, yeah I'll definitely log my progress.

Lunk - I appreciate the input. I'm moving into week two and it's either run what I have on hand or buy more gear than I need to make a minimum order and wait on more mast. I'll see how this goes and if I'm disappointed, there's always next time.

[Lunk1]

Cool, yeah I'll definitely log my progress.

Lunk - I appreciate the input. I'm moving into week two and it's either run what I have on hand or buy more gear than I need to make a minimum order and wait on more mast. I'll see how this goes and if I'm disappointed, there's always next time.

Makes some sense...also will be sub'd in. Good luck.

[< <Samson> >]

I ran Mast with my tren, the mast is nice compound but so mild. I ran over 600mg of mast per week along with tren @ the same dose.


If I were to run a mast and test only cycles, the mast would have to be very high. Which sucks since the volume will be so high. Unless you go with a long ester.

Otherwise I think there is almost no results. I maybe wrong. Maybe if your Bf is very low, it hits harder.

[BBrian]

I ran Mast with my tren, the mast is nice compound but so mild. I ran over 600mg of mast per week along with tren @ the same dose.


If I were to run a mast and test only cycles, the mast would have to be very high. Which sucks since the volume will be so high. Unless you go with a long ester.

Otherwise I think there is almost no results. I maybe wrong. Maybe if your Bf is very low, it hits harder.

This masteron is enanthate. I've been cutting pretty hard the last few weeks in preparation, we'll see how it goes.

[BBrian]

I started a log in the Members Cycle Results forum.