Time for some change

[Josh and hurls]

Hi guys my name is josh and I have just signed up to this page......after doing some research I think it is in my best interest to formulate a great diet before starting my first cycle. I also want to do a fair bit more research on developing a safe and rewarding cycle plan starting with nutrition.

so if there is anyone out there willing to give me some good diet tips and quantities etc.....I would appreciate it very much.

Im 23 6ft 3" 88kgs with a body fat of 22%

and will eat anything
cheers

[bdos]

Welcome head over to the nutrition forum best place to start...my mistake lol

[kronik420]

whats your goal??

[Josh and hurls]

Hey guys thanks for that.

I want to put on muscle mass and have a shredded look obviously lots of training will need to happen but im just a novice so I want to get my fundamentals sorted first

so I can have a go at a cycle and not F it up haha

[kronik420]

how did you measure your bf% ??

1st pick a goal, cut or bulk??

[bdos]

Go for a cut first get that bf% down then start a clean bulk be easier to manage your fat and put on lbm

[Josh and hurls]

I weighed myself and measured my waist and imputed it to a body fat calculator.

Im happy to start with a cut....would you suggest Clenbuterol exercise and a healthy diet? or am I getting ahead of myself?
Im really itching to start a cycle but I want to make sure my body will handle it...thanks guys keep this info coming.

[kronik420]

I weighed myself and measured my waist and imputed it to a body fat calculator.

Im happy to start with a cut....would you suggest Clenbuterol exercise and a healthy diet? or am I getting ahead of myself?
Im really itching to start a cycle but I want to make sure my body will handle it...thanks guys keep this info coming.

ok, take a look at this pic and try to estimate your bf%

[Josh and hurls]

Hey mate between 20-25 but its mainly in the gut haha

[kronik420]

Hey mate between 20-25 but its mainly in the gut haha

ok well, you can start at say 2000 kcals per day, and see how you go with that (you can get an app for your phone that you can input what food your eating and it will count calories for you, like myfitnesspal or similar)

eat lean protein, fish, chicken breast, lean cuts of beef, eggs/egg whites etc.. and lots of veggies..

lift weights and don't forget to do some cardio..

[Josh and hurls]

Ok thanks heaps mate! ill start this next week and once im down to 15% and nailing the diet and workout would I be able to start planning my Cycle? or is there more work that I should do to prepare myself?

cheers

[kronik420]

Ok thanks heaps mate! ill start this next week and once im down to 15% and nailing the diet and workout would I be able to start planning my Cycle? or is there more work that I should do to prepare myself?

cheers

i would give it a year or 2..

cut some fat, build some muscle, learn how your body reacts to different diets/training.. it all takes time..

in time, you will be ready to start cycling, you will know when that is...

how long have you been lifting for? and whats your current routine?

[Josh and hurls]

ok thanks mate.

yeah I haven't worked out for a while and currently have no routine just trying to establish all that now.
im just an impatient newbie haha

I keep seeing people getting told to train for a while first why is that?
I understand that those who cycle work bloody hard to achieve results but why do you need to have worked out prior?
last question I promise.

[kronik420]

ok thanks mate.

yeah I haven't worked out for a while and currently have no routine just trying to establish all that now.
im just an impatient newbie haha

I keep seeing people getting told to train for a while first why is that?
I understand that those who cycle work bloody hard to achieve results but why do you need to have worked out prior?
last question I promise.

one reason is because using AAS will increase your muscle mass and strength, now with little or no training experience your tendons and ligaments are just not strong enough to deal with this.. which can only get stronger with months and years of training.. and you don;t wanna tare a ligament do you..

another reason would be, if you can't make gains without AAS, you won't make/keep them with AAS..

also as i mentioned before, it takes time and experience to find out what diet and training methods work best for you..

[kronik420]

stick around and learn, once you get your diet and training dialed in, you will make good gains..

and if you do a bit of research every now and then, by the time you are ready to start cycling, you should be able to put together your first cycle plan by yourself...

good luck.

[Josh and hurls]

Fantastic mate thanks.

the answer I have been waiting for!!!
ill start training and and keep you posted. I love this forum its really helped me make some good decisions on my health even if you do get the occasional smart ass haha

[kronik420]

Fantastic mate thanks.

the answer I have been waiting for!!!
ill start training and and keep you posted. I love this forum its really helped me make some good decisions on my health even if you do get the occasional smart ass haha

lol yea..

if you want you can make yourself a diet and post it up for critique, something like:

cals c p f

meal 1
1 cup oats 300 54 10 5
2 whole eggs 148 0 12 10
9 egg whites 153 0 36 0
601 54 58 15


meal 2
100g avocado 165 6 2 15
200g chicken 300 0 56 10
465 6 58 25


meal 3
same as meal 2


meal 4 (pre workout shake)
1/2 cup oats 150 27 5 2.5
1/2 cup egg whites 76 0 18 0
1 scoop whey 120 2 25 1
346 29 48 3.5


meal 5 (post workout shake)
same as meal 4


meal 6
200g beef 338 0 56 6
1/2 cup broccoli 20 3.5 2 0
358 3.5 58 6


totals
cals 2581
carbs 127
protein 328
fat 78


(don't just copy that one lol, make one that's suited to you and your goals.. i just gave you that to give you an idea..)

[kronik420]

Fantastic mate thanks.

the answer I have been waiting for!!!
ill start training and and keep you posted. I love this forum its really helped me make some good decisions on my health even if you do get the occasional smart ass haha

don't forget to train your legs