Maximum Protein Intake per Meal

[Indymuscleguy]

Group,

Stats:

47yo
5' 10" 180lbs
Current bodyfat: 12% (Down from 19.2% 2/13)

I know I've asked this question, (well, kind of hijacked another thread a few months ago) but was doing some research and found confusing information...

I, personally, try to consume 25-35 grams of protein per meal each day. Being 180lbs currently, that equates to 1.2g per lb of current bodyweight. I try to get in more when I can. I have read and have been told that your body can handle up to 50 grams of protien per meal. *(edit: I will consume 50g of whey protein DURING my workout in the gym)

I was looking at the meal plan for the P90X program and they have listed the macros for each suggested meal. Some of the macros had protein amounts per serving up to 95 grams per meal. I have never followed thier diet nor program but it seems pretty solid for dropping bodyfat and adding lean body mass (if you use weights and not the bands)

So lets start a discussion about this. Am I correct that you could consume a maximum of 50 grams of protein per serving or can your body digest and utilize more

[Gaspaco]

No need to consume protein during workout IMO your pre workout meal is still in your system.

I do 40-50g per meal

[Indymuscleguy]

Thanks Gaspaco

I see. My reason for consuming whey protien during my workouts is because I get the majority of my protien intake through foods vs. protien shakes and realize that most sources of protien take hours to digest and get 'into your system' and whey is absorbed quickly.

Do you think it's something I should stop doing or keep doing?

[austinite]

I get between 20 to 30 grams per meal. My protein intake is lower than most tho. 1.2 grams per body weight seems high, no need to feed the fat. I'd go with LBM x 1.2

[Gaspaco]

I get between 20 to 30 grams per meal. My protein intake is lower than most tho. 1.2 grams per body weight seems high, no need to feed the fat. I'd go with LBM x 1.2

Do you count protein from carb sources(pasta...)??

[austinite]

Do you count protein from carb sources(pasta...)??

I've been counting protein from all sources. Honestly even 1 gram per LBM is good. Anytime I hit the 275gram + diets my BUN/Creatinine ratios get out of whack.

[Gaspaco]

I've been counting protein from all sources. Honestly even 1 gram per LBM is good. Anytime I hit the 275gram + diets my BUN/Creatinine ratios get out of whack.

How high carbs should be with 1g/lbm protein?

[austinite]

How high carbs should be with 1g/lbm protein?

Carbs vary for me. Sometimes I'll take then down to 200 sometimes as high as 450.

Right now I'm at maintenence and this is my split...

225 protein
350 carbs
75 fats

[Back In Black]

Carbs vary for me. Sometimes I'll take then down to 200 sometimes as high as 450.

Right now I'm at maintenence and this is my split...

225 protein
350 carbs
75 fats

Bastard, to maintain 193 I'm having to eat

250 pro
450 carbs
60 fat

You're what, 20lbs heavier but very similar bf%?

[kelkel]

Do you guys run around with pocket protectors with calculators and stuff to do all this?

[Back In Black]

Do you guys run around with pocket protectors with calculators and stuff to do all this?

Like you, we try not to run at all

[austinite]

Bastard, to maintain 193 I'm having to eat

250 pro
450 carbs
60 fat

You're what, 20lbs heavier but very similar bf%?

See when I do high protein, I sweat and feel like crap. I can maintain all day long. I can gain if I want to. My problem is cutting. I suck at it. It was so much easier when I wasn't working from home. I'd stay occupied and went for extended periods without eating. Now I'm 15 feet from the fridge. lol. I don't want to eat less, so I'm going to start a hardcore cardio routine next week.

[austinite]

Do you guys run around with pocket protectors with calculators and stuff to do all this?

lol, no. I could never follow a good macro ratio, but now that I work from home it's super easy. I just add it up as I go.

Like you, we try not to run at all

lmao!

[krugerr]

See when I do high protein, I sweat and feel like crap. I can maintain all day long. I can gain if I want to. My problem is cutting. I suck at it. It was so much easier when I wasn't working from home. I'd stay occupied and went for extended periods without eating. Now I'm 15 feet from the fridge. lol. I don't want to eat less, so I'm going to start a hardcore cardio routine next week.

Im a student, and im currently on summer holiday for 5 months, so I am at home most of the day. Meaning I dont have to prep food, I just cook as I go. This is a curse too though, because it is too tempting to deviate when the cupboards are full. I find it easier when I am not at home, I only have my prepped meals, once its gone, its gone.

Wish I were as lucky as your KelKel... If I so much as think about a cheat meal I gain 5lbs + Water...

[austinite]

Im a student, and im currently on summer holiday for 5 months, so I am at home most of the day. Meaning I dont have to prep food, I just cook as I go. This is a curse too though, because it is too tempting to deviate when the cupboards are full. I find it easier when I am not at home, I only have my prepped meals, once its gone, its gone.

Wish I were as lucky as your KelKel... If I so much as think about a cheat meal I gain 5lbs + Water...

Agree, but I don't own kelkel.

[RaginCajun]

See when I do high protein, I sweat and feel like crap. I can maintain all day long. I can gain if I want to. My problem is cutting. I suck at it. It was so much easier when I wasn't working from home. I'd stay occupied and went for extended periods without eating. Now I'm 15 feet from the fridge. lol. I don't want to eat less, so I'm going to start a hardcore cardio routine next week.

care to elaborate

[Back In Black]

care to elaborate

He's gonna start dating a new psycho stripper, they always keep him running about!

[austinite]

care to elaborate

Not much to elaborate on. Just increasing my time on the treadmill. Right now I'm down to only 30 minutes 3 times a week. My best shape was when I was doing 1 hour in the morning, then another 45 minutes at night post workout. Going back to that.

He's gonna start dating a new psycho stripper, they always keep him running about!

... and that ^ !

[kelkel]

He's gonna start dating a new psycho stripper, they always keep him running about!

I always like those threads....

[Brazensol]

I started a carb cycling diet yesterday. Trying to lose that last 3% of bodyfat to hit the magical 15% or less bf so I can try my first cycle. Of course now that we are moving I won't be able to cycle until early 2014 at best. Such is life...

As for how much protein per meal I have seen all kinds of numbers along with the research which proves their study as "correct". It does get kind of confusing when everyone is right. I guess all you can really do is see how your body responds to different diets. I've also read any additional protein your body can't utilize is simply excreted and not stored as body fat. Anyone know how true this is?

[RaginCajun]

He's gonna start dating a new psycho stripper, they always keep him running about!

hahaha, they will keep him swift!

Not much to elaborate on. Just increasing my time on the treadmill. Right now I'm down to only 30 minutes 3 times a week. My best shape was when I was doing 1 hour in the morning, then another 45 minutes at night post workout. Going back to that.



... and that ^ !

yeah, I just started upping the cardio as well!

[Indymuscleguy]

I started a carb cycling diet yesterday. Trying to lose that last 3% of bodyfat to hit the magical 15% or less bf so I can try my first cycle. Of course now that we are moving I won't be able to cycle until early 2014 at best. Such is life...

As for how much protein per meal I have seen all kinds of numbers along with the research which proves their study as "correct". It does get kind of confusing when everyone is right. I guess all you can really do is see how your body responds to different diets. I've also read any additional protein your body can't utilize is simply excreted and not stored as body fat. Anyone know how true this is?

I've heard or read the same thing...extra protein is excreted and not stored as bf. Can anyone else elaborate?

[-KJ-]

hey mate..

Heres an article written by layne norton!
May interest you. Its is protein, how much and how often. I have the article on my laptop but here is a link.

Layne Norton PhD on protein: how much and how often? - SpotMeBro.com

[Cuz]

I've been counting protein from all sources. Honestly even 1 gram per LBM is good. Anytime I hit the 275gram + diets my BUN/Creatinine ratios get out of whack.

Austin, curious what IS your BUN/Creatnine ratios?, I probably hit the 250g protein mark on the daily. Mine got high and I got scared so I cut it back, was like 1.5/ gfr was 55.6. Dr. was having me do pee tests and all kinds of bloodwork because of my kidney function. I cant remember exactly what my bUN was. but I could find it if you needed it. So this suggests why? To much protein intake. I was always in fear of loosing LBM???

My carbs are prob excess of 400 easy, it is so easy to eat too many of them. Didn't know carbs effected BUN.

[austinite]

Austin, curious what IS your BUN/Creatnine ratios?, I probably hit the 250g protein mark on the daily. Mine got high and I got scared so I cut it back, was like 1.5/ gfr was 55.6. Dr. was having me do pee tests and all kinds of bloodwork because of my kidney function. I cant remember exactly what my bUN was. but I could find it if you needed it. So this suggests why? To much protein intake. I was always in fear of loosing LBM???

My carbs are prob excess of 400 easy, it is so easy to eat too many of them. Didn't know carbs effected BUN.

right now it's 14.5, range is <25

BUN is 16 mg/dl - range is 7-18
Creatinine is 1.1 mg/dl - range is 0.6-1.3

This is as of Last friday.

[Indymuscleguy]

This was a VERY GOOD read! Now...to really challenge all of you in here, and after you have read this article, I have absorption issues due to short-bowel syndrome. I had UC for 5 years and then had to have my ENTIRE colon removed and a new, 'internal pouch' or "J-Pouch" created out of my small intestine. I have to supplement with prescription Iron and 50K iu of Vitamin D twice a week. (And yes I said 50K IU twice a week). My thyroid spun out of control and I am prescribed 10mcg of Cytomel (T3) and 225mcg of Synthroid ED. This is all monitored through my endocrinologist. He also monitors my HRT program and prescribes 200mg of Cyp per week. He, however, does not understand the importance of HCG in men, but that's for another time.

Even though the inside of me sounds like a train wreck, I look much better than I ever have.

Now...back to the article...I didn't understand the relationship of how protein was truly absorbed but feel like I understand it better now. It seems in my particular and unique situation, I am going to increase my protein intake when it comes to natural foods, but concentrating on fish as it seems to be what my body likes and I look leaner than ever.

hey mate..

Heres an article written by layne norton!
May interest you. Its is protein, how much and how often. I have the article on my laptop but here is a link.

Layne Norton PhD on protein: how much and how often? - SpotMeBro.com

[austinite]

This was a VERY GOOD read! Now...to really challenge all of you in here, and after you have read this article, I have absorption issues due to short-bowel syndrome. I had UC for 5 years and then had to have my ENTIRE colon removed and a new, 'internal pouch' or "J-Pouch" created out of my small intestine. I have to supplement with prescription Iron and 50K iu of Vitamin D twice a week. (And yes I said 50K IU twice a week). My thyroid spun out of control and I am prescribed 10mcg of Cytomel (T3) and 225mcg of Synthroid ED. This is all monitored through my endocrinologist. He also monitors my HRT program and prescribes 200mg of Cyp per week. He, however, does not understand the importance of HCG in men, but that's for another time.

Even though the inside of me sounds like a train wreck, I look much better than I ever have.

Now...back to the article...I didn't understand the relationship of how protein was truly absorbed but feel like I understand it better now. It seems in my particular and unique situation, I am going to increase my protein intake when it comes to natural foods, but concentrating on fish as it seems to be what my body likes and I look leaner than ever.

50k iu vitamin D2 or D3? Drisdol (D2) is pretty common, some docs experiment with D3.

[Indymuscleguy]

50k iu vitamin D2 or D3? Drisdol (D2) is pretty common, some docs experiment with D3.

Without the bottle in front of me, I'm 95% sure it's D3. It's a dark green capsule.

[austinite]

Without the bottle in front of me, I'm 95% sure it's D3. It's a dark green capsule.

Yeah that's what my D2 was, green gel.

Anyway, what were your levels that the doc prescribed this? And how much iron are you taking?

[Indymuscleguy]

My last values were:

Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy 75 (Ref Range 30-100 NG/dL)
Iron Total 40
DHEA 30 (Low) Ref Range 61
Free T4 1.4
TSH 0.35
Pregnenolone <0.3 (Low) Ref Range 13-208
Prolactin 9.9
Estradiol 43.8 (high) Ref Range 0.1 - 39.8 PG/ML
Total Test 190 (Low) Ref Range 241-827 NG/DL

My Iron dose is 325mg BID I believe...(I'm at work at the moment...need to look at the bottle)

[austinite]

^ Wow. Lucky you! I've been on 50k twice a week and 5k daily for a year and barely got to 40! I'm due for a test soon, experimenting with 300,000 iu right now.

[Cuz]

right now it's 14.5, range is <25

BUN is 16 mg/dl - range is 7-18
Creatinine is 1.1 mg/dl - range is 0.6-1.3

This is as of Last friday.

As of today.
My creatinine this time was 1.4,
BUN was 17 mg/dl high range of normal. told me equal to that of someone in there 60's wtf?

Weigh in today was 205.2, and BP was 124/84

previous weight of 213.6 creatnine was 1.5 3 weeks ago. Blood pressure 147/90

previous weight of 217.6 creatnine was 1.6 6 weeks ago. Blood pressure 155/95


As I drop weight, my creatinine levels are getting closer to normal AND my blood pressure levels are returning to normal. I snapped a few pics in the mirror and I cant tell any difference in size of me at 205 or 220, only 2 loops in my belt buckle. I have been eating a lot cleaner the past 4 weeks, I think it may have something to do with it. I have absolutely lost no strength whatsoever in the gym except on the deadlift, I cant figure that one out.

Would you have any suggestions on what I need to do or keep doing? I'll add that I dropped creatine altogether except I picked it back up a week ago on training days. my docs say to not take any creatine and check me back in 3 months from today. whats your thoughts man?

[austinite]

As of today.
My creatinine this time was 1.4,
BUN was 17 mg/dl high range of normal. told me equal to that of someone in there 60's wtf?

Weigh in today was 205.2, and BP was 124/84

previous weight of 213.6 creatnine was 1.5 3 weeks ago. Blood pressure 147/90

previous weight of 217.6 creatnine was 1.6 6 weeks ago. Blood pressure 155/95


As I drop weight, my creatinine levels are getting closer to normal AND my blood pressure levels are returning to normal. I snapped a few pics in the mirror and I cant tell any difference in size of me at 205 or 220, only 2 loops in my belt buckle. I have been eating a lot cleaner the past 4 weeks, I think it may have something to do with it. I have absolutely lost no strength whatsoever in the gym except on the deadlift, I cant figure that one out.

Would you have any suggestions on what I need to do or keep doing? I'll add that I dropped creatine altogether except I picked it back up a week ago on training days. my docs say to not take any creatine and check me back in 3 months from today. whats your thoughts man?

Your levels are not alarming. Your ratio is fine too, 12.1.

Creatinine being over though could be a sign of early stages of an infection or a blood flow issue with the kidneys.

[Cuz]

Your levels are not alarming. Your ratio is fine too, 12.1.

Creatinine being over though could be a sign of early stages of an infection or a blood flow issue with the kidneys.

thanks for your input man. Im going to start eating a more equally base protein intake myself instead of one meal 50gs, next meal 20. I think you got it right at 20-35 per meal. More consistent the better.

[Hulking2016]

Group,

Stats:

47yo
5' 10" 180lbs
Current bodyfat: 12% (Down from 19.2% 2/13)

I know I've asked this question, (well, kind of hijacked another thread a few months ago) but was doing some research and found confusing information...

I, personally, try to consume 25-35 grams of protein per meal each day. Being 180lbs currently, that equates to 1.2g per lb of current bodyweight. I try to get in more when I can. I have read and have been told that your body can handle up to 50 grams of protien per meal. *(edit: I will consume 50g of whey protein DURING my workout in the gym)

I was looking at the meal plan for the P90X program and they have listed the macros for each suggested meal. Some of the macros had protein amounts per serving up to 95 grams per meal. I have never followed thier diet nor program but it seems pretty solid for dropping bodyfat and adding lean body mass (if you use weights and not the bands)

So lets start a discussion about this. Am I correct that you could consume a maximum of 50 grams of protein per serving or can your body digest and utilize more

The people from p90x have meals with 95 grams of protein? Lol you will shit out like 60 grams of that

[-KJ-]

The people from p90x have meals with 95 grams of protein? Lol you will shit out like 60 grams of that

Why would you lose 60g of that? I think that is a little broscience.. Look at IF diets, some guys do that over 3 meals. if there intake is 300g protein daily you do the math!